I'm looking into getting a car after driving a 97 accord and 2001 Xterra that has a lil power and that I can tune for fun. Just planning for all motor (no-turbo/supercharger) like i/h/e, cams, brakes, suspension etc. Oh and not getting a sr20det if I get a 240sx, even though its tempting. Basically looking for a daily driver that can hit the 14's for 1/4 mile. Just wondering what everyone's opinion is.

Acura Integra GSR
Acura Integra LS/GS
Nissan 240sx SE (se so I can have the limited slip Diff, its RWD :D )
Del Sol Vtec (keeping that 160hp b16ac, i think thats the engine)

Thx for your help guys!

GSR, then the 240SX.

Whats funny is that those were the two cars I was choosing between before I bought my car. They both kick ass. But i'd go with the GS-R :) Faster and more fun :D

GSR,

i like nissans, but a gsr takes only i/h/e an strip the interior (backseat, floor mats, spare tire, etc..) to hit 14's. doesn't get much easier to 14's than that, infact, IF u can drive, u can do it w/ jus i/e.

ThX, was pretty set on the Integra cause it is easier to find and I know more about building up hondas than any other make.

BTW, does anyone have the differences between the GS and the LS Trim Levels?

I know for 2nd gen integras the LS and GS have different interior options. The motor is the same, and the GS would weigh a little less than an LS. Special Editions have leather interiors, and in mine, a two tone color interior.

Dont buy any of those cars. you should never have to invest $1000+many hours of labor for a car to just get 14's. Buy a Camaro Z28 and laugh as you dust a GSR/240/del sol/ or any other ricer. Biggest mistake of my life was buying my Integra LS. 1993-1996 Camaro Z28 varies from 275-295hp and has 325lb of torque. no ricer can compare. mustang GT is about the same but i dont like stangs as much as camaros. thats my 2 cents. why spend $7500 for a GSR then put $1000 in it to lose to a camaro? spend $7500 and get a badass 6 speed camaro z28. My only other suggestion would be spend $5k on a integra LS and put $3k turbo kit in and it will be a fun car.

i understand wut ur saying, but if ur going to use that arguement, then here.

buy a 93 civic cx frame, drop an ls motor (b18b), build it a bit and turbo. ur in the 12's right there.

i DO agree american cars are better bases (much more power/torque usually), but don't knock ALL imports. jus because something is a 4 banger, doesn't mean that V8's own it.

o, an jus cuz ppl drive a teg, or civic doesn't mean they're rice.

there's a lot more to this then jus going quick in a straight line, MAYBE, he likes the looks of those three cars...for me, i love the raw power of the american cars, but i jus don't like the style of most of them. its all personal opinion, an i respect urs, but don't call all import drivers a ricer...thats an insult like us saying all maro' drivers are red-neck gritters...

Yo, I feel you on American Cars. I have a friend with a 99 mustang Cobra that runs 13's Thats bad ass, cause he only put like 3k in mods. And it looks fucking nice in white with cream leather. I'm asian, I love Hondas, and I'm not a riser, I'm a car lover, I like modding in General. I had an Xterra and would have kept it to 4wheel, but it just didn't have good aftermarket, too expensive for those rare lifts. Anyway, the main reason I am looking for an Integra is that my college is on top of a fucking mountain, I need handling. Plus it takes an hour just to get to San Frisco or Oakland. Shit if I bought a z28 it would be bad ass, but I would be drifting that hill and stopping to put gas in befor I got to the bay. LOL, I need some gas mileage and tight handling man. But I'm a big fan of Displacement. I'm telling you all, the sweet medium is a nice German build Porsche... but lets be honest, we are too poor. Thx for the posts guys... still don't know what a GS, LS, and SE have.

too some of us its alot more fun to buy a car that can't do something and build it to do it, know what i mean. my car is more like a hobby to me and i love the amount of affordable aftermarket products for it, plus we save on gas and our cars handle better, and they will drive more than 120,000 miles. my gs-r has 151000 and the engine still runs like new, only parts ever installed was a waterpump and a timing belt both of which i did myself so it cost a total of 100 bucks and i don't think there is any camaro or mustang or anything like it that can claim only 100 dollars in serious repairs after 151000 miles!!

and by the way american muscle isn't all its cracked up to be, i was recently in a thread in here where a guy asked if his gs-r could beat a 80's vette and we all said he couldn't till i went to the chevy forum and asked what the vette would run and it was slower thatn a teg so if a vette is that slow then i'm sure an older camaro and such are slower yet. and i have raced 80's and early 90's stangs before they aren't that quick. you gotta remember a 5.0 weighs probly almost three time what my engine weighs and then the frame also has to be heavier to support it and blah. blah blah.

sorry about babbling but i used to be a domestic junky till i bought an import and then i saw the light....

Like to make a few comments...1st..by ricer i mean a 4 cylinder japanese car. nothing more nothing else. Sorry if it offended any asians.

Next: The comment on driving the civic CX w/ the suped up engine. yes you will be running a 12 second car. but you wont have any comfort and you will be running in a quick car but it wouldnt be comfortable at all. and most of the modifications you might have done b/c most people cannot do engine swaps and such. so yes, that is the cheapest way to make a quick 1/4 mile car. it still has its disadvantages.

As for the person who was talking about an 80's vette....80's muscle cars lacked power in a big way. the vette wasnt what it is now so thats not even a good comparison. If you picked a camaro IROC i would say fast car for same amount to buy an integra/civic and you wont get the same performance. I agree w/ your maintainace report. you would have to spend alot more on fixing the car up. especially the transmission on an american made car but you also have to remember how much time/effort/money you have put into the car to make it run more efficently. mainly im speaking of modifications and tuning. by tuning and modify you are helping the engines life. another comment i would like to make is how many 1969 japanese cars do you see around? there are alot more domestic ones, so its all about taking care of a car and luck of the draw on the manufacturing.

About the camaro and gas. 17-19mpg on a V8 and if you hit vtec alot on a GSR you are getting 21-24mpg. there is a difference but i mean i dont think its that bad unless you drive a lot of miles. and you have the traction control on the 95s which helps a bunch. will it hold the road like a lil japanese car? no way. but will it be able to bust ass on a straight away. hell yes. its all what you are looking for i guess but i would seriously look before you invest in a japanese car because i have nothing but bad and good things to say about it. but the good def. get crushed by the bad. and the main bad thing i have to say is no power. 2001 SE taurus (200hp)=faster than 94 integra LS w/ no mods.

Lastly: LS, RS, GS are all the same thing. RS=no ac(?)/no power windows and such. LS=power windows and AC and a moonroof and such. it was the better package. GS=leather and stuff. its just the nicest package w/o going vtec. vtec=gsr (170HP)

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But I wish you would realize that I DO have to drive a long distance and I DO need handling. My school is out in the Sticks and I need to drive out to the city often, plus because it is on a hill the road is extremely curvey. Oh and For the guy talking about domestics... You are acting like the only cars import tuners have are civics, integras, del sols, 240sx, celicas... Think again. The cars domestics have in this class are the focus, neon, saturn Ion, and cavalier (NOT 2001 TAURAS SE, think price diff and Gas Mileage Diff with a 94 LS!!!!!! if you were going to talk Tauras, why not the SHO SES with a fucking YAMAHA MOTOR, hear that??? A JAP MOTOR!). If you want to talk about 'stangs and Camaros, you need to bring in the 350z/300zx, s2000, 3000gt, and Supra. Of course they cost a lot more than a 'Stang or Camaro, but when they first debuted they didn't. They were aimed at the exact same price and crowd. Its just that they had a higher demand and went up in price as Domestic Muscle lost demand and went down in price. Going up on the import side is just a simple business move that any company would pull, as for lowering price on the domestic side only goes for used car sales. Of course American Cars are still great and I will take time out to say that I think the focus SVT, Neon srt-4, and other new comers are welcome and admirable competitors. They are great cars in much the fashion imports are... of course copying is the greatest compliment. Oh and if we were in kuwait or Saudi Arabia, I wouldn't think 4000CC engines were excess... but we live in America. No Blood for Oil.

bill2bong... you said "I agree w/ your maintainace report. you would have to spend alot more on fixing the car up. especially the transmission on an american made car but you also have to remember how much time/effort/money you have put into the car to make it run more efficently. mainly im speaking of modifications and tuning. by tuning and modify you are helping the engines life." well i haven't put any time or money or effort into making my car more efficient. my car is 100% stock right now, and it always has been. so all that tuning and modification that you said increased my engine life wasn't there. the only thing that increased my engine life is good old non american engineering.


you also said" another comment i would like to make is how many 1969 japanese cars do you see around? there are alot more domestic ones, so its all about taking care of a car and luck of the draw on the manufacturing." well thats's because they were not imported as much back then. DUH. you did't start seeing a large import of foreign cars until mid to late seventies, and even then they were few and far between. a much better comparison would be the 80's. how many civics and accords do you see in comparison to escorts and tauruses? alot more of the jap cars around.... because the run longer, are more reliable, and are just generally better engineered.

Yeah my dads camaro SS is tight on the straitaway, but i feel like im driving a fuckin boat or somthing when taking turns.

Anyway, its all your passion. I didnt buy my car to go fast, i considered all aspects, and what i like. Not to mention the looks. My dads 02 SS = ugly lookin :p

Also to back up what knorjs said, if you go and read consumer repots on the magazine stands - the used car issue for this year [jus came out], under there 5 star good reliable cars and best overall value, almost every single one is an import. Under there 0 star pieces of shit that arnt reliable at all catagory, every single fuckin one was a ford/chevy/dodge. Its just funny. :)

Lastly: LS, RS, GS are all the same thing. RS=no ac(?)/no power windows and such. LS=power windows and AC and a moonroof and such. it was the better package. GS=leather and stuff. its just the nicest package w/o going vtec. vtec=gsr (170HP)


I had a RS and it had power windows, just not power locks, they could have been added by the previous owner, but If i was going to the trouble id install the lock motors as well.

4 cyl jap cars.....rice

4cyl s2000 makin out 240HP at 8300 RPMs? ill take one over the best camero or any other domestic shit

take a corner in a domestic? NO

corner in a jappy? YES

compare 240's to civic/integ? NO

IMPALA= the best domestic (black with black tint)=i love it

stangs=fast=no turns
integs=fast with turns not faster than stangs dont need to be faster than stangs

soem stangs=turns and fast

any car +$$$ = looks, turns, and fasts

i like any car with $$

i like my 240 with skyline GTS engine +mods= 2.5 litre turbo =450 (minor mods?)

i like my stock 240 beats "v6" mustang?=yes

10 million litre v-8 beat by a small rice?=it happens

americans put big displacement and lack power?=BRAINLESS

porche 3.6 "bi"-turbo makin big power?=SMART ENGINEERING

ford=shit

flame me

Well, I went out and did some research, I'm not that lazy. Anyway, this post was for me to find out but if anyone else was curious...

RS: Power Windows and Doors, AC (Main Options)
LS: Add ABS and a Moon Roof (Main Options)
GS: Add Leather, Spoiler, Leather covered shit (Main Options)
GSR: 170hp VTEC (only in 5 spd)

So basically, every integra is a good drive. I mean if you got Power options and AC on the base model the other shit isn't that important. The engine is still the LS non-vtec on that RS. I'm pretty set on bying a used integra with low miles. Hopefully GSR though.

Also to back up what knorjs said, if you go and read consumer repots on the magazine stands - the used car issue for this year [jus came out], under there 5 star good reliable cars and best overall value, almost every single one is an import. Under there 0 star pieces of shit that arnt reliable at all catagory, every single fuckin one was a ford/chevy/dodge. Its just funny. :)

Don't go by what Consumer Reports says at all, at least about cars. Domestics can't be THAT unreliable, or you wouldn't see any Ford, Chevy, or Dodge cars running on the road. There is a huge bias against domestic cars in Consumer Reports, and it doesn't take a genius to see it.

FYI, I had a super-reliable 95 Ford Taurus with 167k miles before some guy crashed into it. It was running strong and could have gone over 200K miles. The only major repairs were replacing the water-pump, the belt, and the radiator. My dad has a 95 Aerostar with 110K miles. It is a workhorse van that carries hundreds of pounds of stuff around everyday. Not a single major problem and runs tip-top. Good cars, both never failed on my family once. My next car is going to be another Ford.

what would make you think that just becasue you turbo charged your car, that automatically makes it less of a daily driver? i drive my car atleast 90 miles a day to and from work, and i still can get 300+ miles per tank of gas. plus i only invested 3K for my turbo kit. and i've beaten modded S14 SR20DET's. i honestly think that keepin a 4 cylinder n/a is dumb. if you want to go really fast with it, you need to spend alot more to get a n/a 4 cylinder to be remotely as quick as a turbo 4. plus it puts soo much more stress on the internals. in order to make up for the lack of torque, you need to rev the shit out of the motor. that is how honda can make such a high output low displacement motor. the formula for hp is HP= (tq x RPM)/5252. so by adding more revs with the same low torque will get you more hp. however there is a downside. now lets say your always reving your motor high up there. your piston is being thrown up 9000 times a minute. then you have your connecting rod keeping it from flying straight up and out your motor. for a prolong period of time, your goin to spin a rod bearing, or have your piston shoot out and window your block. in other words. a properly built turbo motor is actually more durable then a built n/a motor.

what would make you think that just becasue you turbo charged your car, that automatically makes it less of a daily driver? i drive my car atleast 90 miles a day to and from work, and i still can get 300+ miles per tank of gas. plus i only invested 3K for my turbo kit. and i've beaten modded S14 SR20DET's. i honestly think that keepin a 4 cylinder n/a is dumb. if you want to go really fast with it, you need to spend alot more to get a n/a 4 cylinder to be remotely as quick as a turbo 4. plus it puts soo much more stress on the internals. in order to make up for the lack of torque, you need to rev the shit out of the motor. that is how honda can make such a high output low displacement motor. the formula for hp is HP= (tq x RPM)/5252. so by adding more revs with the same low torque will get you more hp. however there is a downside. now lets say your always reving your motor high up there. your piston is being thrown up 9000 times a minute. then you have your connecting rod keeping it from flying straight up and out your motor. for a prolong period of time, your goin to spin a rod bearing, or have your piston shoot out and window your block. in other words. a properly built turbo motor is actually more durable then a built n/a motor.

I think you need to do your research... Plus I'm not reving to 9000rpms. I might hit like 7500 but I would in a turbo too. You use what you ahve, you think I would rev a turbo engine only to like 4000rpm, the turbo wouldn't even kick in. Learn out a turbo works man. That PSI is not just a number, your putting that much pressure to stuff more gas and air into your chambers. Which stresses your engine and could eventually throw a piston through your hood. A LOT MORE COMMON IN TURBOS then in N/A. I know you know your shit, but don't be biased because you drive a turbo. No way you can get the same gas mileage if your hitting turbo as well. TURBO PUTS MORE FUEL INTO THE CHAMBER!!! how is that more economical with fuel. Try learning the science behind this shit and not only the number of HP you gain. Oh, and no offense, I would love to have a turbo 240sx, but turbos just need to much work to keep running smoothly. Oh and even if you beat some sr20det s14's the ka24 motor in the 240 is a piece of shit. Give you props for making a fast ride out of it though.

well cylinder pressure is not much of a factory if your goin to run low boost. the main enemy for any motor is running too lean and having detonation. its actually safer for the motor if your running a tad bit too rich. which is how a turbo is tuned if tuned right. also its good to not advance the shit out of hte timing. a turbo you need to retard timing under boost to prevent detonation. which is also better for the motor when retarding timing. so heres the basic run down. to tune a n/a to go faster, you need to advance more timing ( not that great for the motor ) and lean the car out ( hmmmm not that great for the motor either ) i know not all n/a motors you gotta rev the shit out of. but thats how honda motors are made. if you look at the formula thats how they get that high hp out of a F20c. look at how pathetic the tq number is on that car. it only makes 153 at like what? 7500? and it makes 240 hp at 8500. now lets say you want to put a chip in that car so you can rev it to 9500-10000 grand. now its gonna put soooooo much more stress on the valves and springs where you might get valve float and blow a hole in your piston. and plus you gotta deal with the rods giving up on you. bottom line. is my original point is this. is you want to put the same amount of money to increase hp on a turbo vs. a n/a. its safer to raise hp on a turbo motor then to raise hp on a n/a if your goin to go nutz. also its goin to cost alot less money to get more hp out of a turbo then a n/a.

Do even read all the posts before posting yourself??? I started this post, and if you had read what I said I was looking for a car to run about 200hp and into the mid/high 14's, Not hard. No need for turbo or revving the shit out my motor, cause its gonna be an everyday driver that needs good mileage. Go have fun in your turbo 240sx, LOL i didn't see you say it got better gas mileage this time LOL. I've made my decision to get a GSR so go post somewhere else now.

point taken. i didn't realize that you were the original thread starter. if your just goin for a high 14 second car. then yeah i guess the GS-R is the way to go.

point taken. i didn't realize that you were the original thread starter. if your just goin for a high 14 second car. then yeah i guess the GS-R is the way to go.

nah, don't worry about it. I realized by your second post that you knew your shit. Acually, when I have time and money for a second car, its gonna be one of the silvias, love those cars. Sileighty all the way up to unattainable s15's. Yeah, propz on your car and Thx for your input.

no problem man.

Dont buy any of those cars. you should never have to invest $1000+many hours of labor for a car to just get 14's. Buy a Camaro Z28 and laugh as you dust a GSR/240/del sol/ or any other ricer. Biggest mistake of my life was buying my Integra LS. 1993-1996 Camaro Z28 varies from 275-295hp and has 325lb of torque. no ricer can compare. mustang GT is about the same but i dont like stangs as much as camaros. thats my 2 cents. why spend $7500 for a GSR then put $1000 in it to lose to a camaro? spend $7500 and get a badass 6 speed camaro z28. My only other suggestion would be spend $5k on a integra LS and put $3k turbo kit in and it will be a fun car.

Actually I think the 4.6L 'stangs debuted with 235hp, and then later upped to 265hp.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But I wish you would realize that I DO have to drive a long distance and I DO need handling. My school is out in the Sticks and I need to drive out to the city often, plus because it is on a hill the road is extremely curvey. Oh and For the guy talking about domestics... You are acting like the only cars import tuners have are civics, integras, del sols, 240sx, celicas... Think again. The cars domestics have in this class are the focus, neon, saturn Ion, and cavalier (NOT 2001 TAURAS SE, think price diff and Gas Mileage Diff with a 94 LS!!!!!! if you were going to talk Tauras, why not the SHO SES with a fucking YAMAHA MOTOR, hear that??? A JAP MOTOR!). If you want to talk about 'stangs and Camaros, you need to bring in the 350z/300zx, s2000, 3000gt, and Supra. Of course they cost a lot more than a 'Stang or Camaro, but when they first debuted they didn't. They were aimed at the exact same price and crowd. Its just that they had a higher demand and went up in price as Domestic Muscle lost demand and went down in price. Going up on the import side is just a simple business move that any company would pull, as for lowering price on the domestic side only goes for used car sales. Of course American Cars are still great and I will take time out to say that I think the focus SVT, Neon srt-4, and other new comers are welcome and admirable competitors. They are great cars in much the fashion imports are... of course copying is the greatest compliment. Oh and if we were in kuwait or Saudi Arabia, I wouldn't think 4000CC engines were excess... but we live in America. No Blood for Oil.
Actually the 300zx, 3000gt, and supra's costed 40k+, while you could get a Camaro Z28 for around 25k and 'stang GT for prolly around 20.