Ferrari rules! Porsche = sux0r!
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OOHHH, OOHHHH, A FIGHT, A FIGHT!!:eek:


































j/k:D

Yay for Ferrari!!!

You should re post that in the Porsche forum. :D:D

WHAT ARE YOU TALKIN ABOUT!!!


PORSCHE is awesome!!!!


but.. ferrari is better :;



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I couldn't agree with you more. Boring styling, boring styling, boring styling.

The 911 Turbo may be 3mph faster than a 360, but it sure is UGLY, with almost 50 years old styling, the 911 is annoying now. Variety is the spice of life. I like my Ferrari's spicy, and red hot!:)

Well, just because styling has been around 50+ years doesn't mean it's ugly. I mean, a 250 GTO Is still gorgeous.

Of course, the original 911 (and 356) were ugly, and still are:D

I meant the styling of the 911 is basically unchanged, and it sucks. It's getting annoying.

You guys are mostly right, but if Porsche changed it's styling, it wouldn't be a Porsche now would it?

I think Porsche is running on their last body possibilities for the 911.

What's next Porsche?
You'd better call the number on the back of your car (911) or get Ferrari or Pinafarina to design you some new shapes!;)

....or Bertone or Stevens... or the blind armless retard who designed the Aztek, for that matter. Okay, maybe that's going a little too far. But seriously, their styling is so damn bland.

I do like the styling of some of the 80's Porsche 911's, like the 930 and the slantnose. I also liked the whale tail.

I actually like the way the new 996's look. Especially the drop tops.

I HATE the 911 cabrios.. those are UGLY


but I do think the 911 GT2 is very beautiful... not at all bland but a nice 'pocket rocket'...

but when you want a little more than a pocket, look @ Ferrari

Ah crap, looks like I'm outnumbered. Porsche is still great though. I admit that the 911 is getting old but it's called "Tradition". And as what's next for Porsche....:( the Cayenne :( Oh well, The Boxster still has hope.... Right....?

Well, maybe. It's the only porsche model car I have. I think they look really good. Sure, they aren't a blazing little roadster, but they're pretty quick and look pretty good (in their subtlety). But, seriously. Despite their performance, they just look like a beetle. Seriously. And, when you think about it....
Beetle-->356-->early 911------->996 911's
And, on top of that, I really just don't find 928's, 914's, 924's, very attractive at all...944's aren't too bad.

I think Porsche should introduce something new...that's not an SUV. The Carrerra GT is a step in the right direction. It's got good looks (not quite pininfarina, but good:D), but it's just too damn unattainable. They need something a little flashier, maybe between the price range of the 911 and boxter. Something mid-engined, 2-seater, coupe/targa, and with some style...not just a bubble.

Originally posted by enzo@af
Well, maybe. It's the only porsche model car I have. I think they look really good. Sure, they aren't a blazing little roadster, but they're pretty quick and look pretty good (in their subtlety). But, seriously. Despite their performance, they just look like a beetle. Seriously. And, when you think about it....
Beetle-->356-->early 911------->996 911's
And, on top of that, I really just don't find 928's, 914's, 924's, very attractive at all...944's aren't too bad.

I think Porsche should introduce something new...that's not an SUV. The Carrerra GT is a step in the right direction. It's got good looks (not quite pininfarina, but good:D), but it's just too damn unattainable. They need something a little flashier, maybe between the price range of the 911 and boxter. Something mid-engined, 2-seater, coupe/targa, and with some style...not just a bubble.

Enzo that's why they have a Boxster S in the middle of those. lol

That's a good point, but they could have just one "model"...a boxster, boxster J, boxster Q, Boxster RSTLNE for all I care, and it would still be one model, you know? I just think they need to break from the traditional styling they have and produce something (while still distinctly porsche) that looks different, and thus good (good BECAUSE it's not the same thing, over and over and over and over). I mean, look at Ferrari. You can always tell something is Ferrari, but the 360, 550, and F50 don't look alike. The 360 and the 348 look similar, but not quite as similar as a 993 and 996 (or a 356 996, for that matter). Do you see my point? Basically, tradition is important, but too much is a bad thing.

*Disclaimer* I think this doesn't quite say exactly what I want, so take it with a grain of salt...or several grains...maybe even a tablespoon of rock salt.

Originally posted by enzo@af
That's a good point, but they could have just one "model"...a boxster, boxster J, boxster Q, Boxster RSTLNE for all I care, and it would still be one model, you know? I just think they need to break from the traditional styling they have and produce something (while still distinctly porsche) that looks different, and thus good (good BECAUSE it's not the same thing, over and over and over and over). I mean, look at Ferrari. You can always tell something is Ferrari, but the 360, 550, and F50 don't look alike. The 360 and the 348 look similar, but not quite as similar as a 993 and 996 (or a 356 996, for that matter). Do you see my point? Basically, tradition is important, but too much is a bad thing.

*Disclaimer* I think this doesn't quite say exactly what I want, so take it with a grain of salt...or several grains...maybe even a tablespoon of rock salt.

Enzo you like ferrari as I don't and I really don't care about those death traps ;) What keeps Porsche going to the people who buy them the fan of Porsche most like the looks of it cause they selling near 50,000 cars a year. The looks of the Porsche is liked by the Porsche fans and owners. Ok now lets talk about the Great Fait company of ferrari I perfer the look of Porsches over Ferraris but that's in my eyes I can't see for you. If you like the looks of ferraris that's what you like so to a Porsche fan Porsches look like ferraris in your eyes. Read slowly and carefully a few times. I'm not trying to start a war on about what is better just stating a point. :)

I see your point, I just think that a lot of people find them drab because they all look so similar (traditional). I guess different strokes, for different folks, huh?

i like how they look..... and i'd consider buyin one if i had the cash.... but ferrari is still better, heheh

Hey Seb, when did you come back? I like your thinking Enzo, your talking about some thing like a revolutionary Porsche with a 3.0-3.4L Engine (The new 996 has a 3.6 so it doesn't conflict) and a should be traditional rear-engined 2+2 Coupe, Cabrio and turbo. I would want a Turbo cause some people would want a Turbo over a 911 but Some people might want a 911 and not the Model "X" Turb, Porsche is an Acquired taste. As for a name I'm lost maybe the Porsche 711 model No# 9901. Bear with me hear for a second, the 711 Would sound like a detuned or Smaller 911 but bigger than a Boxster the name is kinda gay though being related to 7 eleven Convience stores and the 9901 would be the model code like 964 and 951, I chose that because after the 996, 2000 sounds so, Honda. add another 9 and give it time. after another 50 years you might be seeing a 9996 the 100 year-old 911 model still selling in Hover-space car form. That's just my Opinion but you got a good Idea Enzo, I would have personally said a Entry level model priced at 25K US but that would make it seem like Porsche is Desperate, like Jaguar.I would mind seeing a future Porsche 9.11 the "Econo Porsche", Four door hatchbck with a 1.7L Flat 3.

Ferrari???!!!

Well, if you had the money I guess buying one is OK. But where do you drive it? It's such a specialty vehicle that no one does!!! The few that do you guys should talk to. They don't drive them daily as to keep them out of the shop. Too complicated and not made to be driven to work and the grocery store everyday.
Porsche is more of the everyday type driving vehicle. Priced lower and made for all kinds of weather.

I'd like a McLaren or Lambo also...but they would only sit in the garage! Give me a vehicle I can drive to work or across the country on vacation.

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Tony Montana buys that porsche you have, in Scarface :D i forget what it's called

Either a 928 GTS or S4.

I don't know what they drive but it is probably one of the later models. Mine is a second production year (1979)

well the movie was made in like 1983

im peeking cautiously in here.
if porsche sux, why are there so many on the road? b/c they can be driven in tons of driving conditions? vs the ferrari that only comes out on the nicest of nice days?
they are boring b/c you see them. ferraris are like vipers. if you dont see it, it always looks good if it is exotic.
i would also rather have a car that can be driven daily.
i guess that is why my friend sold his 94 ferrari targa for a turbo porsche... nice white one w/ the whale tail and some big chrome 18in 3 pc turbo wheels... and it is hella faster than a ferrari. and more comfy. and it wont cry if it sees the rain. and neither will the owner. you can own both. one to look at (starts w/ an f)and one to thrash on and drive all the time b/c you can (p car here...)

I'm going to try to tip-toe around this and not start a war myself.
MOST Porsche models can be driven year round in all kinds of weather. It's an exotic but a working type of automobile that is made to be driven to the store for groceries or on the autobahn at 160 KPH.
Ferrari made several automobile models that could take the daily driving with only regular maintainance. But many vehicles produced were made to just go fast. That kind of vehicle needs constant maintainance that most people don't provide.

Personally, I love most vehicles that Europe puts out. I've had the privilege and pleasure to get behind the wheel of many machines. But, like everyone else, I have my favorites and non-favorites. Since I live in the middle of the U.S. I need a vehicle that can be driven in 96 degree summer heat or -15 below zero winters. Porsches have been my choice from my mechanical experiences.

But I would love to have a Lamborgini, Ferrari or Lotus in my garage. I'm leaving out some vintage speed demons like a Cobra 289 FIA or McLaren but where to drive them? My dream car would be a Ford/Shelby Daytona coupe...but it's a dream. The closest I've gotten to having one is 1/20 scale on my desk. I like the body lines. Nothing wrong with Ferrari, but I prefer the pre-80's vehicles. The smooth lines really say something about the cars. Some of this new stuff (last 10 years) is looking like everyone else's stuff.
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Originally posted by tanjwarrior
or on the autobahn at 160 KPH.


or 160mph :D

LOL,

"I'll just go get some Milk from the corner store, be back in 5 min!"
"But's it's 20 Miles away!"
"In my car it's more like 5"

who goes 20 miles for milk?! :D

there's a plaza like every couple blocks on any street that doesn't have houses on it, hehe

anyone handicapping the odds on them making this?

Originally posted by jay@af
anyone handicapping the odds on them making this?

i am.... i'm like 50/50, half of me thinks they're goin to make it and half of me doesn't think so

i dunno...
they have ALOT of deposits, and not small ones from the US alone. there are people that went to dealers and put 50k down on one, and even if they only made a coupla hundred, there are about that many serious inquiries from what i have read...
i think it is a great possibility...
they built the turbo, and came out with a better version...
hell, subaru gave us a wrx, and mitsu will have an evo for us soon, so anything is possible...
but i definitely see it coming out...

Easy Porsche,
I'll back you up! Especially since I'm a multiple Porsche car owner. I've just been sitting back reading all the SPAM being spouted.

I got to drive a Lambo this summer from an old aquantaince. It was fun, nice, the V12 really kicked some serious HP to the blacktop...but I don't think I'd want one in my driveway.

Just out of curiousity, what exotics has anyone driven to have such strong opinions?

1973 Porsche 914
1978 Porsche 924 (still race it)
1984 Porsche 944 (just sold it)
1979 Porsche 928 (a few car show trophies and my daily driver)

Below are cars I've had the chance to get behind the wheel....

?Year? Lambo Contouch (friends)

1973 Jaguar
1976 MGB
1981 Porsche 911SC
Lotus Esprite (spelling?)
Opel GT
Truimph TR7 (what a fit for my 6'3" frame)
Dodge Viper


I can tell you the good and bad points of each from my opinion and from the owners. I'm not listing Corvettes or a Replicar or two or even some of the Asian stuff.

I've driven lots of respectable cars, so i think i have a say, but i don't think i said anything bad about porsche did i? i don't remember anymore

but i've driven:

Dodge Viper
Lamborghini Diablo
couple Porsche 911 carreras
NSX
Ferrari 328 and 308 GTS
also a Ferrari 348

The Diablo was by far the favorite :)

most of these are just neighbours or friends of neighbours, or friends dad's or friends friends cars :D

No, no gang$tar...
I wasn't pointing a finger at you...just covering myself for anyone that's been flaming Porsches. Personally, I like alot of the exotics and would drive em. But, from the practical side, there's only a few that I would consider keeping to drive everyday.

I get in such a hurry typing, the beginning of my last post was supposed to be:
Easy on Porsche!

Damn! got to go...the guy is here to cut down my tree in the front yard...darn tree couldn't take the high winds I've had in my area for the last two days.

lol, it's been really windy here too, the past 2 days

I agree about that porsche is alot more reliable than Ferrari for example...
you could drive a porsche everyday, no problem

plus it won't cost approx. $6000 to replace a clutch, like on a Diablo :D

i'm not sure if that's the right number, but it's alot

Agreed!!!
Heck, it's around $1200 for a clutch in my 928 Porsche, but it's worth it!

Originally posted by tanjwarrior
Agreed!!!
Heck, it's around $1200 for a clutch in my 928 Porsche, but it's worth it!

if it's for your baby, any price is worth it :D

I think it's very harsh to say that "Porsche sucks".. this is the company that has the best racing record of all time. If that sucks, i dont know what you would have to say about other car companies, including a certain Scuderia Ferrari?
if you dont like Porsches, say so, but try to keep it a little intelligent and constructive. i'm sorry, but comments like that are just stupid.

In mine and many peoples' opinions porsche have made some exquisitely beautiful cars as well as some duffers. but then so have ferrari, look at the 400GT. The Testarossa has aged badly, and even the F50, 550 and 360 have all been called ugly by some Ferrari fanatics. That doesnt say much about their styling, does it. I think they look pretty good, but not as perfect as you would like to think.
Look at Porsche's recent GT concept. Now you cannot say that this car doesnt look anything other than amazing. so no thank you, I think porsche will continue to do their own designing for the future. and quite frankly, im glad. we wouldnt want all cars looking the same now, would we?

cheers
jay

Nowcrayzayjay wrote:
Look at Porsche's recent GT concept. Now you cannot say that this car doesnt look anything other than amazing. so no thank you, I think porsche will continue to do their own designing for the future. and quite frankly, im glad. we wouldnt want all cars looking the same now, would we?

Now that statement I can't argue with. I'm over 40, and the last 15 years has shown that cars are beginning to look alike. As a former mechanic, I could spot a car several blocks away and state the year, brand and model pretty acurately. Now, it's almost impossible except for certain models that still stand out from the rest. The rest, well, they are looking all the same.
But I agree that each company will hopelfully stand by their orginal designs and trademark car lines. Too bad many of the neat domestics now resemble each other. No more personality to many cars...

This is an issue that really worries me... Recent cars, especially the heavily produced ones are all begining to look the same.. Everything looks like a Eurobox, or a Japmobile, and quite frankly I dont like it one bit :( :( ... even some italian models no longer have the special "personality" that is such an essential ingredient in their recipe..
the 911 lost a lot of character during the transition from 993 to 996.. I almost cried when i saw spy shots of the 996, i prayed it was the usual camouflage to hide what the car would really look like.. although the look has grown on me, it still doesnt compare to the truly delightful 993.. the 996 Turbo looks so insipid compared to the 993 Turbo.
now THAT is one "horny" looking car!!

cheers
jay

Yeah,
I started saying the same thing about a decade ago or so. Today, they do look alike.
But the companies must make a profit and this is what the public likes and wants. The auto companies go to great pains to style and design cars that the masses find appealing. I wish I could get into one of those groups chosen to view a new car during styling tests. I miss some of the rough edges that defined that vehicle from the others.
If we think it's getting bad now, what another ten years. So far, the front and rear grilles, badges and logos are the only identifying markings for some.
But getting back on track for this forum of "Porsche Sucks", I will disagree with many. The Porsche company has provided aerodynamically superior vehicles since 1950. The rounded lines and flowing bodies are the companies trademark. Fast cars with workmanship second to none.
I'm not going to cut down Jags or Ferraris or any other car companies. Each company builds its line of autos to fit into a certain niche of the automotive world. What many fo the upper-echlon companies are building today are outstanding and laying the foundation for future generations. I won't argue that a Ferrari isn't faster than a Porsche. Who cares? I can't drive a Lambo or Ferrari in the Iowa winters! But any of my Porsches, I put snow tires on and off I go!
I definitely won't argue who has the best racecars out on the tracks. Each company fielding in whatever race has some outstanding machines! I'm impressed by the Ford Focus racing team in the FIA rallies. I wasn't paying attention to racing for ages, but I'm getting caught up and Ford has impressed me (I'm not a Ford fan from working on the domestic vehicles for people at a local car dealership). But each season the companies field cars that are untested and must work out the bugs. This work is put into the cars we drive today and tomorrow.
I applaude Porsche and all the other companies for their efforts. But for the everyday working mans driving exotic...give me a Porsche!
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It's a shame that the consumer now decides what a car looks like. All you get is a bland compromise. Whatever happened to bold car design?

I can't remember which one it was, but one of the very famous Italian car designers summed it up perfectly when he said " Who knows more about car design? Me, or the public?" :cool: I think we all know the answer to that one ;)

cheers
jay

Ferrari better then Porsche? Well, If you mean by better that they break down more are slower and do not preform as well sure they are better.

I don't see why you think Porsche sucks. There is a reason the 911 body hasn't changed much. It is so well designed it can last 35 years. Why else do they still sell them today? If nobody wanted them, they would retire it because nobody would buy it. The 911 body is the "design of the century" because it's lasting so long and still going. I can't see how you think any 911 is ugly. Slick, areodynamic looks, and practicle for everyday driving. The body is what gives Porsche outstanding handling. It gives the car high downforce without reducing speed (drag) so the car bites into the road and can take turns and speeds you can't with other cars. The 911 looks like its doing 100+ just standing still and definetly turns heads everywhere it runs. I'm 15 and restoring a 1969 911 Targa, which I love everything about it, and can honestly say there's nothing about the car I don't like.

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REPLY:

The other 80's Porsche bodies as you called "ugly" weren't designed by Porsche, they were designed by Audi. As for the Porsche designed 914, It's a beautiful car fully restored:
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If you ask me, looks like Ferrari stole that design and revised it. But for the best value for the buck, get a Porsche. Even the 80s ones. You would be surprised at the performance you would get from a 5,000 dollar porsche. The 914? Thats a mid engine car so just think about its cornering ability.
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Figures, the starter of this post, MBTM doesn't even have a car. How does MBTM know porsche sucks if he never drove a car?MBTM doesn't have a Ferrari, or a Porsche. I think MBTM should just just keep his mouth shut unless there's a small possibility MDTM has something constructive to say, or something that actually makes a LITTLE sence.

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Figures, the starter of this post, MBTM doesn't even have a car. How does MBTM know porsche sucks if he never drove a car?MBTM doesn't have a Ferrari, or a Porsche. I think MBTM should just just keep his mouth shut unless there's a small possibility MDTM has something constructive to say, or something that actually makes a LITTLE sence.

LOL:D
too true.... though u have to say its quite funny when someone is debating about an issue or subject he has no idea about!

cheers
jay

It just gets my goat reading some of the garbage that gets posted in these forums. I don't mind a good flaming match and getting chopped off at the knees. But it seems a good portion of those that say things like, "This sucks..." or "This car is the best ever made!" don't own a car or even drive yet! But they have plenty of models that they have built sitting in their room.
I wish more mechanics, car collectors and enthusiasts were here. Then getting first hand opinions would be welcome and counter some of the press written on cars from books and magazines. Just because a magazine tested a car that can do the 1/4 mile in 11 secs and tops out at 212 MPH, it isn't a great car! What's it like driving daily to and from work? When it rains buckets, how does it perform...even in the snow? After a year, what problems were there and was anything major?
(SIGH.....)
But alas...the armchair experts will dominate the Net...

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I kind of miss my 914....

It was a pain to get in and out of...I'm 6'3" tall. The 4-cyl wasn't exactly a power-house. But the car was fun at speeds above 90 MPH!

I still want to find a 914-6 and modify it for SCCA racing events and auto-crossing. They are beautiful beasts....

Sure Porsche sucks.

Sure Porsche sucks.

uh....sarcastic or stupid comment?

Unlike Ferrari Porsche is not showroom supercar - it could be driven for everyday practical use. Do you know Ferraris with >200K on odometer still alive? Porsche 911 engine was designed to be highly reliable and suitable for endurance racing. LeMans results proved it.

Originally posted by crayzayjay


uh....sarcastic or stupid comment?

I think Sarcastic as there is a post here about why no forum for the 917 which he calls "one of the best cars every produced".

I think Sarcastic as there is a post...

phew!

cheers
jay

It is meant as sarcastis.As an auto enthusiast(sp?),I am pissed that this comes up.I have driven a 928 GTS and was the best driving experience I ever had.This is a kind of debate I really hate because ther are no real winners.Both are awseome designs,both are immediatley(sp?) recognizable on the road.Has anyone here had the privelge of driving any of these cars?

Originally posted by Dillweed
You guys are mostly right, but if Porsche changed it's styling, it wouldn't be a Porsche now would it?

I think Porsche is running on their last body possibilities for the 911.

What's next Porsche?
You'd better call the number on the back of your car (911) or get Ferrari or Pinafarina to design you some new shapes!;)

yeah really I never thought of that. What it wil be next for the 911??? like in 2010? I can´t imagine, will they radically change their styling? I don´t think so.