Just got my Prelude last week..

anyone ever come across a wrx?

what other cars has everyone raced with the 4th gen vtec? wanna hear some good stuff about this car cause i know it can take on a few.

i haven't come across a wrx yet

but here are the cars i've raced:

Wins
89 MR2 Supercharged
92 Prelude Si
95 Prelude Si
?? Integra GSR
?? Yukon XL Denali (lol)
95 Del Sol VTEC
01 Civic Si

Losses:
94 Prelude VTEC Turbo
95 Civic Hatch (FAST)

WRX's are the bane of my existance. :(

I have yet to *really* race one, but I've seen a few & have friends that have driven them & it's actually when I get the money what my goal to beat is. There's a significant diff. between a standard WRX & an STi, though, too, keep that in mind. Depending on the year/model, etc., I think I remember it being something like 240 h.p. out of the box vs. 300. It's a relatively heavy car (prolly 'cause of the AWD), but naturally aspirated I can't imagine a 4th or 5th gen. Prelude taking one (since they come standard w/ turbo).

You'd have to be up against a pretty BAD driver if you just go by the numbers, 0-60 & quartermile on a WRX, 5.55s & 14.34s respectively, Prelude's got its work cut out for it. And again, don't depress yourself lookin' at the STi's, unless you are ready for a turbo kit yourself. :)

(some stats from a site I use a lot, not 'cause I know how accurate it is, just 'cause they let you compare side by side some rough #'s):

http://www.car-videos.com/performance/view.asp?id1=3&id2=0

Even tho it will smoke you at a stoplight, if the race started at say 40mph and your 4g vtec prelude with BPUs such as intake, exhaust, and maybe a header then you would have a very good chance at keeping up with the wrx (stock). Simply because the wrx runs out of breath after 2nd gear and the reason why it seems so quick "on paper" is because of the awd launch it's capable of (trannies cant handle it all the time tho). I would count on you keeping up with a wrx at 40+mph for a while, especially if you get a decent starting jump on him.

cool thread...kind of wondering if i stood a chance agianst kid in my area w/ a wrx (figured that i didnt). my ultimate goal: taking gt's and z28's on a regular basis...ha ha

i have a 96 prelude vtec with header, intake & exhuast. my friend has a 2002 WRX and we raced. we raced 3 times and let me tell you, no matter how i rev or drove, header and all that stuff did nothing. he revved like how i would do it on the Grand Turismo game. he put his gear in first and revved it all the way. they flagged and boom.......he jumped 1.2-2 cars ahead of me. i caught up to his tail lights but that was it. same results the other 2 times. you don't have slicks on, don't mess with them.

You can't take a WRX. You can't take a WRX.

One of my friends has a Prelude, another, a WRX. They havn't raced each other yet, but I have raced both of them. The WRX would kill the Prelude from a stop, but it would be closer from a roll on. The WRX would still win though.

you'd have to mod the prelude a pretty damn good amount to beat a wrx

Hey whats up i have an 04 WRX (stock) and ive come across my fair share of Preludes the most modded one having I/H/E and some other minor mods and ive walked them all...from a stop, 20mph roll, 40mph roll... hope that helps... late

I'm pretty sure from any roll, we still can't take a WRX. They've got more horses than us, which means we're toast on the highway. And at a stop, well...

if you modify a car enough you can beat anything. everyone knows that :)

it all depends how much you mod it.

I've raced and beat a supercharged prelude in my 240sx. The WRX would kill my 240sx so you're going to have to do a lot to that prelude...

I've raced and beat a supercharged prelude in my 240sx. The WRX would kill my 240sx so you're going to have to do a lot to that prelude...

How does that work? You killed a supercharged Prelude, with ~200whp but lose to a WRX with with ~180whp? That had BETTER be from a stop to about 40mph or something, lol.

Turbo your lude, get an ACT clutch, slicks, go smoke any rex that wants to bring it.

Turbo your lude, get an ACT clutch, slicks, go smoke any rex that wants to bring it.


Oh My God, I'm glad you simplified it down to EXACTLY what is needed. Regardless of driver skill, a Lude will win. Cause it has those mods... oh man, why aren't there more people like you?


Thank you! :rolleyes:

Even tho it will smoke you at a stoplight, if the race started at say 40mph and your 4g vtec prelude with BPUs such as intake, exhaust, and maybe a header then you would have a very good chance at keeping up with the wrx (stock). Simply because the wrx runs out of breath after 2nd gear and the reason why it seems so quick "on paper" is because of the awd launch it's capable of (trannies cant handle it all the time tho). I would count on you keeping up with a wrx at 40+mph for a while, especially if you get a decent starting jump on him.

They are slower from a roll... like a 4th gear or above roll. :lol: don't try going from 40 mph unless you're hankerin for a spankerin. 1st - 3rd gear are very short compared to most cars, making it pull harder than it "should"

Turbo your lude, get an ACT clutch, slicks, go smoke any rex that wants to bring it.

Don't most bolt on turbo kit's only make like 250whp in a Prelude? You're still gonna have your hands full with a very lightly modded WRX

Don't most bolt on turbo kit's only make like 250whp in a Prelude? You're still gonna have your hands full with a very lightly modded WRX


Not if they're going from a 60 punch :icon16:

ITS VERY EASY TO BEAT A WRX


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load up a 150 shot and it's history.

i need NOS. two of them and i need them by tonight harry.

I dont know because i have never raced a lude, but a stock wrx puts out quite impressive numbers.

1/4 14.202@96.51
60' 2.028
330' 5.876
1/8 9.121@77.88
1000' 11.853

not my times, taken from clubwrx.net

I think you are going to need some major mods to hang with a wrx but good luck trying

A stock prelude will get mertlized by a WRX (they are almost identical weight wise, believe it or not). the WRX has about 20 more rwhp, and traps about 4 mph higher, let alone the traction advantage (FWD cars aren't gonna grip like an AWD car, short of slicks). if you really wanna keep up with a WRX you will need some mods. Mods that i have seen (My brother is the import lover in the family, so i read his mags often) to get you where you are headed are: CAI (I'd suggest AEM), catback exhaust, headers, ground wires (Cheap mod), and a cam gear. if you are not winning after that, either the person you are racing has mods, or you are driving improperly. Honestly you are fighting an uphill battle against a turbocharged car from the get-go, because it is so easy to extract horsepower from them (Boost controller, CAI, and exhaust on a WRX will get them in the mid to low 13's).

A stock prelude will get mertlized by a WRX (they are almost identical weight wise, believe it or not). the WRX has about 20 more rwhp, and traps about 4 mph higher, let alone the traction advantage (FWD cars aren't gonna grip like an AWD car, short of slicks). if you really wanna keep up with a WRX you will need some mods. Mods that i have seen (My brother is the import lover in the family, so i read his mags often) to get you where you are headed are: CAI (I'd suggest AEM), catback exhaust, headers, ground wires (Cheap mod), and a cam gear. if you are not winning after that, either the person you are racing has mods, or you are driving improperly. Honestly you are fighting an uphill battle against a turbocharged car from the get-go, because it is so easy to extract horsepower from them (Boost controller, CAI, and exhaust on a WRX will get them in the mid to low 13's).

HA! Sorry to disappoint but it will take more than that to hang with a WRX. He's over 8 tenths back stock for stock! That's a lot of horsepower! Maybe all of the mods you mentioned PLUS the loss of about 300+ lbs of weight. Especially if you're going to race an actual quarter-mile. To make up 4mph of trap speed over a quarter would take about 50hp. That's a lot! Now it's a bit different if you're talking about going from a fairly quick roll or something. Then it's not quite so difficult. You MIGHT be able to hang with those mods. But my money would still be on the WRX. Seriously, if you want the best bang for the buck, and want to really give yourself a fighting chance of not only hanging, but of WINNING, get nitrous!

i need NOS. two of them and i need them by tonight harry.

dont forget, you want the biggest one he has.

hahah yes but i forgot how that line exactly went. so i couldn't type it out.

Stock for stock the Prelude doesn't stand a chance unless the WRX is driven by a VERY poor driver. You would have to do some pretty extensive mods to take a stock WRX, and I'm not talking bolt-ons.

HA! Sorry to disappoint but it will take more than that to hang with a WRX. He's over 8 tenths back stock for stock! That's a lot of horsepower! Maybe all of the mods you mentioned PLUS the loss of about 300+ lbs of weight. Especially if you're going to race an actual quarter-mile. To make up 4mph of trap speed over a quarter would take about 50hp. That's a lot! Now it's a bit different if you're talking about going from a fairly quick roll or something. Then it's not quite so difficult. You MIGHT be able to hang with those mods. But my money would still be on the WRX. Seriously, if you want the best bang for the buck, and want to really give yourself a fighting chance of not only hanging, but of WINNING, get nitrous!
No offense but the H22A motor isn't a slouch, it actually dynos around 169 fwhp. I believe the Sube dynos somewhere in the 170-180ish awhp range. In Import Tuner they dynoed one after CAI, exhaust, and some other slight mod to the tune of 18X fwhp. That's with minor bolt ons. Heck out of a B18 motor turbo magazine has seen as high as 200fwhp, and the H22a is known for being a better drag race motor. With the mods i had listed he would be cranking out atleast 200 fwhp. That's 20 more whp then a stock WRX. Self you should check out some stats on the H22A motor, it is a well known Honda drag racing engine, when of course loaded with aftermarket goodies.

No offense but the H22A motor isn't a slouch, it actually dynos around 169 fwhp. I believe the Sube dynos somewhere in the 170-180ish awhp range. In Import Tuner they dynoed one after CAI, exhaust, and some other slight mod to the tune of 18X fwhp. That's with minor bolt ons. Heck out of a B18 motor turbo magazine has seen as high as 200fwhp, and the H22a is known for being a better drag race motor. With the mods i had listed he would be cranking out atleast 200 fwhp. That's 20 more whp then a stock WRX. Self you should check out some stats on the H22A motor, it is a well known Honda drag racing engine, when of course loaded with aftermarket goodies.

You're a fool if that is all you're going to base your argument off of. You forgot a very crucial thing, and that is torque. The WRX has more torque than the Prelude and it also produces the bulk of its torque lower in the powerband while the Prelude will produce the bulk of its torque very high in the powerband. There are also the issues of traction, weight, and gearing.

You're a fool if that is all you're going to base your argument off of. You forgot a very crucial thing, and that is torque. The WRX has more torque than the Prelude and it also produces the bulk of its torque lower in the powerband while the Prelude will produce the bulk of its torque very high in the powerband. There are also the issues of traction, weight, and gearing.
My Momma didn't raise no dummy. I was talking versus a stock WRX (Does anybody here read my posts?????????). a minor bolt on 200 whp Prelude should be able to win against a stock WRX. i already admitted that the fact that the WRX is turboed makes it easier to mod from the get-go. BTW most vtec engines actually have a flat torque curve, although it definitely isn't as broad as the WRX's.

I was just thinking about your reply Polygon. i think you are talking about getting you out of the hole torque, versus getting away horsepower. Yes the WRX does have more torque, at a more useful rpm, but the Prelude's actually aren't as torqueless as the other honda engines. I'm sure you already know the honda has a bigger engine then the regular WRX (STi obviously being larger then the regular WRX motor). It still has to compensate for being N/A though, so the Sube is gonna have better bottom end torque with it's tiny, easy to spool, turbo. I still think a Prelude with CAI, catback, ground wires, headers, and cam gears would win though, over a stock WRX. I've seen some quick hondas at the track.

No offense but the H22A motor isn't a slouch, it actually dynos around 169 fwhp. I believe the Sube dynos somewhere in the 170-180ish awhp range. In Import Tuner they dynoed one after CAI, exhaust, and some other slight mod to the tune of 18X fwhp. That's with minor bolt ons. Heck out of a B18 motor turbo magazine has seen as high as 200fwhp, and the H22a is known for being a better drag race motor. With the mods i had listed he would be cranking out atleast 200 fwhp. That's 20 more whp then a stock WRX. Self you should check out some stats on the H22A motor, it is a well known Honda drag racing engine, when of course loaded with aftermarket goodies.

I'm very familiar with the Lude. That's why I can confidently say that one with the listed mods would get eaten alive by a 14 second(stock) WRX. Like I said, maybe from a quick roll it would stand a chance. But from a stop, no way. Because it's a fwd it would have to make MORE horsepower to stand a chance from a stop to a quarter. Because it would be far far behind from the get-go. Unless they were racing like first person to 150mph or something equally rediculous, it's gonna get wasted. My buddy with a 95 Prelude, intake, header, exhaust, ignition, tires = 14.8s all day. And I consider him to be someone who knows what he's doing behind the wheel.

Stock ludes dyno under the 150whp mark. I've seena bunch of them, here's a sheet even...

STOCK
http://www.ntpog.org/dyno/Oscar-power.jpg

Here's one with intake/exhaust
http://www.ntpog.org/dyno/JohnH-power.jpg

So they have quite a bit of power loss to make up off the bat. not to mention the HUGE traction disadvantage they're at. From a roll...I think the Lude would STILL lose, but it would be a more competitive race. From a stop...No chance

That's a relatively low number for a Prelude Vtec to dyno at (BTW i'm not too sure if it is designated the H22A or H23A motor). Most B18c's dyno at 145-150fwhp, and my understanding is that the lude dynos higher. BTW not all cars are tuned properly from the factory. Case in point: My buddy Steve went to a dyno day with the Western forum members of LS1.com He dynoed OK (360 rwhp off the juice, and 440 rwhp on it). Some dude in a 2000+ SS dynoed at 245rwhp He was hopping mad. He had 3 runs in it too, but the car wouldn't dyno any higher. in any event, those look like some relatively low numbers for a Vtec Prelude.

I dunno if this will matter much, but I believe that a basic bolt on-Lude would lose against a stock wrx. Even from a slow roll, them wrx's are pretty quick.

I had the oppurtunity to run against a Wrx in my Mustang. Although he was in better gear(I got to punch it at 2krpm in 2nd), I had a hard time pulling on him. The race ended with him at my passenger side door. My Mustang has i/h/e and 3.73 gears. My car comes with 300 lb/ft stock, and still couldnt pull away from the Wrx.... and all this was racing up a hill. :mad:

I dunno if this will matter much, but I believe that a basic bolt on-Lude would lose against a stock wrx. Even from a slow roll, them wrx's are pretty quick.

I had the oppurtunity to run against a Wrx in my Mustang. Although he was in better gear(I got to punch it at 2krpm in 2nd), I had a hard time pulling on him. The race ended with him at my passenger side door. My Mustang has i/h/e and 3.73 gears. My car comes with 300 lb/ft stock, and still couldnt pull away from the Wrx.... and all this was racing up a hill. :mad:

Yea, I agree completely. The roll would have to be QUICK for the Lude to hope to have a chance. I've been in my friend's bolt-on Prelude when he raced an exhaust only GSX and saw him get wasted. Lost be about a car and a half. And that was from a roll. The Prelude would need quite a bit of HP to make up almost a second difference over the quarter. Not to mention the traction disadvantage he is at.

I've raced and beat a supercharged prelude in my 240sx. The WRX would kill my 240sx so you're going to have to do a lot to that prelude...
not calling bs but Ive murdered a 240 sx with my, at the time, stock 92 prelude si (non-vtec) so what exacly have u done to your car to do that.

It didnt matter, I'm a much better driver.

Owned. :)


Nice one Dayna. :thumbsup:

damn hate to see that driver

i need NOS. two of them and i need them by tonight harry.

Oh my. :biggrin:

Dayna, maybe he didn't have legs...

Oh my. :biggrin:

Dayna, maybe he didn't have legs...

hahah, that's what I'm thinkin:rofl:

Did he say he wanted to beat Z28's on a regular basis... That's gonna take more work than trying to beat a WRX.

gfhgdhgd

Lol

LOL Z28Josh

I own a 2003 wrx, I have never ran up against a prelude but I will say this, If I could smoke cobra's and hang neck and neck with my brothers ram air firebird when I was still stock I think I would eat a prelude for breakfast (and a Z28...from a roll yes, from launch no). Now that I have my mods : Up and down pipes, cai, full 2.5" ehaust and freeflow muffler, tuned ecu and new plugs/wires, I'm pushing 309 bhp and 228 to the wheels and about 275 torque, I welcome all comers.... just wait till I get a bigger TMIC, nother 40-50hp there :)

whats an ACT clutch and "slicks"?? sorry, im new at this shtt.

performance clutch and performance tires

While we've got a number of preludes running around New Zealand, the majority are Integra Type R's. These are only 1800's VTEC's but out of them 90% all seem to dyno around the same figure whether have an exhaust done or not. 118 - 122 fwkw(front wheel kilowat) 158-163hp.

Non STi WRX is nothing flash but still usually throw around the 150kw or 201hp at the wheels. The newer 2001 or later WRX's seem to be around the 206 wkw (276hp) mark.

Against an STi even a Prelude or Type R Integra wouldn't stand a chance from a roll or stand still with those numbers. Against the non-STi it would be a lot closer, but I've also seen enough WRX's racing and have yet to see either of the Honda's beat them unless they were stripped out bare, and they would still lose against the STi.