Nissan Skyline GT-R R35 Concept Photos

[Moppie]

Originally posted by R35
There is no law that says the manufactures have to keep their cars under 280hp (it is a gentlemans agreement). However if you have a car with hp over what the manufacture has listed then you have to pay a tax on it. Now that is law.

Thank, you. You put it far clearer than I could.

It been prophersied in most of the magazines that the gentlemans agreement won't last much longer.
Technology has reached a point where 280hp is too easy to each, and they are getting tired of just smothing out the Torqie curve.
I would expect the new GTR to be in the 300hp+ range, and that all the other manufactors will follow suit.
The age of the true Japanese super car is about to be upon us, everything before was just getting the technology sorted, and preparing the market palce for cars that will be able to compete head to head with the greats like Ferrari and porshe not only in terms of measured performance (which they now come pretty close to) but also in terms of driver involvment, and in asthetic apeal. (which is something the likes of Ferrari have always been best at).
Only the Japanese cars will be cheaper, more reliable and more avliable to the masses. (alibit the rich ones. )

[Drift-N]

Originally posted by Shin-Kai Racing
Personally, I like the RB26DETT, and yes, it will fit. Anything else will be a pain in the a$$ to work on with very limited room. I can imagine that you'd need a trained moneky to access areas where humans could not without completely removing the engine. Heh! Heh!

Dale
SKR Performance

I like the new concept. It needs a RB26DETT. Besides, this is the engine that powers all GTRs. A V6 just doesn't seem right. Maybe it's just me. I hope Nissan sticks with its 1000+HP capable motor. :toothless

[SkylinR35GTRx]

About the 280 gentlemen rule, i don't know much, but i know that the BMW's M3's stock is 333, and m5's are 394, so they aren't really agreeing to it. Also, all the AMG Benz are more than 300, around 300-370 maybe. The Lexus GS is also at the 300 hp mark, but those cars are heavy....so i guess that cancels out. Still, i hope it will be more than 280....

[F20C]

This is what I remember however if I am wrong then please correct me.

Basically it states this; The Japanese government doesn't want Japanese manufacture to advertise cars with over 280ps. For many reasons such as environmental and safety etc. However it doesn't mean they can't produce cars over 280ps. All the japanese supercars have over 280ps.
There has been 3 cars that have broken this mutal agreement. One was a limited amount Skyline race car that had 400+hp. The other being Honda NSX. The last one happen recently with the introduction of Nissan Cima(Q45). Traditonally Japanese manufacture have complain because rest of the world's supercar doesn't get effected by this mutal agreement. One of their concerns was being shorthanded on marketing. Dodge etc could market the Viper for it's full 450hp while Japanese manfucature can't.

[F20C]

Also one more thing there is another way around the 280ps Gentleman agreement which is through eletric motors. That's why you see Nissan and Honda making hybrid concept supercars. The hp generate from electric motor doesn't have to be included in the 280ps. Therefore allowing the Japanese manufacture to change their marketing to better position themselves.

[Da Hawxxx]

The German manufactors also have a gentle agreement right? stock cars won't pass 250 km/h ( about 160 m/h i believe ) only Porsche is breaking that agreement, i believe AMG and M too.

[Moppie]

I think the german agreement only applies to sedans, and lesser models. (if there is such a thing) Mostly for cars that dont have the areodynamics for extremly high speed travel.
Its more to stop them getting in trouble if people get carried away and fly off the road at 300kmh in thier new 540i

[Shin-Kai Racing]

To clarify my point- when I bought my R32 GT-R (new), as well as my R33 GT-R (new) (both gone from the stable now), hp rating on the paperwork was 280hp. Yes, I do agree, there was plenty more underneath the hood, and I don't think myself or the dealer were fooled by paper hp rating. As R35 states and as I stated, anything done to extract the additional ponies trapped underneath the guise of say, emissions control, etc. must be documented and paperwork must be filed with LTO in Japan to stay legal. I found out the hard way as a dumba$$ just once (isn't it funny how your friends never say anything to you with regards to a hazard until after the fact? Everyone's a critic/subject matter expert on things that don't happen to them), but I didn't go down that road again with my pants down.

At this point, I think we're flogging a dead horse.

Here's something interesting to read:

Sure, many in Japan still do mods and don't document, but these are the same guys who go through the painstaking measures of removing all aftermarket goodies and reinstalling the OEM pieces prior to inspection in order to try to get by on the cheap. These same guys end up going back through the effort of removing the OEM pieces and then reinstalling the aftermarket stuff. As of late, the omari-san (police)have been roving around in packs with roadblock stuff and a van full of tools and corraling the late night car meet folks and doing on the spot inspections on cars (don't try to haul a$$; you will get chased down by the guys on superbikes). Cars found with undocumented mods have the mods removed there right on the spot courtesy of the cop-provided "detuning" staff. If your car is rendered immobile, oh well, you get fined for that, the illegal mod and you get to also pay the tow fee and the impound fee, as well as your court fees. The reason for the crackdown is because of the increase in vehicle/vehicle-related deaths found mostly with modded cars, stupid bench racers, wangan runners who can't judge the inversely proportional relationship of speed/distance/time and stationary/slow-moving objects.

Dale
SKR

[Chris]

Dont you hate it when dumbasses are stupid and ruin it for the rest of us???
Look at Germany. on the Autobahn, there are less deaths per distance travelled than on the Interstates, or on average all the country's roads.
And they drive up insurance rates, etc,etc,

[Chris]

and a seven-speed CVT gearbox is planned

CVT's dont have gears, they are CONTINOUSLY VARIABLE. You may be able to select certain 'ratios' (belt length and pulley size), but it is not REALLY gears.

[black019]

7-sp? wow

[R33]

In Malaysia, it's always easy to mod a car and get it approved by the authority. No fixed rule. But as far as I know certain things are not allowed namely, engine swaps may be made but engine mounting muat be the same - no welding etc. The general rule is that the safety aspects must also be improved proportionately to the increase ion power ie brakes must be chaneged, suspension upgraded. Noise level from the exhaust is also limited to a certain dB.
But hell, enforcement is so lacking over here that almost all modded cars do not have approval As opposed to the Japanese authorities, the authority over here can't for their life differentiate a turbo from a air filter:hehehe: All they know is whether an exhaust is too loud or the spoiler is too big or whether the tinted glass is too dark! And to them the fastest car on the planet is a Porsche! Everytime you are stopped for speeding you will be asked "can this car go any faster than a Porsche?" If you go to the station to pay your fine, the officer will ask "is your car a Porsche?". The other day I was filling up at a petrol kiosk and 2 officers came and asked "is this a Skyline? Is it faster than a Porsche?" (that was an improvement because they actually know it is a Skyline! But the Porsche question will always be there!!
Some of them can be cheeky. My friend was stopped in his F355 doing about 160kph (1oomph) and the officer asked why he was not doing 260kph like a Porsche!
So, if you drive a Porsche here, your the king and won't be stopped for anything!

[black019]

Originally posted by R33
In Malaysia, it's always easy to mod a car and get it approved by the authority. No fixed rule. But as far as I know certain things are not allowed namely, engine swaps may be made but engine mounting muat be the same - no welding etc. The general rule is that the safety aspects must also be improved proportionately to the increase ion power ie brakes must be chaneged, suspension upgraded. Noise level from the exhaust is also limited to a certain dB.
But hell, enforcement is so lacking over here that almost all modded cars do not have approval As opposed to the Japanese authorities, the authority over here can't for their life differentiate a turbo from a air filter:hehehe: All they know is whether an exhaust is too loud or the spoiler is too big or whether the tinted glass is too dark! And to them the fastest car on the planet is a Porsche! Everytime you are stopped for speeding you will be asked "can this car go any faster than a Porsche?" If you go to the station to pay your fine, the officer will ask "is your car a Porsche?". The other day I was filling up at a petrol kiosk and 2 officers came and asked "is this a Skyline? Is it faster than a Porsche?" (that was an improvement because they actually know it is a Skyline! But the Porsche question will always be there!!
Some of them can be cheeky. My friend was stopped in his F355 doing about 160kph (1oomph) and the officer asked why he was not doing 260kph like a Porsche!
So, if you drive a Porsche here, your the king and won't be stopped for anything!

so what do you drive?

[GTR-33]

As stated in his story, R33 drives an R33 GTR.....

[F20C]

So if you drive a Porsche they won't give you speeding tickets?