Brake Problems- No one knows :(

RC_Racer · 06-30-2003, 07:55 PM

Alrighty, I'm new to this board, site and such and I'm actually at the end of the line. My 1995 Bonneville, was purchased with brake problems, and i've invested 500 bucks into them and the same problem keeps occuring.

Problem 1:
I often lose brake pressure, meaning the brakes will suddenly give out and go to completely to the floor, or midway, and pressure will not build up.

Problem 2: While driving, at random times the wheels will lock up, the only way to notice is a sudden drop in speed while driving. The brakes get stuck in and its impossible to push down to stop. If I continue to drive, to a safe area to pull over or to my home, smoke pours out, the wheels get red hot, and The rorters have actually caught on fire ;/

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When my brakes first lost pressure, I went to the local mechanic and got a new master cylinder. All was fine for a while until Problem2 came up. The mechanic tried several things but the problem kept reoccuring. MY ABS light was on so I had ended up replacing a wheel sensor, front passenger side. After replacing it, the problem went away. Soon however, Problem 1 reocurred a month later, with no pressure at all in my brakes. I ended replacing the master cylinder, and the problem was solved. however, a week after, problem2, the wheel locking up, occured again. This time it was in the front driver side. I took it in to MIDAS, being tired of the same Backyard Mechanic assuming what the problem was. Midas had no idea what the problem was, but assumed I needed new Caliper and Rorter in the driver side.

After replacing the Caliper and Rorter on teh driver side, front, everything seemed fine, but the next day, problem2 reared its ugly head, though this time, with the passenger side. I thought perhaps replacing calipers and rorters on the passenger side would fix it, but Midas and my local Mechanic both agree that would have nothing to do with it.

Ty for listening to my problem and perhaps any suggestions people can make would help greatly.

R-C_Racer - Signing Out

trsmith · 07-06-2003, 11:08 PM

In the long run you'll spend more money on local mechanics and franchises such as Midas or Pep Boys than if you had taken the car to a GM dealer who employ trained and certified GM mechanics. I realize the temptation to get off cheap is tempting, but when dealing with a major issue such as your brakes leave it the real pros.

tman · 07-07-2003, 01:21 PM

I agree.

Flatrater · 07-07-2003, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by trsmith
In the long run you'll spend more money on local mechanics and franchises such as Midas or Pep Boys than if you had taken the car to a GM dealer who employ trained and certified GM mechanics. I realize the temptation to get off cheap is tempting, but when dealing with a major issue such as your brakes leave it the real pros.

Thank you for that! Your a man after my own heart!

mattcp67 · 08-11-2003, 05:35 AM

Dealerships will seem to be more expensive -- but in the long run they will save you time and money. I took this from MSN Carpoint for your model year in the used car reliability rating area.

Occasional problems on this vehicle are failures of the Antilock Brake System (ABS) Pressure Modulator Valve (PMV) and the ABS Relay.The cost to repair the ABS PMV is estimated at $474.00 for parts and $117.00 for labor.The cost to repair the ABS Relay is estimated at $12.00 for parts and $26.00 for labor.All prices are estimates based on $65 per flat rate hour and do not include diagnostic time or any applicable sales tax.

Flatrater · 08-11-2003, 07:30 PM

Take me for example in the amount of training I have!!

I am a master ASE tech
I have me L1 cert

And here is a list of my GM training!! Who would you want fixing your car?? This is not to blow my own horn but to show you what we have to do to keep current!!

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ASEAUTL1 AUTO: ADVANCED ENGINE PERFORMANCE SPECIALIST
ASEAUT04 AUTO: SUSPENSION & STEERING
ASEAUT05 AUTO: BRAKES
ASEAUT06 AUTO: ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS
ASEAUT07 AUTO: HEATING & AIR CONDITIONING
ASEAUT02 AUTO: AUTOMATIC TRANS/TRANSAXLE
ASEAUT03 AUTO: MANUAL DRIVETRAIN & AXLES
ASEAUT01 AUTO: ENGINE REPAIR
ASEAUT08 AUTO: ENGINE PERFORMANCE

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18043.02W-R2 Electrical/Electronics Stage 2
18043.03W-R2 Electrical/Electronics Stage 3
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56030.02 1998 OBD II AND FUEL INJECTION
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59000.00 ONSTAR
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22209.50 WATERLEAK AND WINDNOISE DIAGNOSIS AND REPAIR
16015.25 6.5L DIESEL OBD II
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18001.11 ELECTRONICS STRATEGY BASED DIAGNOSTICS
59407.02 CHEVROLET SECURITY SYSTEMS
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22002.64 F-BODY T-TOPS/CONVERTIBLE
59407.04 PERSONALIZED AUTOMOTIVE SECURITY SYSTEM III
22008.22 GM AIR BAG SYSTEMS
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16009.10 GM FUEL INJECTION DIAGNOSIS
15004.50 INTRODUCTION TO ANTILOCK BRAKES (ABS)
16018.15 TECH 2 FAMILIARIZATION
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11004.00 INTRODUCTION TO A/C
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