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05-05-2004, 02:20 PM
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Welcome to the official thread for drifting!
Well you came to the right place for Radio Control Drifting.
Let’s start off with what is drifting. Well, the simple explanation would be losing traction on the rear tires, then pitching the car sideways around a turn and maintaining control of the car around the corner. But it is much more complicated than that.
Why might you ask that we drift? Well drifting is considered a huge sport in Japan and is now moving around the world to become a world class motor sport. It doesn't just look cool its even more fun doing it! Considering most of can't get our hands onto a real drifter. We are going to be drifting with 1:10 scale RC's. So take a look though here and if you’re new to the world of R/C cars, there are many to chose from. You have the electric cars, the mini cars, and then the nitro cars. Pick which one that is within your budget and start drifting. All cars here are 4WD. hopefully you can decide which one will be great for you. Also take the time to look at all the information in here. It can save you a lot of trouble of asking a question or two.
Cars you should use.
Most important thing to know is that you will need a 4WD car. Not a 2WD car. Why might you ask that I said 4WD, because it allows you to have great control of your car to start the drift and in mid to end drift. So the long list of car’s and parts and other things that you might need are in here. So take a look. And if you have any other questions be sure to ask them.
Tamyia:
The Tamiya TL-01 is a shaft driven car just like the newer TT-01. Both cars are cheap in price wise and are perfect for a new person to R/c’s in general. Also Tamiya makes some of the best high quality R/C touring cars on the market. These include the TRF series of cars.
AMG Mercedes CLK-DTM 2002 TL-01 Kit $105
350Z TT-01 $119
TL-01's and parts. Tl-01's are kits only.
Tamiya TRF415 Chassis $460
Evo IV
Tamiya Calsonic Z500 RTR (TT-02 Chassis) $225
Tamiya Xanavi Nismo Z $130
Tamiya TB Evolution IV Kit $540
Team Associated:
Team Associated makes the car called the TC3. It is a shaft driven car that has won many world races. It is also a nice car for a new person to R/c’s. There are many hop up’s for this car, like different chassis and other chassis parts. Also look forward to the TC4. Only complaint I have on this car is the RTR car with its lower quality radio system. But that is just my opinion.
Associated TC3 RTR w/Stratus Body $220
Associated TC3 Racer Kit w/Stratus Body $155
Associated TC3 Team Touring Car Kit $210
Associated TC3 Factory Team Kit $280
Associated TC4 Team Touring Car Kit $209
Team Losi:
The company of Team Losi is world know for a having great off road cars. So they made touring car. It is a belt driven chassis type. It also has many hop ups. The best thing about the xxx-s that I know of is that the RTR model has one of the best radios that ever did come with a RTR car of any type.
XXX-S Sport RTR w/ JR Radio $270
XXX-S Graphite Plus $270
XXX-S Sport RTR II w/XR2i $270
Hpi Racing:
Hpi Racing has many kits for you. They have the Sprint for a low budget car. All the way up to the pro 4 if you want a pure race machine. So here are a list of there cars for you, also both cars are belt driven. Don’t for get to look for the Sprint 2 coming out soon.
RS4 Sport 2 w/Nissan Silvia Body
HPI RS4 Pro 4 Touring Car $320
Yokomo:
They have a car just for drifting. It is just like the MR-4TC SD SSG but only made with a different type of material instead of carbon fiber. But it is still a great kit. It is a shaft driven car along with the MR-4TC.
Nissan 180SX Drifter Car Electric Kit $235
MR-4TC SD SSG Special Chassis Kit $340
Schumacher:
There are two electric cars. Both that I know of have no electric components, so really they are just a roller. There is the SST mission and the MI2. The mission is cheaper and the MI2 is a more higher end. Both of these cars are belt driven.
Mission
MI2
Team Trinity
Team Trinity has a car now that is good for drifting. It is called the T-Spec. It is a kit. One model comes with the Car only. And the other comes with the motor, battery and body. But then you need to get the radio equipment. These cars are shaft driven.
Trinity T-Spec Kit w/Motor/Battery/Body $125
Trinity T-Spec Roller only $100
Traxxas:
Traxxas has great off road trucks to beat the heck out of. But we are here to drift. The only elec car that is good enough to drift from them is the 4-Tec. It is a belt driven car.
Traxxas 4-Tec 4WD RTR w/Radio $180
Team X-ray
These cars are more of racing but if you have one any one of them you could drift with them. But i highly say don't do it. But it is your car. Too nice of a car to drift with. There is the T1 EVO2 Factory Kit which is a roller. It is a belt driven car.
XRAY T1 FACTORY KIT 1/10 $340
T1 Raycer
Kawada
Is a company in Japan. What more is there to say. Well they have one car that i know of that is the SV-10 Sigma. It is a Belt driven car. Well they also have the SV-10 Alcyon, which is also belt driven. The sigma is the higher end model of the SV-10. While the alcyon is the more of a basic kit, sort of like what the car is made out of. They are not RTR's. So that means they both are rollers.
SV-10 SIGMA
SV-10 ALCYON
Alex Racing
I don't know much about this car. But i do know this car is quite pimp. Just look at the pics. I haven’t found any information that helps me out or anything. But i do know also this isn't a cheap car. ¥41,790. Well in US money that is over $375. So just stay away from this. More of a racer then a drifter.
Alex Racing Barracuda R3
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05-05-2004, 02:32 PM
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Mirco Drifting
There is a whole new area of drifting coming out to the crowds. It is called mirco drifting. You use cars that are around 1/18 scale. Most drifters in this scale use the Hpi mirco cars because they are 4WD. But there are other car companys out there. There are the nicest mirco cars that i know of by x-ray. Oh how they are sexy. Well use real hobby grade mirco stuff not the radioshack cars.
HPI RACING
Go down a little bit and see all the different styles of bodys.
Micro RS4 RTR, Skyline R34 GTR $211
X-ray
They have out two nice cars to drift with. The
High Performance Micro Sedan and the T1M Mini Sedan. Well both are rollers. And also the T1 mini is belt driven and the micro sedan is shaft driven.
Xray M18 1/18 4WD Car Kit $105
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05-05-2004, 02:36 PM
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Nitro drifting
Nitro drifting is alot different then electric drifting. You have to worry about a whole lot more then just then the battery on an electric car. If your new to the hobby. Don't get a nitro car. They are a lot of work to matain. Well any way here are some ideas for cars.
Team Associated
Lets see Team associated has the NTC3. This is roughly the same has the TC3 but only nitro. There are a few virsons of this. One the factory team kit. Two the pull side exhuast kit. And the non-pull rear exhuast kit. You will need all the elec compontes for the two kits. Plust the factory kit you need the motor, body, wheels and tires, and the elec componts.
Factory team $350
Pull side exhaust kit $260
Rear exhaust kit $260
Hpi racing
Hpi racing has the Nitro RS4 3 Type SS for you to chose. It only needs the elec compontes and you are off drifting. Plus there are many body styles to chose from on towerhobbies.
Trans Am body $260
Kyosho
Kyosho has a few racing cars that might be un-able to drift. But they do have the GP Spider chassis. It seems good to drift. Check the link.
GP Spider
Tamiya
Tamiya has many nitro cars. There are the 1/10 scale ones and the 1/8. It all depends on what you like. I believe all the 1/10 verions are off the same frame but don't quote me on that. Check the link for 1/10 and 1/8 scale r/c glow engines.
Tamiya R/C main page
DuraTrax:
DuraTrax has only one car that i know of. The Street Force. It comes with a .18 motor so you can drift easyily. But the bad thing is it is only a kit. So you will need a radio system.
DuraTrax Street Force GP2 w/.18 Prebuilt Red $200
Trinity:
Well lets see here. They have a couple cars. They mostly are for racing. Just like any other nitro car. Well anyway here are the links. They aren't bad cars at all.
Trinity Reflex NT Team Only Touring Car $410
Trinity Nitro G4 Racer Kit $265
Trinity Nitro G4 Pro Kit $380
Yokomo:
The yok boys have one nitro touring car. Those people are cool. First the electric drift kits. Well this was the car before them.
Yokomo 4WD Nitro Touring Car Kit $435
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05-05-2004, 02:43 PM
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05-05-2004, 02:52 PM
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05-05-2004, 02:54 PM
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Re: Welcome to the official thread for drifting!
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05-05-2004, 07:38 PM
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Re: Welcome to the official thread for drifting!
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05-07-2004, 03:58 PM
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Types of tires:
Most drifters don’t use normal tires. They use PVC piping or electric tape. The tape method is the easiest to start off with. PVC you will need more work to get the PVC over the wheels. Also over the past few months. Members havce been using ABS piping. They say if gives you more control and also a more accurte look. It goes on the same way as PVC pipe.
Electric tape:
Just like it says we use electric tape. That is the tape that is black. For the rear tires you should put the tape directly in the center of the tire, and wrap the tire 4 or 5 times. For the front tires put the tape on the outside of the tire, so that at least 1/4 of rubber is still exposed on the inside, wrap the front tires 3 or 4 times. You also want to make sure that when you cut the tape off, the end of the tape is facing the rear of the car so it isn't ripped off when the car starts moving.
PVC tires:
This is going to be more work to get just right but will give an easyier drift. Here is a link that shows what you are going to be doing. I will explain better. When using pvc pipe make sure you but it on all four corners of the car. I had some on ask just on the rear of the car, on a other board.
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Wait for new tutorial for cutting pvc. Should help you out more. Link will be here too.
ABS tires:
ABS is just a softer compound irragation pipe, probably due to the black dye that it has. This is preferred to do just enough grip for good control. ABS is so far mainly found out West, like California.
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05-11-2004, 03:57 PM
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Suspension set-ups:
These set-ups are some what of a basic for you to start off with. Many peoples are different but you should play around with settings that you find more comfortable drifting with.
The following set up is for running Taped tires.
Hard. You want the back of the car to be very stiff so that there is very little suspension movement but not so hard that the car "Skips" when it is pushed hard into a corner.
Now if you want to run PVC pipe. You want your setup to be soft. This is because there is little to no grip with PVC pipe. So you need to make full use of the grip you can get.
Easy way of doing this is by changing out the springs in your car for stiffer or softer springs.
For PVC or ABS, you want your camber to be at 0 degrees(flat). For everything else, 2-4 degrees is preferred.
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Re: Welcome to the official thread for drifting!
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Re: Welcome to the official thread for drifting!
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Re: Welcome to the official thread for drifting!
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Re: Welcome to the official thread for drifting!
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Re: Welcome to the official thread for drifting!
FAQ:
Q: What is Drifting?
A: Well, the simple explanation would be losing traction on the rear tires, pitching the car sideways around a turn and maintaining control of the car around the corner. But it is much more complicated than that.
Q: Why would you want to do such a thing?
A: Drifting is considered a huge sport in Japan and is now moving around the world to become a world class motor sport. It doesn't just look cool its even more fun doing it!
Q: What is the best car for drifting, what should i be looking for in a car?
A: Something light, stiff and adjustable. Spoolin uses an HPI Pro 3, I use an HPI Pro 2. The Yokomo Drifter should be great I'm sure. Or any 4wd touring car.
Q: Can I use my nitro car for drifting?
A: Yes, but it will be very difficult. Nitro cars are much heavier than electrics, and since there is a clutch involved the power transfer is delayed, whereas an electric motor will give much more instant power to the wheels, you will be going through clutches like there is no tomorrow. Also the higher CG (Centre of Gravity) makes it more difficult to drift and making the car feel "Sluggish" through corners.
Q: What is a good motor for drifting?
A: Any motor with a lot of torque should do the job. If you can afford it, get a brushless system, they have loads of torque, require little maintenance and have great run times. Also any 27T motor will do you just fine.
Q: What kind of tires should I use?
A: Generally, you want the hardest tire you can find along with some super hard inserts. To maintain a little bit more control, you might get a slightly softer tire compound for the front of the car. HPI 33r tires with HPI blue inserts will work well. Take off cs37 tires work well too. Make sure you check out the Yokomo Drift Tyres too! Also try PVC and ABS pipe over the wheels.
Q: I've heard of a lot of people putting tape on their tires for drifting. What kind of tape should I use and where should I place the tape on the tires?
A: If you choose to tape your tires, use electrical tape. Any other kind of tape gets too messy. For the rear tires you should put the tape directly in the center of the tire, and wrap the tire 4 or 5 times. For the front tires put the tape on the outside of the tire, so that at least 1/4 of rubber is still exposed on the inside, wrap the front tires 3 or 4 times. You also want to make sure that when you cut the tape off, the end of the tape is facing the rear of the car so it isn't ripped off when the car starts moving.
Q: Should my suspension be soft or hard?
A: Hard. You want the back of the car to be very stiff so that there is very little suspension movement but not so hard that the car "Skips" when it is pushed hard into a corner. This is for using tape.
Q: What is Camber? Is it true i have to run Camber on my car?
A: Yes negative camber on the front of the car will help the car's ability to hold a good line and give the car more agility. In the front of the car, you want to run around -4 degrees of camber. Looking at your car from the front, the tires will look like this /-----\ It looks kinda ridiculous, but for RC drifting and even on the real drifters it really works. The rear of the car should be set between 0 and -1 degrees of camber, since you don't want very much traction.
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This FAQ was written by "ToxicSoup"
Edited slightly by me.
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