i was wondering if any one new what the fastest production car is?.The 3 cars that claim to be the fastest car are the dauer 962 , Bugatti Veyron , and the Koenigsegg CC. Ive heard the dauer 962 is the fastest but i dont know. And about the Bugatti Veyron , is that even a production car?

The Veryon hasn't hit production yet, the CC is the same- the Mclaren F1 still holds the title

Originally posted by Jimster
The Veryon hasn't hit production yet, the CC is the same- the Mclaren F1 still holds the title

I've heard other claims of faster cars but I've not read of a production model faster then the F1 either.

I've heard the same. I even have a McLaren pster that reads: 'The Fastest Road Car Ever.' Speeds exceeding 230, right? Pretty impressive.

i think that it is the tvr speed 12 but i dont know if theve tested it or if it is a production model:cool:

When the Bugatti Veyron will be make (arround 2005), it will be the faster procuction car in the world if I'm not wrong ;)

Originally posted by 207010
i think that it is the tvr speed 12 but i dont know if theve tested it or if it is a production model:cool:


Nah-0 TVR couldn't afford to continue with it- so they canned it:(

I would go with the McLaren F1 has the fastest top speed, but the fastest accelerating car in the world is the Viper Venom 800 Twin Turbo with 0-60 times of 2.2 seconds. The Camaro ZL-1 accelerates 0-60 at 2.3 seconds.

The Koenigsegg is in production, i'm not sure how many they have made yet, but they are on the road.

Has been the Camaro and Viper sold (in these versions )?
and a so big engine on a Camaro, I'm affraid by the corners !!!! :D

Well, currently, the Mclaren holds the record at 242mph. There is a video and audio file avaible... (390, 391..................391..............392!........ ....thats all she'll do, 392 km/h....still mighty impressive isnt it?).
The Veyron is promising a top speed of 406km/h (252mph), but, that remains to be seen still.
The Koneiggsegg CC promises at 220+mph top speed, but, Ive not heard of this being independently verified as of yet.

Both the Viper and Camaro have been sold in this version, but you have to call certain people and have it made before you buy. The Camaro ZL-1 was the one that was put up against a 99 Mustang Boss on TNN as a battle of which was the better car. The Boss won by like .2 of a second, but the Boss had slicks while the ZL-1 had street tires. Also, the ZL-1 boasts a high 238 mph. Another thing, I saw a 92 Vette (probably lying) saying it could go in excess of 265 mph. This was seen in a Duponte Registry Magazine.

Cars With The Highest Top Speed
Car
2003 Dodge Tomahawk Concept
1987 Oldsmobile Aerotech
1988 Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette
2003 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron
*** 1994 Dauer 962 Le Mans *** - Fastest production car
2001 Jun Akira Supra
2001 Lotec Sirius
1998 SVS Stryker Twin-Turbo Viper
2001 Koenigsegg CC
2001 Lingenfelter 427 Corvette TT
2000 TVR Speed 12
1973 Porsche 917/30
1998 Ferrari F50 GT
1995 Jimenez Novia Concept
1995 Ford GT90 Concept
1991 Koenig C62
1997 Sportec 911 GT1
1991 Lotec C1000
1995 Koenig Ferrari F50
1997 McLaren F1
1994 Dauer EB110 SS
2001 Hennessey Venom 800TT
1987 Ferrari GT Evoluzione
1994 Jaguar XJ220S TWR
1993 Ferrari 333 SP

I believe that no one ever entered the dauer 962 for the record top speed, and maybe it did not qualify due to the low numbers made, I cant quite remember, but it was less than 20 and maybe less than ten.

20 or 10 is a limited run, or limited run race car it seems, the mclaren is a full production car.

Ok i have solved all of your fighting i did some reseach and this is what i came up with:

corvette sledgehammer: 255 mph
bugatti eb 16 /4veyron: 252 mph
Dauer 962: 250 mph
Vector Avtech WX-3: 249 mph
koenigsegg CC: 240 mph
Tvr speed 12: 240 mph
McLarin F1: 240 mph
ferrari koenig racing evelution: 230 mph
Hennessey viper venom: 225- 230 mph
lamborghini VTTT: 223 mph

(note the person who said the tomahawk was the fastest, it is not a car it is a motorcycle but if it was it would but the fastest becasue it goes 300 mph plus)

So the person who said the sledgehammer was the fastest you are correct

( The Vw Nardo comes out it drives up to 350 kilometers in the hour and accelerates in only 3.5 seconds of 0 to 100 kilometers per hour: The Nardo W12 Coupé belongs since short to the fastest cars of the world) quotes Volks wagen A.G Germany.

:eek:

350 km/h is about 215mph.

Originally posted by Crazysnoracer
Ok i have solved all of your fighting i did some reseach and this is what i came up with:

corvette sledgehammer: 255 mph
bugatti eb 16 /4veyron: 252 mph
Dauer 962: 250 mph
Vector Avtech WX-3: 249 mph
koenigsegg CC: 240 mph
Tvr speed 12: 240 mph
McLarin F1: 240 mph
ferrari koenig racing evelution: 230 mph
Hennessey viper venom: 225- 230 mph
lamborghini VTTT: 223 mph

So the person who said the sledgehammer was the fastest you are correct

Very good except the original question was "Fastest Production Car" and since they only ever made one Callaway Corvette sledgehammer it doesn't qualify as production. it is the "worlds fasted street-legal car"

There is no way that the vector WX-3 :puke: can achieve 249 mph, go look in the Vector forums even people who like the car say it can't get that speed.

The TVR speed 12 was never officially made, although there is stories about if you give Peter Wheeler (the boss of TVR) enough cash they will build one for you, but thats just a rumor

The Bugatti thing hasn't been tested yet (I don't think?) and so all the numbers quoted for it are just manufacturer claims.

The Koenigsegg CC is in production and customer cars have already been delivered, but they haven't tested the top speed yet so all top speeds you hear are just claims again.....

So the Mclaren F1 is still the worlds fastest PRODUCTION car. :biggrin:

'Segg :cool:

I agree. Of that list, the only series production vehicle that has been actually tested is the McLaren F1. The Bugatti should be in production shortly. The Vector was only a theory since the WX3 was only a concept car (actually, a pair of them). They never produced the Speed 12 for the street. The Koenigsegg has gotten some press but I have yet to hear of anyone actually driving one near 200 mph or of any production numbers. Same with the Dauer. And the rest are just tuner cars, not production cars.

Originally posted by Hudson
I agree. Of that list, the only series production vehicle that has been actually tested is the McLaren F1. The Bugatti should be in production shortly. The Vector was only a theory since the WX3 was only a concept car (actually, a pair of them). They never produced the Speed 12 for the street. The Koenigsegg has gotten some press but I have yet to hear of anyone actually driving one near 200 mph or of any production numbers. Same with the Dauer. And the rest are just tuner cars, not production cars.
They have done some high speed testing of the Koenigsegg up to 365 km/h (226 mph) details are on the Koenigsegg website (http://www.koenigsegg.com) Also Top Gear here in England did a high speed run in the car and got 280 km/h (174 mph) if you wanna see for yourself the video of it is here

Top Gear Koenigsegg (http://www.polarisuk.com/video/videos.htm)

Nobody has done an official high speed run yet so the top speed is still unclear.

'Segg :cool:

I never trust "factory claims"...and the Top Gear test claims a speed of 174 mph, backing up my thought. I'm also looking for a (non-factory) claim of how many have been produced.

Originally posted by Hudson
I never trust "factory claims"...and the Top Gear test claims a speed of 174 mph, backing up my thought. I'm also looking for a (non-factory) claim of how many have been produced.
Yep, your right, you should never trust factory claims (the Vector WX-3 is proof of that) the 226 Mph is unofficial factory figures for the first high speed test, since I doubt they have produced enough cars yet to be called "production" there is no point in doing an official timed top speed run.

If you watch the video on the link you will see/hear that Top Gear only got 174 mph because they were using an old runway and so ran out of space before the cars top speed was reached (the Pagani Zonda got 170 mph on the same track)

and as for production numbers I have no idea "not many" would be my guess :biggrin: :iceslolan as far as I know no official or unofficial production numbers exist. How many cars do you have to make/sell to be called production? 50? 100? does anybody know the real figure? or know where I could find out? :confused:

Regards,
'Segg :cool:

For fastest acceleration and top speed I think its the Ferrari Enzo. 0-60 in 3.2sec, 0-100 in 6.6sec, top speed 218mph, 1/4 in 11.1@133mph, 1.0+g on the skidpad, 73mph through the slalom.

McLaren this, Mclaren that. Never like the car personally, except maybe the LM limited version. So the Enzo kills the McLaren in every acceleration, braking, and handing test. Now everyone thinks the McLaren will do 240mph+. I saw a video clip from within the McLaren, but speedos can be optimistc. Road&Track tested it in the August 1998 issue, with Mario Andretti piloting it.

"Overall, a very impressive car. But I was really surprised by how aerodynamically unstable it was. Absolutely unstable. I was taking the corners at about 200mph, but probably could have taken them quite a bit quicker if the back end hadn't wanted to keep hanging itself out. This really caught me by surprise. I never thought it was going to move around the way it did. Also, the speedometer was really optimistic, indicating that I had hit 240mph, when I was really only going 217. Nevertheless, it's the only car that I actually had to use the brakes before going into the corners to feel safe. That was a scary 217."
-Mario Andretti

PS+ Speeds were recorded via radar.

Sledgehammer corvette is the fastest production car 255+
The ligenfelter Corvette is the quickest, 0-60 in 1.8. (download some videos of one beating a fighter jet in the 1/4)

American cars own you.

the sledgehammer is not a stock production car, it's a tuner car.

If the vehicle has "Corvette" in the name...and something other than "Chevrolet" before it...it's not "production."

"American cars own you."

Corvette:
Overly large untuned engine, uses too much fuel, atrocious interiors (all: seats, gauges, shifter, plastics, batmobile-like), cartoonish bodies.

If you had 50K to blow on a car how could you not choose an M3. Or even a slightly used 911.

opinions are like assholes, unless you want it raped, keep it to yourself.

If you have ever drove one (or even set in one) you would know its a fact, unless of course your one of these stupid people that refuse to look at the facts and purchased one, only to be dumbfounded when they decided to sell their "Corvette" two years later and couldn't get 30K for it.

I am the last person anyone would call a "GM fan"...but the Corvette is an exceptional car. Since the 1997 redesign, the Corvette has become a world-class player again. Performance is extrodinary for the price and the quality of the interior isn't as bad as some have made it out to be. The car is docile around town and can move when prodded. And, oddly enough, the gas mileage isn't bad at all. Reselling a 2 year old car for 70% of its initial MSRP is a good deal.

The specially developed gearbox by Cima relies heavily on experience from racing, especially Formula One. The 6-speed gearbox is probably the strongest and most reliable transaxle gearbox ever built for a mid engine car. The gearbox incorporates an internal oil pump for reliable lubrication, and a large oil cooler, so that it can take the strain from the brutal force of the engine. The final gear ratio is calculated to propel the car close to 400 km/h at 7300 rpm.


That is directly from www.koenigsegg.com


400 km/h = 248.4mph
not quite the 252 of the veyron, but thats not out yet, whereas the cc is out. However they have not yet tested it at such high speeds due to weather restraints during testing (it started to rain while doing thier run).

You missed the term "calculated"...I'd bet against it coming within 20 mph of that speed.

Guys...title of post is "Fastest Production Car"...some of the cars you guys are talking about are far from production cars. Most are specialty cars (Viper Venom, Corvette Callaway...cars like that) which are produced individually for people AFTER the person has already bought the PRODUCTION car. The car didn't roll off the lot like that. The fastest production car (car that ROLLED OFF THE LOT in the state that it was tested in) is the McLaren F1 LM. It is by far the perfect car in many ways. A recent opponent to the McLaren has been the Ferrari Enzo. The Enzo is arguably the new posessor of this title. Car & Driver and/or Road & Track (don't remember which...maybe both...I forget) did articles on the Enzo which compared it very closely to the McLaren.

Sledgehammer corvette is the fastest production car 255+
The ligenfelter Corvette is the quickest, 0-60 in 1.8. (download some videos of one beating a fighter jet in the 1/4)

American cars own you.

Where did you find out about the 0-60 in 1.8?

the kionensoggeg (i have no idea how to spell it ) is clamed to be 248 mph but no one has proved it yeh and it is nomatch to the buggati veyrons 1001bhp 0-62 in 3.2 seconds and 0-300kpm in 14 seconds flat
now beet that

Koenigsegg :smooch:
and bugatti

ow yeh and one more thing on the koenigsegg's official website it clearly sais top speed 390kph and not 400kph

which one would you go for



buggati :grinyes:

http://www.vwvortex.com/news/09_01/bugatti/01.jpg


or koenigsegg :shakehead

http://www.ciudadfutura.com/superautos/k/koenigsegg-cc01.jpg

:rolleyes: Okay lets get this straight again.....

The Mclaren F1 is still the fastest production car. and thats a standard roadcar, not the LM.

The F1 LM is lighter and has more power BUT (and this is a big but) they only made 5 of them and so isnt a production car, just a variant of the Roadcar, and the LM has shorter gear ratios like the GTR's to get faster acceleration but a lower top speed, got that?

Go to the McLaren Forum (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/f332/) and ask if you don't believe me.

And the Bugatti's lovely body causes stability problems at high speed :iceslolan
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/43622 (sorry, German only)

'Segg :cool:

actualy the mclaren f1 is no longer the fastest the koenigsegg is faster
and the fastest at the moment but when the buggati veyron comes out it will be even faster

The Koenigsegg is only faster on paper, it hasn't done any official high speed runs and it hasn't gone faster than the Mclaren, and the top speed is just a factory claim with no proof to back it up, so the F1 is still the fastest. :p

and thats IF the Bugatti comes out. I'm glad you took time to read the link I posted :rolleyes:

'Segg :cool:

fine look here are the top 13 fastest cars

1. 433 kph / 269.1 mph 1938 Mercedes-Benz W125 Record
2.409.9 kph / 254.7 mph 1988 Chevrolet Sledgehammer Corvette
3. 406 kph / 252.3 mph 2002 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron
4.403 kph / 250.4 mph 2001 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron Concept
5. 402.3 kph / 250.0 mph 1994 Dauer 962 LeMans
6.402.3 kph / 250.0 mph 1992 Vector WX3 Concept
7. 400 kph / 248.5 mph 2001 Lotec Sirius Concept
8.400 kph / 248.5 mph 1939 Mercedes-Benz W154 Record
9. 390 kph / 242.3 mph 2000 Koenigsegg CC
10.386.2 kph / 240.0 mph 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S
11. 386.2 kph / 240.0 mph 1997 McLaren F1
12.386.2 kph / 240.0 mph 2000 TVR Cerbera Speed 12
13. 385 kph / 239.2 mph 2000 Lamborghini Diablo Coatl

look some of thiem are concepts and look the keonigsegg is faster and so is bugatti and for your information it is very UNLIKELY that the bugatti WONT COME OUT

Show me PROOF that the Koenigsegg has gone faster than the Mclaren. Not just some list you found on the net. I would love to see some hard evidence of it, I LOVE the Koenigsegg CC, I even got my screen name from it, but that does not blind me to the facts. :)

You wont be able to find proof because the Koenigsegg hasn't gone faster. it has done a high speed test up to 227 MPH. and thats all, they plan on doing a high speed run later. (I can give you MANY links to back this up)

The top speed Koenigsegg claim is a Calculated top speed and the car hasn't actually gone that fast, this is also true of the Bugatti. these are just manufacturer claims, and no independant test have been performed, unless you can give me some real evidence that they have gone faster.

And about the Veyron, the project is 18 MONTHS behind scehdule, maybe you have forgotten This thread? (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t132657.html) and the link I posted (http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/43622) which says it has major stability issues at high speed, (rough translation of page (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.auto-motor-und-sport.de%2Fd%2F43622&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&prev=%2Flanguage_tools)) and Bugatti has been aware of these problems for a year and the only solution would be a complete body re-design, but for now they are limiting the speed to 330 km/h (205 mph)

'Segg :cool:

(Where did you get that list from? I'd like to take a look at the source of it)

thier is no proof but thier will be soon

the list is from www.supercars.netclick on top speed and it will have the 50 fastest cars

thier is no proof but thier will be soon

the list is from www.supercars.netclick on top speed and it will have the 50 fastest carsWe finally agree! :bananasmi There is no proof yet, I will be the first one celebrating IF the Koenigsegg CC does go faster than the other rivals. But I'm not gonna go around shouting my mouth off about it being the fastest yet until their is firm evidence that nobody can deny :D

I don't know if the high speed tests will be done soon, the last high speed tests they did were in 2002 (when they got 227 mph) and they said they were getting ready to do a high speed run later in the year, well its now late 2003 and there is still no high speed run :(

'Segg :cool:

yeh well i am just hoping bugatti can fix thier problems because it is my favourite car
yeh mean while mclaren f1 is the fastest car but how long can it stay thet way 1 year,2 years, 3 years or even longer

Lotec Sirius Specifications
Performance
0-60 3.7 seconds
Top Speed: 248.5 MPH
Engine
Twin Turbo V12
Horsepower: 1334
Torque: 1300 nm / 958.8 ft lbs @ 3400 rpm
Dimensions
Length: 162.2 in.
Width: 81.9 in.
Height: 44.1 in.
Weight: 2822 lbs.

Bugatti 16/4 Veyron Specifications
Performance
0-60 2.9 seconds
0-186: 14 seconds
Top Speed: 252 MPH
Engine W16
Horsepower: 1001
Torque: 1250.2 Nm/922 ft lbs @5500 rpm
Dimensions
Length: 175.8 in.
Width: 78.7 in.
Height: 47.5 in.
Weight: 4100 lbs

Lotec C1000 Specifications
Price:$575,000
Performance
0-60 3.2 seconds
Top Speed: 232.4 MPH
Engine Twin Turbo V8
Horsepower: 850
Torque: 980 nm / 722.8 ft lbs @ 3800 rpm
Dimensions
Length: 169.3 in.
Width: 78.7 in.
Height: 45.3 in.
Weight: 2381 lbs

TVR Speed 12 Specifications
Price: $245,000 Performance
0-60 2.5 Seconds(est.)
Top Speed: 240+
Engine 800 Horsepower V-12
Torque: 882 Nm @ 5750 rpm
Dimensions
Length: 169.3 in.
Width: 77.2 in.
Height: 43.3 in.
Weight: 2205 lbs

Mclaren F1 Specifications
Performance
Top Speed 240 mph
0 - 30 mph 1.7 seconds
0 - 60 mph 3.2 seconds
0 - ¼ mile 11.6 seconds
0 - 100 mph 7.7 seconds
Engine
V-12
Horsepower: 627
Torque: 649 Nm / 479 ft lbs @ 4000 RPM
Dimensions
Length: 168.8 in
Width: 71.7 in.
Height: 44.9 in.
Weight: 2840 lbs.

Did not have Koensegg specs, but obviously reading this thread, it is not clear which car is fastest, because lots of it is about skill in driving.

Straight from http://www.rapidcars.com/ (awsome site!!!)

good point i agree

OK, this should stop the argument. I have sitting here my Guiness World Records 2003, and you can't argue with them, because this is official. The fastest production car is the McLaren F1 with a top speed of 240.1 mph, tested by Andy Wallace on on March 31st, 1998, at the Volkswagen Proving Ground in Wolfsburg, Germany.

For you who were wondering what the fastest 0-60 on a production car is, it is 3.07 seconds by the Ford RS200 Evolution.

i dont think so

Well maybe the other car manufacturers havn't entered for a record? :2cents:

a for can not have the fastest 0-60 time

I think Andy races LeMans(or raced)

Well maybe the other car manufacturers havn't entered for a record? :2cents:
The other cars either
1. are not actually in production

or

2. Their top speed hasn't actually been tested ( this is most likely the case, because finding a straightaway that can carry the car up to over 240 mph is extremely rare, which is why the F1 was tested at the Volkswagen track, which has a really really long straightaway )

but does the mclaren have the fastest exeleration ??????????
NO IT DOESENT

I dont mean to be disrespectable but for car enthusiasts i cant beleive that none of you knows one of the most important facts about cars. The last time i checked, a few months ago, this is what i came up with.

The Lamborghini Diablo VT holds the title at the moment. The reason being it is actually still in production and has a proven topspeed accaepted everywhere, hardly any, if one, of the cars the previous posts mentioned are or ever were in production. The koenigsegg could be the fastest, i have also seen stats on 227mph acheived, if this is so then the cc is the fastest, and yes it is a production car. The mclaren has gone out of production for years, so it no longer qualifies, it is however the fastest production car ever, which is why it is still in the guinness book of world records. The point about manufacterers not applying for the record is also correct. These people talking about the callaway and lingelfeter or whatever, you need a serious rethink, if you want to mention cars like that dont you think others could mention cars like the HKS drag skyline, Blitz Skyline, Top Secret Supra, Duaer 962 Le Mans, Lamborghini Diablo Coatl & loads others that were tested to very high speeds. A production car is available to any & everyone. So the Diablo is the king unless the koenigsegg has been confirmed @ 227mph which i think is highly likely, its a great car and i have no doubt it can reach the 247 predicted if not more.

P.S. someone needs to check out the Zonda S7.3 it acheived 220mph in private tests by someplace. Rumours are it cant acheive this without a special front wing? Also the Enzo is sposed to go 217mph.

the bugatti has the fasest 0-60 but it still isnt in production yet so that doesnt count

the bugatti has the fasest 0-60 but it still isnt in production yet so that doesnt count

ähemm
can i correct you?


the power of the bugatti will be reduced cause
1. the car is unhandeble at speeds over 300
2. the power and torque are too much for the axle gear

Hey Yazza, wake up, this is 2003, and the Diablo is quite obviously out of production. Apparently when you said "a few months ago", it was more like "a few years ago". The only cars Lamborghini is currently making are the Murcielago and Gallardo. And it doesn't matter wether a car is out of production or still in production as long as it is considered as a production car. And Farbod, the Bugatti has not been officially tested. This is why you will find many different claims on different sites. You guys should hold in your claims that the Veyron is the fastest production car until it actually IS a production car, which will be delayed for around a year. McLaren F1 still holds the title!

I NEVER SAID BUGATTI IS IN PRODUCTION I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE BUGATTI CONCEPT WHICH DOES O-60 IN 3.2 SECONDS NOT THE THE BUGATTI EB 16/4
(sorry i am realy streased out)


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Wake up? Me? The Mclaren u say? i admit the diablo vt isnt available any more but i meant the Diablo GT, which is still available from lamorghini, either to regular customers or more popularly to race teams around the world, as far as the Mclaren goes, theres not even a question about it still being in production, the last one rolled out in 1998 was it and i think that was an LM? thus making it unable to be the fastest PRODUCTION car. Like i stated before the MClaren is the fastest production car ever as recognised by the guinness book of world records but if you wanna go that far back just go back a few more years and youll see the Duaer can make the MClaren look slow, cmon we all know the Mclaren was the best, and the LM probably still is the ultimate road going car but it aint in production no longer, get over it, the MClarens time is over. And before you post again remember i said PRODUCTION, define how the Mclaren is still in production if you want to argue your point again.

o, and about your point on what a production car is even if its still not being produced, just look at the records and how they changed, the diablo was king in the early 90's then the xj220 then as soon as this was stopped by jag the diablo went back on top only to be surpassed again, by the mclaren i think it was. Since the diablo has been in contant production over the last ten or so years it has always scooped up the title as soon as the one off supercars such as the xj220 dissapeared.

very true well said so the f1 isnt the fastest production car at the moment

There are no Diablos in production! Any kind of Diablo! Only the Murcielago, Murcielago Barchetta and Gallardo are being made by Lamborghini! I would find it very strange if the Diablo is in production, because it started production in 1991 and it would not be profitable after 12 years. I don't see how the Diablo can be out of production and the F1 can be out of production but the Diablo is still somehow considered a production car. Oh, and how fast does the Diablo GT even go? Also, keep in mind that there are some other very fast cars in production, such as the Enzo with a 218 mph top speed and the Saleen S7 with 223 mph top speed.

We must await the statistics of a recently released Lamborghini R-GT, which will spawn the GT model...

And right now, Lamborghini is only producing the Murcielago and Gallardo. Late 2004 will bring the Barchetta and probably the Murcielago GT and maybe even a Gallardo roadster...

well none of them are the fastest production car

Although I like it the Dauer 962 can hardly be considered a production car. It was a Le Mans car and Dauer converted one to road use which had a top speed of 237mp. Still, great car :p
http://www.porsche.ru/sport/962/wings.jpg

But not nearly the fastest, Carrera... The fastest is, or will be when it is officialy released, the Bugatti Veyron 16.4. O-60 in 2.9 and top speed of over 250 MPH. Price estamated at 1.2 MILLION dollars.

There is actually a limited handful of 962's , not just one, although there are too few to be production, it is a 'Limited production'

But not nearly the fastest, Carrera... The fastest is, or will be when it is officialy released, the Bugatti Veyron 16.4. O-60 in 2.9 and top speed of over 250 MPH. Price estamated at 1.2 MILLION dollars.

I never said it was the fastest but doesn't matter. Now what they need to do is get a Veyron and a Koenigsegg CC and take them to the same track where the F1 reached 242mph and see if they can top it...
And out of interest how many cars have to be made for it to qualify as a production car?

I just want to be the one to point out that the Koenigsegg has done a top speed test, but they could not push it because it started raining. So it only did 220+ in the rain. The Koenigsegg is a production car, although, by what people are saying now, I think it qualifies as a limited production car, with only under a dozen built so far. Based on the stats, with a lower coefficient of drag, and higher horsepower than the F1, it should take the title if it makes a qualifying run before the Veyron comes out. The Veyron should be the fastest.

On a side note, I just like the Koenigsegg better at this point. It's quick as hell, everything is adjustable, and it's not just a speed competitor. It does 1.3Gs in the skid pad, which is INSANE for a car on street tires. It's basically a do all. I love the car. Can't wait to get one, either by lottery or making a come up in a few years.

*edit* I just realized that my title is AF newbie, and I've been signed up with AF for like a year :lol: :lol:

the dodge tomahawk has a estimated top speed of 300 mph, it also has a viper engine, but the speed is estimated because no one is willing to actually test it out. did anyone read that the bugatti veyron has 1200 h.p. but they have to de-tune it for america, and 1000 for the rest of the world, one last thing no one said anything about the ferrari enzo that hits 60 in about 3.2 seconds and the saleen s7 that does it in about 3.4 seconds. i'd still rather have the mclaren f1, only 100 ever made

The McLaren F1 will always be the Holy Grail of cars in my eyes. Faster then all hell, room for you and 2 passengers, very comfortable, looks amazing, very streetable, comes with friggin fitted luggage and...like...titanium tools or something. It's the best of all worlds.

the bugatti is the fastest producion car. It is mass produced. The mclaren only goes 242mph, the bugatti goes 262mph.

It's obviously not official or it would be in the Guiness book.

actually the Fastest Production Car would be the McLaren F1 because that is the best cars in the world.

i was wondering if any one new what the fastest production car is?.The 3 cars that claim to be the fastest car are the dauer 962 , Bugatti Veyron , and the Koenigsegg CC.
Depends what you guys define as a "production car" - I certainly don't class any of the vehicles you've listed, as production cars.

The Vauxhall Lotus Carlton was good for around 180+ mph, and that was a production car, sold through Vauxhall dealers here in the UK alongside more sedate family Vauxhall models.

Just like to point out that the dodge tomohawk claim of 300+ mph is bs. There is no way that a 500hp bike with aerodynamics like that could reach that speed, im guessing more like 200mph and then the riders arms would rip off. However I have seen videos of a turbo hayabusa (the most aerodynamic production bike) with 499hp pulling insane wheelies at about 180mph. Also they claim they have had it up to 270 mph, so with the dodge being a big heavy POS there is no way it goes that fast.

The estimated top speed for the tomahawk is an *estimate*.
However, it was derived from computational fluid dynamics computer simulations. AKA, it found the amount of resistance offered from aerodynamic drag...once the values of all frictional forces are added (wheels to ground, drivetrain losses, and air resistance), the vehicles power and gear ratios, a pretty good estimate of top speed can be established.

Well their estimate is wrong, that bike is very aerodynamicly dirty and as i just said the most aerodynamic production bike can only go 270 with 499 hp. Also they first said it could go 400mph and then changed their minds to 300mph. All the motorcycle magzines have been joking about how bs thier claims are and if you sat down and did all those calcuations yorself you would have to agree. Also the bike only has 2 gears so its not going to work trust me.

The Veryon hasn't hit production yet, the CC is the same- the Mclaren F1 still holds the title

Its the Koenigsegg CC
0-62 @ 3.0 seconds flat
and 245 mph as top speed.. thats around 5 mph faster then the McLaren F1

the problem with the dodge tomahawk is its lack of downforce, meaning that if it was fitted with front and rear wings it would be capable of its 400mph+ top speed making it th fastest production in the world

my car is a 1981 Chrysler valiant sedan with a 750hp twin turbo hemi 265(six cyl)

the problem with the dodge tomahawk is its lack of downforce, meaning that if it was fitted with front and rear wings it would be capable of its 400mph+ top speed making it th fastest production in the world

Yea....adding drag always makes things faster............

I pisses me off when companies like dodge make rediculas claims, did you not read my post about the 500hp hayabusa? it has nothing to do with downforce, the bike just straight out doesnt have the aero dynamics or horse power to reach 300mph. Think about it, the busa weighs 215kgs, the dodge 681kgs, both have about 500 hp but the busa is way more aero dynamic. The busa has 6 gears, the tomohawk has 2. So its not a matter of wether it really can reach 300mph it has been proven that it cant.

the problem with the claim is that of course for a speed even near that you'll need incedably long ratios but that tank can get you all of 50 miles crusing and to think how much it would be going flat out

I think it could probably do it. Who the hell knows...besides...why is it even an issue? The Tomahawk is nowhere even near the vacinity of being almost close to being considered a "production vehicle" nor will it ever be.

easy. It's the Mclaren F1 :biggrin:

It is still the McLaren F1 anyway, until a company that makes at least 50 examples can have one of its cars independently tested both ways down a track, with the runs being made within 30 minutes of each other.
No other company has done this yet with a speed faster then 242mph.

Vector; never any conclusive independent tests, and claimed top speed was only 220mph anyway; the McLaren beats that with its verified top speed

Also, what of the F1 LM. At 5 models I suppose its production, and the acceleration alone is .4 faster than the regular f1. Better high speed aero and 60 bhp more... F1 LM smokes the competition... unless the TVR Speed 12 was ever production (I'm really not sure).

Only 2 Speed 12s were made. Never went into production.

All these test are done by professionals. If you ask me the test should be done by someone who drives the cars daily. Then ask them how fast they have taken their cars. All these tuned cars are ruled out when talking about production cars.

Vector; never any conclusive independent tests, and claimed top speed was only 220mph anyway; the McLaren beats that with its verified top speed

I have a poster of the Vector that was autographed by the designers or something that I got at a car show when I was...hell...I don't even know...like...5.

Veyron maybe...

This will end the discussion.....
copyed from www.koenigsegg.com

2003-11-24
Koenigsegg in Guinness Book of World Records



Koenigsegg has received a Guinness Record for the most powerful production car in the world. Koenigsegg is replacing the Mclaren F1 for this record!

Christian v. Koenigsegg said he his happy that Guinness has recognized the CC and that he will strive for the official top speed record as well.

I don't even think the Veyron hit production yet, and if it did it was very recently. But when it does/did start being produced, it will be/is the fastest production car. 987 HP after US restrictions, 1001 without. 0-60 in less than 3 seconds. Top speed of 252 MPH. I don't think the Koenigsegg has numbers like that.

Actually the Lingenfhelter tuned corvette goes 0-60 in 1.9sec. I don't know where you got the numbers that a stock production camaro goes 0-60 in 2.2.

Well, the F1 LM was designed more for track use, not outright top speed; If I remember correctly, they estimated its top speet to be about 220 or so mph, but has much more downforace at high speeds, and the extra power accounts for the increase in acceleration.

And the Koenigsegg being in the Guiness book of records for the most powerful production car doesnt mean much; If a car had 2000hp, but weighted 14 tons and seats 12, well, it would be the most powerful production car, but it definately wouldnt be the fastest.

Actually the Lingenfhelter tuned corvette goes 0-60 in 1.9sec. I don't know where you got the numbers that a stock production camaro goes 0-60 in 2.2.

Which year Lingenfehelter Corvette did those numbers? Yeah agree chris, a 14 ton car...no way. I would like to see a pictue of this Koenigsegg that took McLaren F1's place in the Guinness book...

If you want a picture, google the CC8S, you'll get plenty. And yeah, the power thing doesn't really matter in the end, it's the performance.

Also, about the Lingenfelter vette, I understand the torque that it creates is enormous and since it comes from lingenfelter is probably produced on a wide band. But, with 200 less than the Veyron (yes it is 1,200 lighter) how can it accelerate in 1 full second faster. For that matter what tires did they fit it with the keep it from just bogging down at the start? Without either enormous tires or some sort of power distribution, 1.9 secs seems somewhat impossible.

By the way, who verified the 1.9 sec 0-60?

well, what can i say..it's a corvette!!! Here are the facts:
Price: $165,000, Weight: 3340 lbs, transmission: 6-Speed Manual/5-Speed Automatic
Engine Type: Twin-Turbo V8
Displacement: 7007 cc
Horsepower: 802 bhp @ 4600 rpm
Torque: 866 lb-ft @ 3600 rpm
Redline: 6500 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 1.97 sec
0-100 mph: 4.33 sec
Quarter Mile: 8.95 sec @ 153 mph
Skidpad: 1.01g
Top Speed: 240 mph
what tires...street tires!!! Its a street legal car........
and here is a link to a video of it taking the 1/4 mile.
http://www.lingenfelter.com/LPEinmedia.asp

A street legal car does not equal production car.

A street legal car does not equal production car.
Yep, the thing not everyone understands...

Hey, i youst answerd moslerporschefreak question.....

And thank you for the answer. I still almost can't believe my eyes. 0-60 in 1.95 secs in street tiresand on a slightly wet track. I'd say Lingenfelter is more magician than businessman

well, what can i say..it's a corvette!!! Here are the facts:
Price: $165,000, Weight: 3340 lbs, transmission: 6-Speed Manual/5-Speed Automatic
Engine Type: Twin-Turbo V8
Displacement: 7007 cc
Horsepower: 802 bhp @ 4600 rpm
Torque: 866 lb-ft @ 3600 rpm
Redline: 6500 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 1.97 sec
0-100 mph: 4.33 sec
Quarter Mile: 8.95 sec @ 153 mph
Skidpad: 1.01g
Top Speed: 240 mph
what tires...street tires!!! Its a street legal car........
and here is a link to a video of it taking the 1/4 mile.
http://www.lingenfelter.com/LPEinmedia.aspYes it's the Lingenfelter Corvette 427 TT i think and yes it's street legal and I really love Lingenfelter because Lingenfelter would be one of the best Automobile Modifyers in the world.

Yes it's the Lingenfelter Corvette 427 TT i think and yes it's street legal and I really love Lingenfelter because Lingenfelter would be one of the best Automobile Modifyers in the world.

That strange Dauer 962 Le Man was 2.7 seconds fast.

http://www.supercars.de/data/dauer/1994962%20le%20mans/480/016.jpg

Then there was charming Espace F1 with F1 engine,
2.8 sec.


http://www.universalauto.com/graphics/renaultespace.jpg

Production or not :sly:

i don't think that opel is production

i don't think that opel is production


Pardon? ???????????????????????????????????????????

i think he got banned for making that assumption, and one thing that would be faster than the Lingenfelter Corvette 427 TT would be the Lingfelt 427 TT engine in a 66" GT-40 or a new For GT

the corvette engine is best fit in mosler mt 900. the car weights 900 kg(photon version). 0-60 in 3.13 registered by motor trend, u can see it on www.moslerauto.com
the engine can be tuned with a lingenfelter twin turbo

i just read this entire thread, post to post hahaha

None of those cars are true production cars. There has to be a certain number of cars produced per year to make it a production car. Anyway the fastest production car 1/4 mile (which is what really counts) is the 1968 Plymouth Barracuda SS with the 426 hemi v8 with a 10.5 1/4 mile. while the 2003 Ferrari Enzo is a close third with a 10.8 sec 1/4 mile. The 1968 Dodge Dart with the 426 hemi had a 1/4 mile time of 10.5 (same as the Cuda) but crossed the finishline a mile an hour slower. Even with less horses the American mucle blew away the compatition. http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm

I just read through this whole thread, and I dont think anyone commented on how amazing it is that the F1 (argue this all you want, I'm going with the democratic choice) is the fastest car proven by runs after so many years! You would think after 10 years they could've beaten the F1...

That's what I think is so amazing about the f1

I just read through this whole thread, and I dont think anyone commented on how amazing it is that the F1 (argue this all you want, I'm going with the democratic choice) is the fastest car proven by runs after so many years! You would think after 10 years they could've beaten the F1...

That's what I think is so amazing about the f1

That's exactly what makes the F1 stand out so much in car history, there have always been best cars but none that have accomplished such a feat and held it for over 10 years.

a couple posts up about the 1/4 mile times....poor man is so wrong.

The koinseeg CCR does it in 9.0 flat. With a top speed of 242+ mph.

Most of these cars people are talkin about are NOT PRODUCTION...

Where'd you read 9.0 flat and where is the 242 top speed come from?

If these are estimates say so, otherwise someone might think they're verified and go displaying them on some other thread.

check out the segg's website under ccr it says standing 1/4 mile in 9 flat... With 800+hp i dont think that its that far off if not the truth...and why would they need to lie...the car is one of the best production cars in the world if not thee best

If it's in the segg's website I'll be less skeptical, but until that gets verified by an independent party, I remain unconvinced. It's nothing against you it's just that it's far too easy for estimates or unverified data to be a little different from the truth.

i dont really care man, i am just sayin. I think it is the fastest production car right now. Other then the bugati veryon or whatever that thing is called starts being made this is the fastest that i know of. And the cc8s hauls some serious ass with "only" 655 hp can you imagine what 800 would feel like. Like i said before if its not 9 seconds flat then i would think it would be close.

Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents worth. The fastest car is the mclaren, it is the only one of these ones test that has been independently tested. As far as I know the speed reached was less then mclarens claim so no car company is total reliable. In terms of current production cars the murcielago is the fastest 'production' car. Most automotive journalists class a production car as one that you can just walk into a dealer and order one. This is something you can't do with many of these cars. This rules out cars such as the enzo and the likes because they are already sold before they are made.

the thing is you can just walk in the dealership in sweden (i think thats where it is) and buy a segg. And i have a hard time believeing that this wont beat a mclearn.

i think its faster than the mclaren too, but Koenigsegg hasn't let it get proven through independent testing....yet

yet is the keyword. They say it is more areo-dynamic and more powerful then the mclearn so i am sure it will beat it. But i wound not mind having both cars :)

Bare in mind the CCR is still a new car, only just heard about it in fact. The reason some cars havnet been top speed tested was the manufactures didnt realy care. I mean ferrari didnt want the enzo to have a high top speed just be quick around the track!..which is a sense is more sensible as there are only a hand full of places around the world which will let you do 240mph+ so why bother designing a car that can technically do over 240mph but in reality cant. I havent full gone through this thread but please say no one has suggested that the buggati veyron is the fastest car?..stupid if they have as it is 2 tons and bugatti said if the owners wish to drive over 200mph they will send them an extra pair of tyres because it puts so much strian on them to do it. Awful car in my opinoon and probably the way things are going wont get into production! :) ....the Koenigsegg gets my vote though!

Guys!

The fastest PRODUCTION CAR ever timed OFFICALLY is the McLaren F1!

There is NO other cars who have CERTIFIED PROOF of obtaining higher top speed as a PRODUCTION CAR!!! :banghead:

No need to babble and wabble about Corvettes. Vipers, Bugattis, blblablablablblalala....

There is faster cars out there, no doubt, but they have not OFFICALLY proven to be!!! :nono:

Imagine a McLaren with twin turbos and NOS for high-speed records! :iceslolan

Guys!

The fastest PRODUCTION CAR ever timed OFFICALLY is the McLaren F1!

There is NO other cars who have CERTIFIED PROOF of obtaining higher top speed as a PRODUCTION CAR!!! :banghead:

No need to babble and wabble about Corvettes. Vipers, Bugattis, blblablablablblalala....

There is faster cars out there, no doubt, but they have not OFFICALLY proven to be!!! :nono:

Imagine a McLaren with twin turbos and NOS for high-speed records! :iceslolan


hi, sorry if i´m wrong now or talking nonsence, but i always thaught that the topspeed of 251 mph of the dauer 962 lm were timed officially? probably i´m wrong!

No, you're not wrong in any way! :naughty:

The Dauer 962 is the fastest road legal car produced in more than 1 unit!
The McLaren is the fastest "roadcar" with a production status which require over 100 units!

Every car has the potnential to be lightining fast if you just spend enough $$ on it!

What matters is what performance it was given by the manufacturer!

i was wondering if any one new what the fastest production car is?.The 3 cars that claim to be the fastest car are the dauer 962 , Bugatti Veyron , and the Koenigsegg CC. Ive heard the dauer 962 is the fastest but i dont know. And about the Bugatti Veyron , is that even a production car?

the veyron goes into production in 05.

I would go with the McLaren F1 has the fastest top speed, but the fastest accelerating car in the world is the Viper Venom 800 Twin Turbo with 0-60 times of 2.2 seconds. The Camaro ZL-1 accelerates 0-60 at 2.3 seconds.

The Saab 9-3 Viggen hits 60 in 2.1 seconds. But it only tops out at 165.

What i think would be a great race is these cars on Nurburgring: TVR Cerbera Speed 12, McLaren F1, Koenigsegg CC V8S, Bugatti Veyron and a 911 GT1.

Buy Project Gotham 2, its the only place you could do that! I still think that its amazing that the McLaren still officially holds the top speed for a production car after over 10 years.

Guys!

The fastest PRODUCTION CAR ever timed OFFICALLY is the McLaren F1!

There is NO other cars who have CERTIFIED PROOF of obtaining higher top speed as a PRODUCTION CAR!!! :banghead:

No need to babble and wabble about Corvettes. Vipers, Bugattis, blblablablablblalala....

There is faster cars out there, no doubt, but they have not OFFICALLY proven to be!!! :nono:

Imagine a McLaren with twin turbos and NOS for high-speed records! :iceslolan

Ya, why don't you slap a couple turbos on the McLaren and watch the pistons detonate because the compression is too high.

The Mclaren f1 is the most amazing car ever made and the Swedeshave proven that. They feel they have to put 2 huge turbos on a v8 to make a massive 800bhp (just less than 200bhp more than the F1) to beat the Mclaren, i still think koenigsegg is the only compnay out their that wants the highest production car speed record, every othe manufacture is aiming at more practical feel and speed round a track. The F1 does it all, speed, looks, handling and i especialy love the LM version!...that would kill a enzo hands down in a straight line and round a track. Bare in mind every single report i have read about Mclaren Vs Enzo, Porsche GT, Lambo etc..every single one says the mclaren is still better despite being 10 years old. One of the best cars ever made!

Yeah I agree, but don't forget the F1 costs 1.5mil, for that price it better be top notch, I mean, for that price I could have stuff off a Fomula one car installed into my 240SX (or buy an Rx7 III), still have tons of cash to bribe gov officials and probably hit 240 mph.
The Enzo though expensive costs less than 1/2 of an F1 and yet gives you performance that rivals it. for the additional .7mil, I could have the enzo upgraded to kill the F1.

you speak the truth. But i think doing an engine upgrade on the likes of a ferrari is like sitting on the queen. Vaguely possible but would not be good idea in the long term

If your going to dis one car and praise another at least get your facts straight, the Koenigsegg does not use twin turbos, it uses a twin-screw compressor, basically a supercharger or (blower), superchargers do not create the type of lag that turbos do, (you don't have to wait for the exhaust gases to get moving) it's force fed straight into the heads, and besides when was the last time you saw an N/A supercar top 115bhp/liter? it's not exactly possible to get 806bhp out of 4.7 liters without some form of forced induction.

McLaren F1 is the fastest Production Car as of now.

I have a Z06 427 Twin Turbo that does 230+, but that dosent count :)

I'm guessing this is the forum for the Rch folks, or the older generation, cuz I'm usually in the 240SX forum, and we are all still saving and putting in double shifts trying to save for those cute chrome intakes, and this guy here is talking about doing 230+mph, Damn, we are still strugling to break into the low 15s in our Rice Mobiles.
I had a 95 T-ram, that I was forced to sell, the only mod in its 2yrs was an oil change and a $10 cone filter.

Can someone here sponsor me or something, 230+mph, my lifes dream is to break 200mph in my 240. As soon as I save up and get a T-56, and some extra cash for the miscellenious stuff, I will have the last piece of the puzzle to finish my Taurus SHO swap into my 240. I want to put a TT on it, they got a kit to get it to 280hp, and ready for some serious boost. so look out mr Lingenfelter, I'M COMING FOR YOUUUUUUuuuuuuU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!



Well as soon as I get the cash, I already got the hraness installed and the LSD, damn, doing stuff by yourself is alot cheaper than paying someone to do it for you.

These guys took a road trip to the Dauer headquarters in Nurnberg, Germany and met with J. Dauer himself... interesting site with pictures and info on the Dauer 962.

http://www.bmwm5.com/articles/germany2/mpowertrip2001-3.htm


In short: Of the original 50 planned just 11 were completed (3 of those currently rot in the SoB parking lots as all of you who follow Sultan matters know...). The 404.6 kph/251.46 mph top speed was apparently reached in the VAG Group oval track near Wolfsburg, Germany so it's not just a wild claim or estimate (there's a video to download too but I haven't - connection too slow). If they used street tyres for the run (and I guess they did since they claim the car to be TUV compliant) this record stands as far as I'm concerned (and as it was a car you could buy and not a prototype I guess it qualifies as production)

Way back in this thread there was chat of the callaway sledge... i noted a comment that the fastest production car ever had to be one available to anyone.

I have two responses to that
1. Is it not enough that the company offered it, even if it was a flop and only sold a couple.
2. Consider the ENZO - can anyone buy that car, i think not, all were sold before prouction, to people they ferrari believed were worthy, and or "good customers"

But anyway, the callaway still stands as the fastest production car.

This is a little off the point, but there is a car which is street legal, did some rallying though. It's a ford probe 3200gt (or something to that extent, i know it sounds like a mazza). it did a similar run 0-100kph in 2.8secs.

And also the Veyron will never reach full production with its current claimed potential. Bugatti's budget won't be extend to pay for the refinement thats required to prevent its high speed twitchiness. And the saturation of the supercar market will prevent serious sales.

The Chrysler ME four-twelve has to be the most exciting concept car ot there, but will never make production also due to the saturation issues

Yes the Sledgehammer is a very impressive car. Callaway knew what he was doing and the fact that the 880 hp engine was tractable with a steady idle and could be driven easily like your normal 911 (within reason) says a lot about the serious engineering expertise that went into that machine - especially compared to many of todays 4-figure horsepower modifieds. It's no coincidence that Callaway was assigned to work on the V8 Aston Martin engine produced in the early 90s for the Virage model. BUT was it a production car? As I mentioned in another thread the car made the record run on slick tyres as safety on the normal treaded tyres was an issue (http://www.z06-corvette.com/super/sledgehammer.htm). Callaway certainly would be obliged to pay large development costs to a tyre company to make a special street tyre with an unheard-of speed rating... (unless they made one for free publicity, in any case it didn't happen). Tyres ARE important. Even today VW tells us that in order to reach the 250mph+ speed the Veyron has to be fitted with track tyres (among other problems).


And yes I agree that ''generally available to the public'' (who made that rule anyway?) doesn't really need to be an issue. An Enzo was less available than the single Sledgehammer for sure. Shortly after the highspeed test it was available for sale to anybody who had the cash and certainly there was no customer-filtering like with the Ferrari!
Finally don't forget that fastest car means fastest top speed and not fastest acceleration...

If you all are still talking about the fastest production car, go to http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/record.html , it is the Ultima GTR, and it is only 1/10 the cost of a McLaren. My dad owns one of these Ultimas, not quite as quick, but close.. check it out

Impressive, but it tops out at 200 mph... It is generally agreed that ''fastest production car'' points to top speed rather than acceleration and decelaration times. I envy you for having one though no question :grinyes:

I didn't realise the Ultima boasts such spectacular performance stats.

There seems to be a good market for these ultra fast go-karts that come in under the silly prices of the likes of the SLR and porsche gt.

But back to fastest production car, i mention the callaway not only because of its 0-100 time but also its top speed of something to the extent of 405. Because they placed a set of race tyres on for safety and performance does not detract from the fact it is a production vehicle. Does a sprinter who runs 9.78 for the 100 wearing a pair of running spikes not get the title of fastest man in the world, should the fastest man be one who runs in no shoes???

And should they be forced to check the high speed on a main road not a race track??

It is not illegal to drive on a road with what amounts to race bread tyres. However, comfort,cost and safety generally means most cars don't.

What speed have we got up to now? The Bugatti Veyron tops out at 252mph/406kph

I'm sorry but in most parts of the world (USA as well) it is ILLEGAL to drive on public roads on slicks. We have to stick with ''production'' otherwise we'd be talking about full racing dragsters which are way faster than all of these cars! (I guess you could fire up a top fuel on a street light and ''be the fastest'' but you'd be arrested for that! The Sledgehammer was recorded at exactly 410 kph (254.76 mph) on shaved (slick) tyres. It was unsafe/unstable at those speeds with grooved road tyres. Hence we don't know how fast it would have gone with road tyres. The point is it might have run slower than the McLaren F1 which was clocked at 391 kph (243 mph) on normal road tyres . At those speeds every part of the car is stressed to the total extreme. We just don't know which would be faster all things being equal and production. That doesn't mean I don't admire Reeves Callaway's work! Ofcourse the exact same goes for the McLaren... and I hope you realise I don't compare the two cars on the whole so I hope no one flames me for that! Another car that might be a contender is the Dauer 962 (see earlier post) of which it's unclear under what conditions it reached the 251.46 mph (details on this feat are hard to come by on the net unlike the Sledge and F1 heroics). One car that is definitely not a contender is the Veyron which is still untested under any kind of conditions slicks or no slicks or whatever!

And the same goes for a zillion other prototypes that are never going to be tested like the ME4-12 or the 300mph Tomahawk bike (yeah right. :screwy: )

The unfortunate thing about this argument is that the callaway is a production car, it has the highest recorded speed, therefore it is the fastest. not really too much to argue about. And i am lead to believe the tyres were grooved slicks, (do not say that is inherently juxstposed - because that's obvious. Look at formula 1 tyres for the definition, they are termed grooved slicks) which are by definition street legal despite their race heritage.

http://www.yokohamatire.com/TireIntro.asp?TireID=2

http://www.yokohamatire.com/TireIntro.asp?TireID=60

for example!

also i forgot, but in a link u put in earlier u directed everyone to this site,well the parent of this site, if u read the article, especially this page they have a yarn about the tyre choice.
http://www.z06-corvette.com/super/corvette-sledgehammer-14.jpg

OK, now combine the scanned article with this on the same page.....''Goodyear was instrumental in supplying tires for the occasion: ZR40 Gatorbacks from the standard
production molds, but constructed more like a racing tire. Treads were then shaved to preventheat buildup and chunking , while mounting was on standard Callaway Dymag magnesium rims.''

This is how I see it: basically they were custom made slicks (not off-the-rack racing slicks). Racing/road hybrids but with no tread i.e. not legal... and this is what matters.

PS. Also note in the scan that while on the track the car used 107 octane fuel which is a fuel unavailable outside racing. Of course you could always carry your own special fuel with you!

thats what fuel tanks are for aren't they

you have read too much into the tyre issue - i believe the tyres weren't shaved to full racing slicks,as i previously stated, but comparable to the tyres available today, that is minimal tread.

still all beside the point, the car is a production car

But it's not a production car if it's not road legal.....

..and yes fuel tanks are for carrying the fuel but refuelling on a gas station with 107-octane isn't an option :grinno:

The fastest street car must be a Donkervoort. It's a lot faster then the Carrera GT and even the enzo. On the Nordschleife it was 17 seconds quicker per lap than a Carrera GT and whith only 270bhp to do it.

Fastest around the Nord' is one thing, absolute top speed quite another... and this thread was always about the latter.

The tyres were a custom made version of what is available today. 1980s, the technology and tyre choice was not as wide. but the tyres are street legal.

the enzo, nissan patrol, f50, lincoln navigator, the new hideous ford suv/ute are all very much illegal to drive through much of the UK, are they not prduction cars??

Useless point, but its great fun reading your replies 993...

The tyres were a custom made version of what is available today. 1980s, the technology and tyre choice was not as wide. but the tyres are street legal.

the enzo, nissan patrol, f50, lincoln navigator, the new hideous ford suv/ute are all very much illegal to drive through much of the UK, are they not prduction cars??




You just don't know if those tyres were legal so let's just leave it at that.
........as for the rest of your comment I can only answer this: man, what are you ON?

shaved, does not denote brought back to slicks, doing that would create severe tyre instability. The tyre was brought back to lesser tread depth to prevent gas and heat pockets which can form the bass of large grooves and are able to sheare off a piece of tread , this therefore maintains the integrety of the tyre and basically street legal. (dependent on the exact depth of the grooves, some countries have more lax laws with regard to groove depth, but anyway millions of ppl drive around everyday on shitty tyres, trying to risk my life for me) Which brings me back to my other point regarding different countries/regions having different regulations.

Oh and i forgot to mention, if u drive by any decent servo or car mart or auto store (whatever u call it) then u'll find fuel addatives, which boost your octane levels (aka fucking your car up, unless ur driving a top shelf vehicle), i saw one the other day that promissed 104octane from 98. And that was at a dodgy little shell.

I must say the McLaren F1. But not for long... Veyron baby. 252mph.

"The car is electronically limited to 400km/h (248 mph)" I know its just 4 mph but still.... (Veyron)

Translation from autobild.de with the help of AltaVista (you'll get the point!)

Speed record.
Faster's did not go.
A Porsche 911 of the tuner 9ff set up a new speed record for to road-certified vehicles - to 388 km/h.

12.12.2004 - Nardo. The speed world record for to road-certified vehicles comes again made of Germany. Nearly six years, after McLaren with the F1 had screwed the record mark on 386,7 km/h, the measuring pole slipped again a bit more highly.

Jan Fatthauer, owner and chief engineer of 9ff, drove the record maximum personally: 388 km/h on the round course of Nardo. The 9ff-V400 on basis Porsche 996 GT2 carries out 840 HP and 880 Nm torque - for achievement enough, in order to lift the sportsman theoretically over the 400 km/h mark.

Contact 9ff Fahrzeugtechnik GmbH, 44319 Dortmund, www.9ff.de

(original german article here: http://www.autobild.de/aktuell/neuheiten/artikel.php?artikel_id=7707#)

Since the Sledgehammer story is done to death thought I bring in a new hopefull :biggrin:

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/61380.1.jpg
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Rush with your order they only plan to make about 20!

Guinness book of World Records says the McLaren F1 is the fastest production road car. *aftermarket cars idk but factoy is McLaren* at 255.48 they did a re-run 2 years in teh salt flats here in america.

That's news to me. That's way faster than the 240-243mph previously recorded. Any link?

I'll try to find it till then here Bugatti 16/4 veyron and Dauer 962 top speeds.
2002 Bugatti 16/4 veyron 252.3mph
Dauer 962 250 mph.
http://www.supercars.net/index-top.html

Its nice to see a porsche way up there. No doubt will sell very well, especially if the Sultan was still buying whole race car teams. What are they asking for it??

And do they make it in right hand drive (let me guess...no)

And with different wheels...hideous

Last I heard the SoB isn't buying any more cars (actually it was his brother who was buying them and was deported from the country because of his ''decadent'' lifestyle
:grinno: )

You can contact info@9ff.de for a quote.... as a guide for a previous evolution of the car (744PS/372kph) they were asking 248000 euros (320000 US). This one can't be more than 300000 euro. Cheap for the performance!

If it's possible and you have the cash I'm sure they'll make you a RHD...

2002 Bugatti 16/4 veyron 252.3mph


2002? :grinno:
make that 2005 and counting :rolleyes:
we're still waiting to see that headline-news test run...

That was the model of the car that clocked that speed. Damn that is cheap for the performance. with enzo's and mclarens in the 500k-1mil range.

The sultan and his brother bought the vehicles. His brother fell out of favour with the sultan for making a significant mess of BIA (Brunei investment agency) way back in 99, that company directly effects a lot of the sultan's wealth. The sultan was not pleased with the whole falling and decided not to follow on with the passion they shared.

The TVR Speed 12 only made 500 Cars.

The TVR Speed 12 only made 500 Cars.

they wish.... they only made 1-2 prototypes

Apparently on the day of my last post this happened:

http://www.uberrides.com/us/archives/2005/03/koenigsegg_ccr_1.php

This standard production Koenigsegg reached 388kph in Nardo. Here it is hours later in the Geneva Salon.....

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/DSC01466.1.jpg (http://www.theimagehosting.com)

some more links on this

http://www.m6board.com/articles.php?id=29&page=3
http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/magazine/3300.asp?id=12376


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hi to all ,For anone who is wondering the fastest made production car is the ford rs200 evolution which would set you back around £300,000 if you look it up you will find out i am right. the thing is they are hard to find as only 24 were ever made.

so now you know

McLaren F1 all the way!!

hi to all ,For anone who is wondering the fastest made production car is the ford rs200 evolution which would set you back around £300,000 if you look it up you will find out i am right. the thing is they are hard to find as only 24 were ever made.

so now you know
Could be the fastest accelerating 0-60mph (clocked something like 3.07 I think) but not the fastest....

the ford rs200 evo fastest road test 0-100 3.09

Ultima 640 GTR? :dunno:

The record was beat by a car called a Koenensig? It spanked pretty hard on the other top speeds by several MPH I think Ill look for the link it was a pretty big deal. (Dont kill me if it was mentioned theres 8 pages on this topic) But this Koenensig did break the record.

Sorry, but like i said, it's no longer the F1. It was dethroned. The F1's record was 242 miles per hour, then came the Koenigsegg CCR, who's record is 243 miles per hour. it is a beautiful car though. THe door system is unbelievable, the engineer who came up with it had been working on it for 3 years.

Ultima GTR
0-60...2.7sec
0-100...5.5sec
0-150...11.8 sec
0-100-0...9.8 sec
100-0...3.6sec
1.176g skidpad
top speed recorded on track so far 231mph

official record holder for highest recorded skidpad #, fastest 0 to 100 and back to 0 ( a full second faster than the F1 ) and the record holder for shortest distance from 0 to 100 (recorded on a wet track even!)

all this in a production car for around $100k built or they will ship you a crate full of pieces for $40k, take your pick.

can be found at www.ultimasports.co.uk/gtr

The record was beat by a car called a Koenensig? It spanked pretty hard on the other top speeds by several MPH I think Ill look for the link it was a pretty big deal. (Dont kill me if it was mentioned theres 8 pages on this topic) But this Koenensig did break the record.
I won't kill you but it was mentioned on the same page about 7 short posts above :p (and there's a nice big picture of the record car for all to see too...).




(...as we wait for the official top speed of the Bugatti Veyron..)

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AMS chief editor Bernd Ostmann has been the first mag tester that had the pleasure to ride 400+ in the EB 16.4 Bugatti Veyron at VW test course Ehra-Lessien...

For the metric challenged
402 kph is 249.9 mph
100 kph is 62mph
200 kph is 124mph
25 meters is 82 feet
1950 kg is 4299 lbs!
some impressions what he said about that day...

the track has been kinda damp in the morning, kinda scary at 400km/h, so 111m/sec without crash barries like in Nardo, well not really, rear wing setup to 2° so 40 to 50kg downforce at rear axle engineers promise that this´ll be enough for a smooth ride even on wet pavement...
through the first corner with 220 easily - absolute brutal accelerating up to 300 within seconds a light left hand bend with 380 - looking into the rear mirror - just an enormous spray but just like they told the EB16.4 is a very smooth car to ride even at that speeds...
the sepcial Michelin tires are working just perfect, they were tested up to 500km/h and before a high speed run they require 3bar pressure - this is one of the points the driver has to go through with a check list and a second car key to unlock the high speed mode - here the two front diffusor flaps are closed, the rear wing selects 2° and the body is lowered to 6.5cm front and 7cm rear a sepecial system is monitoring everything and when only one parameter is not ok the car automatically switches to handling-mode...
the first run ended with "only" 380km/h - the car switched to handling because the exhaust temperatures reached critical 970°C - cooling down the car at 220 or 5000rpm in 4th gear...
the weather gets better, it´s much warmer now and engineers force the AMS team to "act" - next run 398km/h - this time it´s the driver´s fault as he has enabled the A/C on the previous cooling lap costing some km/h on that fast run - so again a cooling lap and then full concentration on the last run with nearly 400 the rpm showed 5800 in 7th gear, now it shows 6200rpm at a speed of 402km/h ...

braking is again a new experience 31.4m (!!!) from 100 to 0 with a 1950kg car...

on the other hand acceleration is also outstanding - measured 25m long black rubber from all four wheels after the standard sprint with launch-control - result: 2.5sec to 100 and 7.3 to 200 :shock:

on a side note - at 400 km/h the EB16.4 needs ONE liter fuel for ONE kilometer so they calculated every 12min a gas station on autobahn when driving 400


With that kind of fuel consumption, gas prices really need to go down!

you seem to be missing the point of this thread, its fastest PRODUCTION car, not fastest car ever. the bugatti is a 1 off concept, not a production. so as i stated several times already, the Mclaren F1 SuperCar, IS the fastest PRODUCTION Car Ever Made.

you seem to be missing the point of this thread, its fastest PRODUCTION car, not fastest car ever. the bugatti is a 1 off concept, not a production. so as i stated several times already, the Mclaren F1 SuperCar, IS the fastest PRODUCTION Car Ever Made.

1. The buggatti.... IS a supercar and yes it IS a production car. Thats why there have been hundreds of offers. Why do you think it was sent back into saftey test? I don't know... Maybe cause it has to meet road regulations since it's a production car! Read your fact's. Buggatti has blaitently stated they were going for the world's fastest production car!

2.If you don't count that as a PRODUCTION car then I guess that makes the Koenigsegg CCR the fastest. Do your Hw... :nono:

Of course it's a production car :rolleyes:. And they plan to make more than the 70 or so road cars McLaren made.. I mean really :grinno:

I believe this topic is over and done with (at least for a long time to come..)

thanks for the pics JSC, now I don't have to buy it!

the mclaren f1 does indeed hold the fastest productin car title however it is easy to produce a car that is faster without much effort a nissan skylione is a good base to start with ,you have to replace the engine,running gear and transmission however , but this can be done at a fraction of the price of a f1.also a a footnote a good streetracer from japan with 20 to 30k to spend on his car can build somthing that will blow away a mclaren f1 without a problem think about it a million against a hundred thousand . money and power are nothing without the knowledge of how to use it wisely.

buggati fastest car ha ha yeah ok if you want to pick concept cars can i pick modified to the hilt production cars ha ha seem fair bet i can find a quicker one than the buggatti !

People still insist on calling the Veyron a concept car..... mind-boggling... :rolleyes:

... Also I would be interested in knowing more about that 400km/h Skyline...

The R34...

http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/32699/

...which run 346 km/h (215 mph)...

mclaren- "junk"
saleen s7-real car(245mph)

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Saleen says the S7 Twin Turbo is capable of hitting 235 mph.

"Expect a future intercooled version with almost twice the boost [5.5 psi] to make over 1000 bhp."

- Road & Track

Can't you downsize those pic be fore uploading them? Theyr'e a bitch to look at that size

The answers to all your questions:

http://www.supercarworld.com/records.html

(note asterisks indicate claimed figures only)

An older list

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Saleen S7 takes on Veyron

Wednesday 7th December 2005

autoexpress.co.uk

Saleen is now offering buyers of its 750 bhp S7 Twin Turbo supercar the option of a 'performance upgrade'. It costs £46,500 on top of the S7's £320,000 list price and boosts the 7-litre twin-turbo V8 to a claimed 1000 bhp. Coupled with a relatively light kerbweight of 1338 kg, the huge power should allow the S7 to challenge the Bugatti Veyron as the fastest production car in the world. And with 75 examples of the S7 already delivered in the US, the Saleen certainly has every right to claim the title.

Even with the 'cooking' 750bhp engine, the S7 Twin Turbo is said to be good for a sub-three second run to 60 mph, and 100 mph flashes up in a claimed six seconds flat. Currently Saleen claims a top speed of 240 mph for the S7 Twin Turbo but with the 1000 bhp upgrade there are whispers that the car has already topped over 260 mph in testing.

(end of article)

"Expect a future intercooled version with almost twice the boost to make over 1000 bhp."

- Road & Track

The new S7 Twin Turbo runs 5.5 psi of boost.

check the link for the Saleen S7 and S7R

Saleen S7 and S7R (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=379893)

It was only a matter of time.... :evillol:

That's gonna be insane :evillol:

Even faster runs from the Veyron : 407.5 km/h (253.26 mph) in Ehra-Lessien test track, Germany under TUV supervision:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron_16.4#Performance

And 415 km/h (257.92 mph) in Salt Flats, Utah:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron#400_km.2Fh

That's even faster than the 1-off Sledgehammer

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I found this article from german mag AutoBild on supercars.net. It's about the desert testing of the Veyron.

http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=58942

Apparently they had some problems with the high elevation (the turbos starved for air and output dropped to "only" about 900 hp) and the sand (the tyres dug in over 3 cm at 350 km/h ). So it seems they probably never reached the 257 mph mark. Officially 253mph/407.5kph is the top speed. I think even more amazing is the 2.46 sec time for the 0-100kph (62mph) run though :eek: