I just recently purchased a 1986 GTS off of ebay, and the car is absolutely perfect except for the blown engine. It has a 3SGE model engine in it currently. I have many ideas that I keep playing with and many unanswered questions.

I could either buy a rebuilt engine or rebuild the one I have with all performance parts. If I do the engine swap would the 3SGTE engine fit in there comfertably?

What does everyone think I should do?

Do what you want to do. ;)

Why not just rebuild the 3S-GE? or find another as replacement?

It's easy and cost effective.. you're sticking to the same engine that's in it, so you don't have to worry about an after market ECU or rigging it up.

CHris

I have always been a fan of the sounds from a turbo, but I am just not quite sure if the 3SGTE will fit in there. I am new to the whole Celica scene and don't know all the mechanics yet. I am willing to go through the hell of getting the 3SGTE in there if thats what everyone reccomends. And the engine is just the start of my Celica adventure, there is more to come about what else I want to mod on it, but one thing at a time.

I hope you have a lot of cash. I haven't looked in the bay of an '86 recently, but a 3S-GTE should fit.

But do you understand what it takes to control it?

CHris

I'm not trying to discourage you.. just know what it takes $$ to do it.

Here's a taste...

Your ECU won't control a turbo. Scrap it.
New Standalone, $1500 or so. TUning is key. $$$

You'll need an Intercooler... you don't have a hood scoop, so can't go Top mount.. Front mount would work, but that's going to set you back about $1000 or so for GOOD work.

So... it depends.... COULD be:

ECU $1500
IC $1000
2nd gen 3S-GTE $1000
misc. $1000 (clutch, fw, etc...)

so there's ~$4500 right there. Do you want to put that kind of money in an 86 GTS??


Chris

Well if necessary I can make the necessary adjustments to get the engine to fit, such as a hood scoop. I also have a few connections to get parts and such but not too many. What I really want in the end is what is going to perform best. I'm not looking for extreme speed but I do want enough to turn some heads when necessary. I must admit it is a little intimidating looking at an import engine and wondering if I can rebuild it. I am use to working on american engines around that year and I am sure you know there is a huge difference between the two. There are so damn many vacumn hoses I can't keep up with them all.

Here is some more questions I need to find out..

--What kinds of bodykits are available for 86 celica GTS Hatchback?

--Does anyone think a white tiger theme would fit this car?

--Are any other aftermarket parts available such as cold air intake?

--Who or where would I go to get a fiberglass dash and center console made?

Chris

Oh and by the way I decided to just rebuild my current 3SGE engine with all performance parts.. I'm sure with all the extra performance parts such as the pistons and all I can make mine run just as good as the 3SGTE..

yo, dude I got the same model car but mine is an 86 gts two door coupe. I am also looking for some parts for my 3s-ge engine that'll "turn some heads" haha. Well lets tag team this summama biotch and turn it into an under cover beast. Hit me back up when you find some parts.

Hey man where abouts do you live? Cause if your anywhere near Swansboro NC and you get that car running you have a shot at being in a car club.

Sorry man I live in Long Beach, Ca and people over here always be braggin about their cars and my car is under powered compared to theirs. so i want to modify my engine so it can hual "some" ass. haha. I want to surprise people with my celica. Do you think we can keep up with 89-91 supras that are stocked with turbo?

Well from what I have found out so far if you heavily modified the 3sge engine you could keep up with a stock supra, or at least come close, but our year car is more of a project car for street performance and for style.. not for racing. Toyota designed their celica engines to balance power with fuel economy. Supras are more built for racing performance. Dont get me wrong there is a lot of power to be harnessed in our engines just not for psycho speeds. NOS makes a system for our engines which is a definate plus if you want the high power.

ok, so what can we do to our engines to atleast pull some ass out of it? Do you know where to get some parts for our car? I really want some harder suspensions for my car because right now it is so damn soft that when i make turns at 40-50 mph my wheels hit the gutter thing of the car. I would like to turn my car into my first drift machine. I'm already drifting with it even thought it has front wheel drive.

Well for parts you are going to have to just look around. I haven't found any solid places to get crap from yet. HKS USA has the exhaust system and NOS offers a Dry Shot package. As far as spension just get some lowering springs, and some solid shocks. To reduce swaying get anti sway bars installed. Here is a short list of some of the things you should look for.

Exhaust header, Cold or All-weather intake, Cam shafts, Timming Gears, Pistons, Bosch +2 or +4 Plugs, Thicker Plug wires, Injectors, Port and Polish, Valve Job...

I'm still in the early stages of my adventure so I dont have any definate answers as of yet. I've been doing a lot of research and I'm rebuilding every since inch of my engine. Since I am doing all the labor it's not costing nearly what it could. I am also forever posting messages in this forum about my car so you'll always know what I have found out.

yo check this out 5gen coil overs work on 4th gen celica's a.k.a. ours (me being a 86 gt-s owner too) , and for body kits wize this ant shit out thier for kits, their all over seas and thay cost more than our cars are worth, best bet is go with the body kitt of a 4th gen celica alltrack/4wd aka gt-4 the stock body kitts on thouse are nice and fit right on to our cars and mod wize the the 3s-gte will fit in place of the 3s-ge only problem is you cant use the stock tranny due to the starter placement witch is underneath the exaust manifold, the 5s-fe tranny should work fine but you would still have to babby it becouse the extra hp might tear the gears apart, thair is still hope for modifying our cars you just have to talk to the right people...:thumbsup:

Im pretty certian the 3SGE and 3SGTE are the same damn engine except the 3SGE is desinged for a turbo and hence has a lower compression ratio... Take the 3SGE, rebuild it with good stuff, lower the compression to 8.5:1 and turbocharge it. If your not going to turbocharge it raise the compresion to 11.5:1.

Webcams I believe has a street-strip cam with high lift and larger overlap for no-turbo performance. J&E Pistons should stock pistons for that engine and if they dont just have them make you set. Get some valve springs from Ferrea racing. I used 1.8L Mazda Miata 85lb springs that were shimmed to fit my 5SFE.

hey guys...why dont the both of you just get the j-spec 22r motor that has a ct20 turbo in it...the motore came outta a toyota pickup and the celica in japan...and its a ct20 turbo...no such thing as a ct20a..or b but thats what i would do...or better yet try what my dad did...an 86 gts convertable rear clip and a 86 supra front clip...everything matches up perfectly and the driveshaft is just the perfect length too....

I was told by several people that the 3SGE was not designed to handle a turbo, though with the compression it does have it would be great to have one on there.. Well except for the fact that a turbo is hell to work on if it goes wrong.. I am dumping all performance parts in that engine, from the spark plugs to the oil pump and all inbetween.. I really really need ya'lls input on all good brands and everything I should look for..

hey i just f**ked Up my cylinder head for my 3sge engine and i need a new one if any body has any information for a new one please hit me back up. and try to get the price location etc. thank you.

wow im surprised anyone is actually talking about a 86' GTS heh i got one for my birthday last year and havent got it running yet (mainly im lazy) but its nice to know that theres others in a delima like me...ill keep in touch.....thinkin about putting my fuel pump in now....
LATZ

For me this is the first real car I have had yet even though the engine may not run, and also I am one who is really picky about what cars should be hooked up. For example I am very anti-Honda. Not that I dislike the vehicles but because it has been played out way too much and they are seemingly too damn easy to hook up.

Now me personally I have not seen hardly any older Celica's wired for anything, at least not like most other cars (ex. Honda, Mitsubishi, Acura). I can cover the entire city of Jacksonville NC (home of the largest military base on the east coast, and possibley more) and I have found I believe 4 older model Celica's. Non of which have any kind of modifications except one guy, and he is another reason I am trying so hard to make my baby mobile.

He has a 1989 GTS with the same engine and he believes he could beat anyone in town with his racing clutch, and lightweight timming gears :nono: . He definately will have another thing comming when I am finished with my baby.

And besides, not many cars have ass and gas millage on the same set of wheels :smokin:

yo if u guys could...when u make a mod to your cars preformance could you possibly gimme the name price and where u got it from? Im trying to make a list of things i should get for my car...thanx

Sure thing, in fact I would like to know the same thing. Also I have some questions. Anyone know how you could increse compression in an engine without turbo? And how would that exactly effect the engine?

compression is in the pistons. You can probably get pistons made to give you higher compression.

See thats what I understood to be true but several people told me that you would have to have a different crank shaft to achieve higher compression. Whether or not that ment in addition to different pistons or not I dont know, it seems you would have to change those aswell if you changed the crank.

Anyone understand that? Or believe it to be true?

I have an update on my car.. I have decided to buy another 3SGE engine.. One to keep in the car to have it on the road, and the one I am upgrading on an engine stand.. So now I can drive her around all I want and do whatever the hell I want to the engine

yo, did you buy that engine new or used? was thinking about investing in one...what did you pay for it? thanx,
-=SniperX=-

I haven't picked it up yet I am still looking for a good one.. I priced one from the manufacturer through Advanced Auto and they wanted $2,700.. and I haven't found a promising place on the net to get one so I am just going to get it through a junk yard..

What you need to look for if you get it from a junk yard is one from a car that has been wrecked but with the engine still intact.. Usually a rear end collision is a promising sign.. After I get one I am just going to tune it up the best that I can with OEM parts and take the one that is already in my car and rebuild that on a stand with my performance parts..

It's a pain doing little by little and trying to keep the engine running at the same time so I can use the car.. Now by having the junk yard engine in there I can do what ever I want to the racing engine and still have my baby on the streets..

One guy was going to hook me up with a 2S-E engine for $200.. Damn good price but that isn't a performance engine, all economy in that one.. You'll have to ask around.. Especially go to those small privately owned shops and ask them cause a lot of times they won't know what they have..

do you think i should bother rebuilding my 3S-GE? or just find a new one via junkyard?

If the engine stills runs then rebuild yours

I just recently purchased a 1986 GTS off of ebay, and the car is absolutely perfect except for the blown engine. It has a 3SGE model engine in it currently. I have many ideas that I keep playing with and many unanswered questions.

I could either buy a rebuilt engine or rebuild the one I have with all performance parts. If I do the engine swap would the 3SGTE engine fit in there comfertably?

What does everyone think I should do?
A 3sge, where do you live?

richlands nc

A friend of mines told me about a mod that you do to the Throttle body that enables the Ecu to think that it's getting 86 degree air all the time, enableing it to perform at it's peak PH all the time.It was something about turning a screw in the Throttle body 3 times.Anyone heard of it?

Hey Sypherz28,
I am in Sneads Ferry and I am looking for a 2se engine for my 86 celica gt. Do you have a number for the guy that was offering you one?
Thanks for the help

Actually, my 2SE is pretty quick. I was going to upgrade to a 3SGE, but now that I've tuned mine up, I think I'll keep it because im killing hondas and others now. my car is a beater with rusted doors and all. looks slow but really hauls ass. As far as a mod for the throttle body, the only screw I see on mine is the idle adjustment screw. That won't give u any more HP as far as I know. I think the mod u r reffering to is the resistor in the Intake Air Temperature sensor. All it does is trick your ECU into thinking it is getting much colder air and increases the amount of fuel.

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