anyone heard about this? I understand it's being held June 3-4. This year's USCC includes, from what i've heard:

-Supercharged/nitrous V6 MR2 (i've seen the dyno sans nitrous; 350hp and a SICK torque curve)
-R32 Skyline GTR
-Supra TT (green one upgraded from last year)
-Subaru 2.5 RS with current STi engine stroked to 2.6 liters
-Turbo charged, nitrous injected Geo Metro running on Motec
-Porsche 550 Spider with Suzuki Hayabusa engine
-Honda CRX w/ supercharged B series engine
-1994 RX-7
-Sparco EVO VIII
-Buschur Racing EVO VIII

Guess they're sick of Vipers owning the dyno. :owned:

I agree looks like they are!

WOO HOO! GO METRO! haha oh shit i bet that things a sleeeeeper...

Only a supercharged b-CRX? darn....must be a roadcourse car or something

they still do that *PUKE*
after the first they got dumb i mean so unfair crx vs EVO come on really
and the always throw in some sleeper first one was cool now its herra cheeze imo

maaah no sleeper will ever match that of the Twin Engine 600 horse methanol tiburon....0-60 in 3.33 and 10.8something in the 1/4....couldnt do shit on the roadcourse or anything, but had a MEAN burnout...I have its pic on my wall...i love sleepers

I call BS

Unless I missed it, they haven't even had the vote yet, so there's no way the cars could have been picked.

I call BS

Unless I missed it, they haven't even had the vote yet, so there's no way the cars could have been picked.

I agree, lol, cuz MY car's not on the list!

It'd be fun to watch that Metro go at it though... :yugosmili

I kinda agree with delaysion... although I haven't been keeping up with SCC.... I dont understand how a geo metro or a crx can end up in the final vote.

keep in mind that the viper, driven by paul mumford, isn't there for one reason.

pmum died in a plane crash...
for anyone that remembers, he started racing in the speed GT series, and took 3rd in his FIRST race...
and WON his second race.
amazing guy, really sad that he died...

info on pmum at www.nsxfiles.com

http://www.nsxfiles.com/mumford.htm

http://www.nsxfiles.com/mclaren.htm

there's info there about him, read the stuff in blue, it's hella funny...

for those of you who aren't clicking links, this is the info...
shows how amazing pmum was as a driver...


We went to Mumford's funeral service, buzzing up in the F-cars to the Victorville area. About 200+ people were there. The eulogies for Mumford were very touching, as racers, business partners, and employees told their stories about how Mumford played such a positive influence in their lives. One of the more touching stories was the guy that stood up and said at one time, he was a down-on-his-luck sales person until he met Mumford. The guy said his life was going downhill, he was bankrupt, his business failed, he sucked as a sales person, and then he met Mumford. Mumford was apparently hiring people for his insurance office, and took this guy under his wing, helped the guy, and he eventually became one of Paul's best sales people. Other people told stories about how when they were kids, Paul would do stuff like get sleeping bags and turn them into toys for racing, and they would put the sleeping bags at the top of the stairs, get in them, and race down the stairs, sliding down in the sleeping bags. Another person said that Paul was at a business meeting in Hawaii, and when he heard that there was a big slide contest, he practiced for hours on the hotel slide, complete with someone timing how long it took him to traverse the slide, so he could maximize his "line" through the slide. And yes, he won the event!

After the burial, Wayne and I were among the last people to leave, as it takes about 10 minutes to take the top off the F355 and put it back behind the seats, and for me to change into my short pants and tank top. Mumford is buried closed to a big tree, and Wayne pulls up and stops in the street parallel to Mumford's grave, and signals me to wait. What the hell? I then hear Wayne rev the 360 Modena to 8000 RPMs, and he dumps the clutch, leaving a 50 foot long burn out. Wayne calls me on the two-way radio, and says, "Paul would have liked that!".

Brett and BP stopped by the house after the funeral, and Brett had one of the best racing stories that I heard about Mumford. It had to do with the Sport Compact Car Ultimate Street Car Challenge. It goes like this:

Last year, one of the Brembo guys was telling me that the editors of Sport Compact Car were looking for entries for the Ultimate Street Car Challenge. For those of you who do not read the magazine, it is geared more toward high performance import cars that go in a straight line. Anyways, the Brembo guy heard about the event from people at the magazine, and they mentioned they got a Viper driver entered to mix it up with the import guys. The Brembo guy asked, "Oh yeah, who did you get?". When the magazine guy replied, "Some guy named Mumford", the Brembo guy started cracking up laughing, implying, "You morons, if you want an "import car" to win your "import" event, you can't let MUMFORD enter in the event! He's gonna whup on everyone!". Anyways, we thought that would be the end of that, and they would boot Mumford out of the event, but apparently they are pretty sporting over there at Sport Compact Car, and decided to let Mumford run his Viper ACR street car that he has been whupping ass with on the race track. I guess maybe they thought it was a "dinosaur" car with a old-style, non-VTEC pushrod engine.

Sport Compact Car Magazine had a bunch of different categories to score the cars on, (some of them dopey) like price, skid pad, braking, burnouts, quarter mile, how comfortable the car is, and the all important lap time. For laptime, they used a variation of the "short course" at California Speedway, meaning no high banked turns, they just used the infield section.

So Mumford's phone conversation with his friend Brett went something like this right after the California Speedway track event:

Brett: How’s it going so far?

PMUM: It’s hot as hell and everybody is taking a break after one hot lap.

Brett: That sucks. How did you do?

PMUM: Well, before anybody went out for a run this guy that is driving the Skyline comes over for a little chat about the Viper. He tells me he’s an IMSA driver, or used to be, and they hired him to drive the car. I told him “that doesn’t seem fair”. He said, “you could have hired me to drive your car”. I told him “nah, I’ve done a couple weekend events, lucked out and won a trophy or two and just like to drive my own car”. He said, “Well, good luck” and walked away.

Brett: (laughing) I know where this is going.

PMUM: Oh yeah, game on! So the Supra and this IMSA guy in the Skyline are going at it pretty hard. They keep exchanging fastest lap times until the Skyline comes in with a time that’s about a tenth of a second faster than the Supra at about a 1:22 flat or just a shade under, AND it was his last run. I swear Brett, it looked like they had just won the Indianapolis 500. They were high-fivin’, jumping all around…now keep in mind, I haven’t even put a wheel on the track yet.

Brett: This is getting better by the minute, so what did you lay on them?

PMUM: Well if that guy put down a lap time really close to 1:22 flat, like 1:21.9 what do I need to run to make a point? So everybody says, “OK, that guy really gave us a beat down”.

Brett: Uh.....well if the Skyline guy laid down a smidge under 1:22, I would say a good “Mumford beat down" would be about a 1:19.5. That’s usually what you do to the next fastest guy, 2 to 2.5 seconds. That would be the “end of story, thanks for playing.”

PMUM: Ya’ know, that’s exactly the number I had in mind. A high 1:19 would pretty much let them know who’s boss.

Brett: OK Mumford, what did you lay on them?

PMUM: Try a 1:16 flat on for size.

Brett: You ran a 1:16 flat? Holy shit! That’s fucking hilarious! What was the mood in the Indy pit after that?

PMUM: OH, I’m not done…it gets better. I finish my ONE lap and I’m living the RV lifestyle, because it’s so damn hot outside, and I hear a knock on the door. One of the USCC guys tells me that they think they have a timing issue.

Brett: What? That’s jacked up!

PMUM: You’ll like this. I asked him, “what was my lap time?” He told me they had two watches on me at a 1:16. I told “them that sounds about right”, knowing that is exactly what I ran. He said, “Paul, that’s over 5 seconds faster than the second place guy, and he’s no slouch.”

Brett: He is now…

PMUM: Yeah right, but apparently they needed more than one lap and two watches. So I said to the guy, “do you want me to go back out there and do it again, despite the fact that it’s now 110 out there instead of 100?” He told me that I didn’t have to if I didn’t want to because it was so hot, and he didn’t want me to have to beat-up my car any more. I told him, “No. I get the feeling you want me to run again”. So I did. I told them to get the stop watches ready, and by this time everybody that owns a watch is waiting for me to run again.

Brett: (laughing) OK, I’m sitting down now.

PMUM: I laid the wood them with a little 1:15.6. Thank you very much.

Brett: That a boy! The import world knows who you are now, huh? Was that all the car had?

PMUM: Oh yeah, I could have run the rest of the day and probably not squeezed any more out of it, BUT as I pulled into the pit I told them I wanted to go once more because I thought I had another half second in there somewhere. They said, “that’s enough Mumford….park your car….it’s over”

Now THAT is a classic story, and just another reason why Mumford is our hero. He did a little sandbagging up front, and then ends up hitting them with a stick so hard and so big that they don't know what the hell happened to them!

-Turbo charged, nitrous injected Geo Metro running on Motec- :eek7: THIS I have to see, lol!

I knew about Mumford's death. He was also a winning Speed World Challenge driver, having given the new Viper Competition Coupe its first victory in the GT division the year of his death.

And in his rookie year, no less.

However, there was another Viper the year after that smacked around the imports with big inches and supercharging. According to the issue which is in my lap right now, it laid down an 842.4hp dyno run. The second place Supra made only 671hp.

Again, SCC wouldn't want Vipers ruling the dyno three years in a row.

not just rookie year...
second race!!!!!
amazing man, missed...

i doubt this list, having never seen the voting info...
i think it's sketchy...

maaah no sleeper will ever match that of the Twin Engine 600 horse methanol tiburon....0-60 in 3.33 and 10.8something in the 1/4....couldnt do shit on the roadcourse or anything, but had a MEAN burnout...I have its pic on my wall...i love sleepers

it is June 3 and 4 and i know for a fact the mr2 is entered because he is on the MR2 board and getting ready. You might have missed the voting. MR2 is gonna own the competition if he can keep the car together. :)

i get every issue of scc at least 3 weeks before everyone else (perks of the job)...
i never saw anything for voting?

weird.

i get every issue of scc at least 3 weeks before everyone else (perks of the job)...
i never saw anything for voting?

weird.

I have every issue for the past 3-4 years. I've only missed one, I think it was the last December issue. Unless that was the one, they haven't done voting yet. Maybe this is something else they're doing people are confusing with USCC

A guy from here I've shown in a few shows with who has a 350Z is gonna be in an upcoming issue where they do turbo vs SC s N/A 350Z's, he's gonna be the N/A :biggrin:

i get every issue of scc at least 3 weeks before everyone else (perks of the job)...
i never saw anything for voting?

weird.


Great story about Mumford. I was one of those kids who didn't know who he really was before his feat in the USCC. Most definintely seems like a cool guy though.


Off topic, but what do you do?

I'm surprised none of Mr. Callaway, Mr. Guldstrand, or the late Mr. Lingenfelter's customers have attempted to compete in the USCC with their Corvettes.

Seriously, think about the damage you could do with a Lingenfelter ZR-1 or a Callaway Supernatural.

Hell, there's a legion of tuned Porsche 911's and Mercedes-Benz SL500's that could stomp on Supras and 350Z's. Companies like Renntech and Autothority make wonderfully powerful, amazingly reliable, and incredibly comfortable tuned sports cars. Through my cousin, I know a guy with a RUF Yellow Bird. Friggin' psychosis on wheels.

I'm pretty sure one has tried to get in, but isnt it the people who are voting for the cars? If so, then I doubt the SCC crowd would vote one of em in...of course there has been damned vipers and ferraris so i cant say anythign. And yeah a Lingenfelter could tear up teh whole field...seeign how teh fastest quarter ever in the USCC was what? 10 something?

yeah, the scc crowd is who picks the cars...
renntech, callaway, lingenfelter, autothority, mallett, hennessy...
those guys all compete in the supercar challenge in motor trend (or c&d, don't remember)...

so if they don't get voted in...

fatninja...
on your aside, i work at www.stylinconcepts.com, doing tech advising (anything that comes in off the website) and image work for all of our products, as well as some ad work...
so i'm online all day, have every magazine known to the tuning world in front of me, and alot of time to read up... alot. ;)

fatninja...
on your aside, i work at www.stylinconcepts.com, doing tech advising (anything that comes in off the website) and image work for all of our products, as well as some ad work...
so i'm online all day, have every magazine known to the tuning world in front of me, and alot of time to read up... alot. ;)

Dayam!! That is one sweet ass job!!! And you know Ryan Dunn! WHOOOO!!!!!! Jawesome.

perks of the trade, i guess... what can i say...

Just chipping in... I've seen pieces of the car list before, except I know that there's also a turbocharged Miata in on the competition, unless something's really changed in the last week or so.

just an fyi. the USCC was held last week (june 3-4, i believe) and the unofficial word is that the V6 supercharged MR2 won big.

from the mr2 forums:

"Base Price: 2nd
Show: 2nd
Peak HP: 4th
Under the curve HP: 2nd
Granny: 4rd
Driveability 3rd
Guru 4th
Emissions: 5th
Fuel Economy 1st
Drag Race: 4th
20-100: 1st
Braking test: 99.29’ 1st place J
Skidpad: 3rd place tie
Gross display of HP, 1st place tie:
Road track: Not sure, I didn’t’ ask. I putted around the course with the AC on and just went for a nice leisurely drive J

I’ll quote Josh (SCC guy in charge of organizing this). I quote Josh: “Just so you guys know, you got your asses kicked by a home built 13 year old car. Brad could have gone home and not finished after LACR and still won the contest.” "

his sick dyno:
http://bedellracing.home.comcast.net/uscc/dyno.jpg

the burnout:
http://bedellracing.home.comcast.net/uscc/burn.jpg

the winner:
http://bedellracing.home.comcast.net/uscc/side1.jpg

Mr2 owned the competition. :D oh yea.

I'm pretty sure one has tried to get in, but isnt it the people who are voting for the cars? If so, then I doubt the SCC crowd would vote one of em in...of course there has been damned vipers and ferraris so i cant say anythign. And yeah a Lingenfelter could tear up teh whole field...seeign how teh fastest quarter ever in the USCC was what? 10 something?

Not sure if a Lingenfelter would be able to run faster, not saying it's not capable, but for some reason the cars that participate in USCC seem to run very slow times? I remember the 600WHP+ that ran a 12.6, like WTF. Infact it's starting to seem that all the modified cars tested in the Sport Compact Car Magazine run some seriously slow times.

keep in mind, they are all piloted by their owners, who, while they may be good, arent always the best drivers.

also, SCC, if i remember correctly, tries not to use correction factors in their times, which would result in lower printed times

just an fyi. the USCC was held last week (june 3-4, i believe) and the unofficial word is that the V6 supercharged MR2 won big.

from the mr2 forums:

"Base Price: 2nd
Show: 2nd
Peak HP: 4th
Under the curve HP: 2nd
Granny: 4rd
Driveability 3rd
Guru 4th
Emissions: 5th
Fuel Economy 1st
Drag Race: 4th
20-100: 1st
Braking test: 99.29’ 1st place J
Skidpad: 3rd place tie
Gross display of HP, 1st place tie:
Road track: Not sure, I didn’t’ ask. I putted around the course with the AC on and just went for a nice leisurely drive J

I’ll quote Josh (SCC guy in charge of organizing this). I quote Josh: “Just so you guys know, you got your asses kicked by a home built 13 year old car. Brad could have gone home and not finished after LACR and still won the contest.” "

his sick dyno:
http://bedellracing.home.comcast.net/uscc/dyno.jpg

the burnout:
http://bedellracing.home.comcast.net/uscc/burn.jpg

the winner:
http://bedellracing.home.comcast.net/uscc/side1.jpg

I'm sorry, but I'm with everyone else, how can they hold the USCC with out the voting, I've voted for the 2002 and 2003, how come they haven't had anything for the 2004 as far as a voting system? Even after the voting, they give detail despriptions of the cars that made the cut. There are many cars that I know wanted to participate in this USCC and they have yet to mention anything about it. Infact Sport Compact Car hasn't mentioned anything either? So please where are you getting your info from and are you sure it is correct? Don't just say yes it is correct and give no information on how you attained such information, cuz then I'm calling B.S. all the way. Also if the information your saying it is correct (which I very highly doubt) then it would mean that SCC has been fooling us all along, but like I said, I think you got your facts wrong or your just a liar.

keep in mind, they are all piloted by their owners, who, while they may be good, arent always the best drivers.

also, SCC, if i remember correctly, tries not to use correction factors in their times, which would result in lower printed times

WRONG.
they *can* use a professional shoe for their driving, or they can do it themselves, or have an SCC staffer (like dave coleman) do it...

-Turbo charged, nitrous injected Geo Metro running on Motec- :eek7: THIS I have to see, lol!


ya :ylsuper:

just an fyi. the USCC was held last week (june 3-4, i believe) and the unofficial word is that the V6 supercharged MR2 won big.

from the mr2 forums:

"Base Price: 2nd
Show: 2nd
Peak HP: 4th
Under the curve HP: 2nd
Granny: 4rd
Driveability 3rd
Guru 4th
Emissions: 5th
Fuel Economy 1st
Drag Race: 4th
20-100: 1st
Braking test: 99.29’ 1st place J
Skidpad: 3rd place tie
Gross display of HP, 1st place tie:
Road track: Not sure, I didn’t’ ask. I putted around the course with the AC on and just went for a nice leisurely drive J

I’ll quote Josh (SCC guy in charge of organizing this). I quote Josh: “Just so you guys know, you got your asses kicked by a home built 13 year old car. Brad could have gone home and not finished after LACR and still won the contest.” "

his sick dyno:
http://bedellracing.home.comcast.net/uscc/dyno.jpg

the burnout:
http://bedellracing.home.comcast.net/uscc/burn.jpg

the winner:
http://bedellracing.home.comcast.net/uscc/side1.jpg


amazing :D yay for mr2s!!!

I'm sorry, but I'm with everyone else, how can they hold the USCC with out the voting, I've voted for the 2002 and 2003, how come they haven't had anything for the 2004 as far as a voting system? Even after the voting, they give detail despriptions of the cars that made the cut. There are many cars that I know wanted to participate in this USCC and they have yet to mention anything about it. Infact Sport Compact Car hasn't mentioned anything either? So please where are you getting your info from and are you sure it is correct? Don't just say yes it is correct and give no information on how you attained such information, cuz then I'm calling B.S. all the way. Also if the information your saying it is correct (which I very highly doubt) then it would mean that SCC has been fooling us all along, but like I said, I think you got your facts wrong or your just a liar.

Me and him heard it straight from the guy that won the competition. If you do not believe us go to www.mr2oc.com and check it out. From what i am told they did not have a vote this year. The editors picked the cars. And the guy that won would not bullshit about this.

The bad 1/4 times seem to stem from the track just sucking, from what everybody's saying... LACR? It was over 100 degrees on an already iffy track, so... what traction? heh. The dyno seems to be stingy, too. A lot of the cars have put down lower numbers during the competition, haven't they?

Kinda funny. Reading about it, it sounds like the Miata out-trapped all the other cars in the quarter. Some of the forums are giving that guy major props for what he accomplished, considering his lack of resources beforehand and that it is a dedicated drag car. Lighting up the tires in 4th gear on a straight sounds kinda like fun...

The bad 1/4 times seem to stem from the track just sucking, from what everybody's saying... LACR? It was over 100 degrees on an already iffy track, so... what traction? heh. The dyno seems to be stingy, too. A lot of the cars have put down lower numbers during the competition, haven't they?

Kinda funny. Reading about it, it sounds like the Miata out-trapped all the other cars in the quarter. Some of the forums are giving that guy major props for what he accomplished, considering his lack of resources beforehand and that it is a dedicated drag car. Lighting up the tires in 4th gear on a straight sounds kinda like fun...

Ok this is just a question, and say it did already go down, but where did you read about it, how come SCC has said anything about it, do you know what issue it will be in? I know you probably don't work for SCC but do you know where you got your information, because I would be interested in ready it myself? Do you know how the EVOs did?

1. this year, the editors voted on the cars

2. the results are fact. check out www.mr2oc.com and www.supraforums.com and www.rx7club.com and www.dallasimports.com if you don't believe me. it's all over the message boards. just because you didn't know about it does not make someone else (eg, me) a liar.

3. according to brad bedell (the winner), the track had a lot of sand/dust on it, which resulted in poor traction across the board, and they measured the times using a radar, which has a margin of error. the times, according to everyone that competed, were probably slightly faster than the "official" results, but the error should have been consistent across the board.