Automotive Forums .com - the leading automotive community online! Visit IgorSushko.com and see what it's like racing in Japan
-
Please Register or Login to access: DriverSide DriverSide Home | Service & Repair | Car Prices | Parts & Accessories | Reviews & Advice | My Garage
Google  
Web AF
See Latest Posts
Access AF from your phone - point your mobile browser to http://m.automotiveforums.com
Go Back   Automotive Forums .com Car Chat > Racing > Drifting
Reply Show Printable Version Show Printable Version | Email this Page Email this Page | Subscription Subscribe to this Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-28-2003, 11:01 AM   #1
Drfthis
AF Enthusiast
 
Drfthis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: oxford, Alabama
Posts: 127
Drfthis
Send a message via AIM to Drfthis
Question Does rim and tire size mater for drifting

I was wondering does the tire and rim size mater when Drifting? I read somehere that 15's were the bigest you could use. That doesn't seem Right thogh. Can anyone elaborate some more on the subject
__________________
Any fool can take a fast car and beat a slow car, but a real driver can take that slow car and beat that fast car.

what it takes, 10% car 100% driver
Drfthis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2003, 11:35 AM   #2
CAptynCrunch
AF Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: st johns
Posts: 468
CAptynCrunch
You can drift with any size wheel and tire just like you can drag race or autocross with any size wheel and tire. The deciding factor is how you want your car to handle and react.

With wheels, the larger you get the heavy they're going to be. Heavier=more mass. The more mass you have to move the more force you need to move it. Acceleration = Force/Mass.

Therefore You can drift with 18"x10" wheels, you'll just need lots of torque to make them spin and lose traction. Thats why D1 cars have so much power, it's not for speed it's to break traction whenever they want.

Tuning a car for drifting, be it engine or suspension is no different than tuning it for anything else. You still have to follow the same guidelines, manipulate the same factors, theres nothing special about it.

If you want to learn to tune a suspension I suggest you pickup a book on the subject. www.amazon.com carriers a bunch of great ones. I recomend:

"Chassis Engineering" By Herb Adams. It's great for first timers and explains all the basic theory and how most types of suspensions work and how to exploit they're strengths and minimize their weaknesses. And Herb Adams was one of the guys who helped create the Firebird so his credentials are good

"How to Make Your Car Handle" by Fred Puhn. This is one of my favourites. It's more indepth than "Chassis Engineering" with more focus on the practical and real world. How to setup a car for the drag strip, oval, road course or street.

Also, pretty much anything on cars by Carrol Smith is great.
__________________
Keiichi Tsuchiya isn't the drift king,
Michael Schumacher Is.

The only thing better than cars is Music... maybe.
CAptynCrunch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2003, 12:21 PM   #3
Drfthis
AF Enthusiast
 
Drfthis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: oxford, Alabama
Posts: 127
Drfthis
Send a message via AIM to Drfthis
cool books thanx
__________________
Any fool can take a fast car and beat a slow car, but a real driver can take that slow car and beat that fast car.

what it takes, 10% car 100% driver
Drfthis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2003, 01:25 PM   #4
BOOSTD
AF Enthusiast
 
BOOSTD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 262
BOOSTD
Nah it doesn't really matter what size rims you use. Just like CAptynCrunch said it is harder to break traction when you have huge, wide wheels under your guards. But the main reason I wouldn't drift with big rims is fear of ruining them. Big rims are expensive and I wouldn't want to dent them all up.
__________________
BOOSTD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2003, 02:44 PM   #5
Suislide
AF Fanatic
 
Suislide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Toronto
Posts: 7,011
Suislide +250Suislide +250Suislide +250Suislide +250
another large factor is the size. it takes longer for an 18 inch wheel to do a full revolution because of it's size. a 15 inch wheel spins alot faster since it's smaller.
__________________
-Brian
1987 Mazda RX-7 TII
1995 Volkswagen Jetta GLX VR6
Suislide is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2003, 08:23 PM   #6
drftk1d
boost in, apex seals out
 
drftk1d's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: sv, New York
Posts: 3,543
drftk1d Normal reputation
Send a message via AIM to drftk1d
I'd run 17s, personally.
drftk1d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2003, 12:42 AM   #7
BOOSTD
AF Enthusiast
 
BOOSTD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 262
BOOSTD
Quote:
I'd run 17s, personally.
Can I ask why? Tyres for 17's are not exactly cheap. I tend to use 15's and even 16's sometimes. Sure you can have bigger wheels on the front but you won't catch me drifting with 17's on the rear. Just my opinion.
__________________
BOOSTD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2003, 02:12 AM   #8
WhiteBlur
AF Regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Bay Area, California
Posts: 368
WhiteBlur
I had always seen 17's on drifting cars...with the occasional 15-16's. I would have thought to go with 17's also because it seems the right size for the car not too big not too small. I know tires aren't cheap for the wheel but when I get my car and when i change out my wheels I would have gone with 17's which would you perfer 16's or 17's?
__________________
WhiteBlur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2003, 02:18 AM   #9
BOOSTD
AF Enthusiast
 
BOOSTD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 262
BOOSTD
Well IMO you can't go past some 18 inch Volk's for ultimate Drift style. But I would only put these on my car for cruising or show. My new car has lightweight 16 inch Blitz rims which I will use for Drift.
__________________
BOOSTD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2003, 02:20 AM   #10
Corey I RanciD
AF Regular
 
Corey I RanciD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 81
Corey I RanciD
Send a message via AIM to Corey I RanciD
I'd reccomend sticking with 15s or 16s, but it's all about your budget. If money isn't tight then just get what looks good as long as it has proper offset and clears your coilovers and brakes. It's going to be a bit harder to break them away than a 15 or 16 inch wheel (but that's already been explained so I won't go into that) but if you've got the money then you can afford to make the neccessary power. Tires for 17+ inch wheels are also expensive and you're going to be going through plenty of them.

Also, when you're buying wheels the width is very important. I like 16x8s personally but I'd consider something a little wider. The wider the wheel the more tire you've got making traction, and traction equals control.. even when you're drifting and purposely "losing" traction.
__________________
Corey I RanciD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2003, 10:51 AM   #11
Drfthis
AF Enthusiast
 
Drfthis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: oxford, Alabama
Posts: 127
Drfthis
Send a message via AIM to Drfthis
Im not planing on going over 16's Ill most likey be using 15's cuz it's cheaper.

Is a tire prifile of 60 too much?
__________________
Any fool can take a fast car and beat a slow car, but a real driver can take that slow car and beat that fast car.

what it takes, 10% car 100% driver
Drfthis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2003, 09:09 PM   #12
Shinez
AF Enthusiast
 
Shinez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 109
Shinez
Rim size doesn't matter..Rim weight does, and rim center of balance does...but size of the rim no..because you can always get a bigger tire..


p.s.

I was bored, what can I say..

__________________
-1998 BMW (E36) M3-
~Dinan Drop In Filter~
~Dinan Exhaust~
(Wishes he had Andrew Racing F's

-1991 Mazda RX-7 Turbo II-
(Originally had a Blown/melted 13BT)
Now has a 13B-REW
No Mods to the roo as of yet

-1993 Honda Civic VX-
B16A SiR II
Milled throttle body
ported intake manifold
skunk 2 Valve's
Skunk 2 Springs
Skunk 2 Retainers
Bronze Valve guides
ITR intake & Exhaust cam's
AEM Cam gears
lightened flywheel
Stock geared Y2 Transmission
Spoon 1.5way LSD
Ported exhaust manifold
2.75" Headerback exhaust
Spoon vtec Controller

Last edited by Shinez; 07-04-2003 at 12:48 AM.
Shinez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2003, 10:27 PM   #13
JWatson
AF Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Pole Position, Texas
Posts: 128
JWatson
Size does matter.....
__________________
JWatson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2003, 11:25 AM   #14
Dorikin
AF Fanatic
 
Dorikin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: toronto
Posts: 1,820
Dorikin 0
Quote:
Originally posted by Corey I RanciD
I'd reccomend sticking with 15s or 16s


Theyre smaller, so you can break traction easier, and often you can use steel wheels and crap tires, and bingo, no traction in the back.

When you have 350+hp THEN you can step up to 245-275 18X10
__________________
Derek:word..im debating
//Penner\\ : i'm a master debater
Derek:well youve had a few more years experience than i
Derek: Haha AF Sig Material
Dorikin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2003, 06:35 PM   #15
drftk1d
boost in, apex seals out
 
drftk1d's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: sv, New York
Posts: 3,543
drftk1d Normal reputation
Send a message via AIM to drftk1d
tire compound is pretty important too.

try drifting with r-rated tires.
then try it with all season tires.
i'll let you decide this like a news channel.
drftk1d is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
 
 
Reply

POST REPLY TO THIS THREAD


Bookmarks
Go Back   Automotive Forums .com Car Chat > Racing > Drifting

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:19 PM.

Google  
Web AF
Community Participation Guidelines | How to use your User Control Panel

Powered by: vBulletin | Copyright Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
no new posts