AWD Drifting??

2of9 · 06-20-2003, 05:55 PM

i kno AWD driftin is possible, but is it possible wit a Eclipse GSX? cuz my fwen said if u drift wit a car like that, u can break the axel or somthin, jus askin to see if its possible. Wut other AWD cars can drift too (any car) ??

Layla's Keeper · 06-20-2003, 06:32 PM

I'd think it would be possible (difficult because of the increased grip and weight) but possible, but it would depend on the bias of the driveline.

Cars like the Lancer EVO, Eclipse and the 3000GT/Dodge Stealth (yes, all Diamond Star products, but they were all I could name off the top of my head) have transverse engines and therefore FF oriented drivetrains. The car's natural state is FF, but power is transferred to the rear wheels for better acceleration. Cars like the Skyline GTR, Subarus in general, and Stagea have lateral engines and are thusly FR oriented drivelines. The car's natural state is FR, but power is transferred to the front wheels for better grip and more neutral handling.

Thus, in an FR oriented AWD chassis, it's a matter of defeating the AWD system (if electronic as in the Skyline ATTESA-ETS) or readjusting the center differential to have a more rearward bias which could, if done properly, potentially mean for a sound and catchable drift car though not a very astounding one.

In an FF oriented AWD chassis, the rear diff can only receive as much power as the front transaxle can take and torque steer will occur far before power-on oversteer. This is why tuned EVOs are notably easier to drive fast (but have much more understeer) than tuned Imprezas.

To make a long story short, AWD drifting can be done (watch a tarmac round of the WRC for evidence) but it depends on the car the AWD was developed from and requires a vast rethink on the setup of the differentials or electronics.

Dorikin · 06-21-2003, 03:59 PM

No, eclipse has a FF-biased chassis and is heaier than your obese grandmas ass.

Get a Civic

Suislide · 06-21-2003, 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by Dorikin
No, eclipse has a FF-biased chassis and is heaier than your obese grandmas ass.

Get a Civic

please, take one step backwards so that you're on your side of the line again. now stay there.

it is possible to drift AWD, but i've heard it's harder. on RWD cars, you can simply disconnect the AWD system, although this might affect the car's handing in negative ways since it was set up to always be an AWD car.

somehow, i don't think drifting an Eclipse will get you many fans...but hey, anything's worth trying.

Amish_kid · 06-23-2003, 09:23 AM

It's possible didn't the Jun Super Lemon Evo6 win some drifting competition about a year or so ago?

Dorikin · 06-23-2003, 10:10 AM

Ya but with a VCD, you can get a rearward torque bias.

The Eclipse is an FF bias, and the 4wd system isnt as intracate as the Lancer, where it allows for a 10/90 split between F/R

Eclipse is always FWD biased

NSX-R-SSJ20K · 06-23-2003, 12:08 PM

You could always try a feint

thats how they usually drift Subaru's (stock ones at any rate)

turbo2nr · 06-23-2003, 01:14 PM

eclipses arnt meant to drift especially a gsx, a gsx is ment to bust ass down the 1\4 mile or to be a really bad ass sleeper, not a drift car, you wana drift get a 240sx and add a turbo or to a sr swap and drift

rwd is best when it comes to drifting...

my $0.02

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D33A · 07-15-2003, 01:43 AM

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Originally posted by turbo2nr
eclipses arnt meant to drift especially a gsx, a gsx is ment to bust ass down the 1\4 mile or to be a really bad ass sleeper, not a drift car, you wana drift get a 240sx and add a turbo or to a sr swap and drift

All that grip just to go down the 1/4mile? Don't you think that's a waste? The car is a great car to be biached around....it never hurts to try to drift it.....

BOOSTD · 07-17-2003, 12:04 PM

I have a video of a WRX drifting at Ebisu. It's quite good but the car looks very temperamental. The driver has to come into the corners at very high speed otherwise the car gets traction and straightens up halfway through, he then slides off the track. It's cool that he's giving it a go though.

Dorikin · 07-17-2003, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by D33A

All that grip just to go down the 1/4mile? Don't you think that's a waste? The car is a great car to be biached around....it never hurts to try to drift it.....

Its heavy and FWD biased though...

The grip is great for 1/4 because you dont break traction and get a clean start when you've got an 11 second car *cough Supra cough*

D33A · 07-17-2003, 11:38 PM

They drifted the old rally cars...evo 1,2,3s and celica st165 and st185 in tarmac, snow, mud, rain....etc.... I'm pretty sure our 1995 awd systems and suspensions are better than those pre 95s. I think with some weight reduction, light weight rims with worn tires, sway bars, maybe a little more power, and with a lot of practice...we could drift our dsms. I have faith in our cars. All it takes is PRACTICE!

Dorikin · 07-18-2003, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by D33A
They drifted the old rally cars...evo 1,2,3s and celica st165 and st185 in tarmac, snow, mud, rain....etc.... I'm pretty sure our 1995 awd systems and suspensions are better than those pre 95s. I think with some weight reduction, light weight rims with worn tires, sway bars, maybe a little more power, and with a lot of practice...we could drift our dsms. I have faith in our cars. All it takes is PRACTICE!

Its not how advanced the system is, its the fact the Eclipse is a heavy car with an FWD Bias!!! Its just not worth it, its a HUGE double handicap

ThaLegend · 07-20-2003, 03:41 AM

You can adjust how much power the front and rear wheels get so that means AN AWD DRIFTER!!! I heard you can put as much as 65% power to the rear wheels.

mmcc · 07-20-2003, 06:29 AM

as far as i know, to drift a 4WD there would be zero counter (wheels straight ahead) and the power between front and rear would have to be equal. Like the JUN Yellow EVO.

just my opinion.

feint works.

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