Nissan Skyline GT-R R35 Concept Photos

[F20C]

Originally posted by Chris
Personally, I think they should be able to make a GT-R profitable. Look at the Honda S2000, 5000 cars and making money. SO it can be done.

You do know that Honda doesn't earn money by producing S2000. The R&D money is re-gained when other models uses some of the technology developed for S2000. Last year Honda sold almost 10000 S2000 so much about the 5000 a year plan. The market was mostly in the US market whereas rest of world have turn cold.

[F20C]

Originally posted by Skyline R35





hope the pix work, and sorry for the large size

You didn't happen to post it on Superhonda did you? I saw those pics about 6 months ago. By the way you should go apply at Nissan.

[black019]

i dont like those wheels

[Skyline R35]

yeah, i think we did post some pix of my friend's model on that site, mine might have been there as well. his was an acura concept, here's a shot, the quality of the pic isnt as good tho....



about my wheels, well, i should have came up with my own design, i know... but i'm in love with the TE37's, so i tried to replicate those..

[Shin-Kai Racing]

Everything is under speculation. It is true that Nissan was in trouble prior to the buy-in by Renault (60-40 split). To say that they got in trouble mainly due to different platforms is not all true. A lagging economy, worser than the US (review economics in Japan since the economic bubble burst during the late 80s) more than likely accelerated decline in profit margins in all sectors. We witnessed unprecedented layoffs (unheard of before), bankruptcies by major firms, major corporate scandals, improper management and mismanagement, etc. What came about from 1997 to present during the aftermath is more relaxation of foreign firms operating in Japan, making it more hospitable to foreign corporate takeovers/buyouts/bailouts of what had been traditionally Japanese-owned business. We saw that with the heavy influx of banking/investment powerhouses, like Merrill-Lynch and the introduction of Citibank. In summary, there aren't that many big Japanese businesses left that aren't co-managed/co-invested by foreign money and management teams. With that came new ideas (thinking outside the box; efficiency assessments, et al) and the push for efficiency in areas that can most benefit from it (shedding off tired platforms, eradicating holdover depts where automization can do the job, harnessing new technology, etc.) Nissan is in that mode now.

As to chassis sharing, Nissan has been sharing chassis with many of their lines previous to the Renault marriage. Case in point is the S13/S14/S15 line, whether it be Silvia/180SX. Also, let's look at the Skyline family- plain old Skyline, Skyline GT, Skyline GTS-t, and GT-R. Even the Stagea (stationwagon on steroids) shared the same chassis. Leopard and Laurel. We can go on and on. It should also be stated that all of the cars have shared popularity with many segments of the Japanese market, and that the market analysis folks in Japan have done a great job on finding out what the customers on their home turf want.

In summary (again), everybody is on the efficiency trip (as should be; an edict to good business practice). Moppie, I agree with you on the sharing of same basic underlying platform and reskinning. Anything else is merely speculation. Good business practice also tells you don't shoot your show-winning horse (GT-R sales have always been good), and don't try to feed your specialized market what you feed to the mases (GT-R isn't meant for everybody; never was) or you soon lose them to someone else (BMW M3). We in Japan have not been told RB26DETT is a dead option, and Junya across the street at Nissan Red Stage in Nagatsuta (got a kick-a$$ JTCC R34 in the showroom) tells me likewise.

Dale
SKR Performance

[Da Hawxxx]

Well, they certainly kept this one quiet! The surprise star of last week's Tokyo Motor Show was Nissan's next-generation GT-R sports car. Only hours before its debut, the company wouldn't confirm its supercar was waiting in the wings.
But with the silver paintwork barely dry, Nissan president Carlos Ghosn unveiled the flagship concept. Rest assured it will be built, and when it hits Europe, probably in two years, will be badged GT-R. The familiar Skyline name won't appear as that's reserved for a four-door model, the 300 GT. That goes on sale in the US next year and should come to Europe in 2003.

As with previous GT-Rs, the latest model has a huge front airdam and grille, plus Ferrari-style tail lights. Other features, including the headlights, are from Nissan's 350Z coupé. The company remained tight-lipped about mechanical details, and there may be a good reason for that. The GT-R will face tough competition from Japanese rival Honda, which is set to replace the NSX with a new model that may be powered by the hi-tech petrol/electric hybrid system used by the Dual Note car seen in last week's issue. Rumours are rife that Nissan plans an electrically assisted mechanical set-up for the

GT-R, as this would beat Japanese engine output rules by using electric power. Lightweight motors mounted in the wheel hubs will not only increase output, but also aid traction. On a more conventional note, a company source hinted that in place of the current

GT-R's 2.6-litre straight-six, the newcomer will boast a tuned version of the 350Z's 3.5-litre V6 with twin-turbos pumping out more than 400bhp. The computerised four-wheel drive of the current model remains, and a seven-speed CVT gearbox is planned.

source: autoexpress.co.uk

again... nothing but speculation

[Shin-Kai Racing]

Good point Da Hawxxx with regards to the electrical hybrids. As everyone knows with the current Japanese law of 280hp max from the factory, using electrical assistance is a loophole. Of course, I am certain with the right tuning, the petrol side of the house can be tapped for more horses, but then again, doing that could potentially upset the balance between the electrical side and the petrol side. What do I know, I'm not an electrical engineer.I suppose we are at the dawn of a new era of tuning. I know that the electrics do kick a$$, as witnessed at Pikes Peak (you don't need to take into consideration the atmosphere, etc when running on electric) when the electrical entrants just wailed on the forced induction guys.

I suppose someone versed in the area of hybrids could help shed light on this subject.

Dale
SKR

[Morpheus XIII]

Just had a thought about the engine choice discussion...

Nissan is really proudly pushing their 'front-midship' (FM) configuration, where the engine is located behind the front suspension, but in front of the driver. A V-6 would obviously fit well into such a small sandwiched space (and hence the short hood length) but wouldn't an RB inline-6 negate this whole FM promotion? Yes, it would fit (if a V-8 can be shoehorned into a Miata, then this can be done) but the balance and weight distribution of the car would change.

Nissan's new Altimas, 350Zs, Stageas, and G35/Skyline GTs all use the same new corporate chassis from the XVL concept car, and all use the same VQ-series motor. The GT-R will probably end up with the same underpinnings, mechanical and structural, but with reinforcements and power adders for 'GT-R duty'. And that's not a bad thing at all. The RB was heaven-sent, but the VQ is a really nicely developed powerplant, as well.

[Da Hawxxx]

GT-R isn't meant for everybody; never was

BY Shin-Kai Racing

Good point, guess it's soo true......... GT-R just isn't ment for me

[Moppie]

Originally posted by Shin-Kai Racing
Good point Da Hawxxx with regards to the electrical hybrids. As everyone knows with the current Japanese law of 280hp max from the factory, using electrical assistance is a loophole.

Its not a LAW. Its a voluntary gentlemens agreement with in the manufactors. There is nothing stopping them from breacking it, and its pretty common knowledge that if you dyno a R34 GTR, or a 22B inpreza, or a new WRX STI or an EVO VII you will find there more than 280hp at the crank.
Even the NSX has 300hp in its latest form.

[Da Hawxxx]

tell that to the guys at autoexpress, feeling kinda offended

[Moppie]

Originally posted by Da Hawxxx
tell that to the guys at autoexpress, feeling kinda offended

Don't be offened by it, its a common miss conception.

[Shin-Kai Racing]

Ooooh kay, Moppie. I guess my being a half-Japanese native who works and lives part of the year in Yokohama and with the automotive aftermarket parts folks doesn't qualify my statement that 280hp is all that you will see posted as for hp figures on an all petrol-powered performance car you buy off the lot in Japan without doing the aftermarket tuning you need to crack open the bottle to unleash the dormant hps lying in wait (a lot of words there).

Explain it to me when I take my car to the Land Tax Office (LTO) for inspection and they nail me for for anything posted over 280 on the dyno that I didn't give them knowledge of beforehand (mandatory requirement of taking your car to the LTO for any mods done over factory). A gentlemen's agreement, you say.

There's no law for being over 280hp, but you better damn sure take your car in to have the shaken (paperwork) adjusted and pay your fees for the change or you will be penalized. I don't agree with it, but it is the law.

Dale
SKR Performance

[Moppie]

Then how does Honda explain a 300hp NSX?
I think your getting confused with having a factory car with 300hp and having a modified car that used to have say only 250hp and now has 350hp.
The factory car with more than 280hp is quite legal, but the car modified from stock needs the extra paperwork.
Otherwise how does Ferrari sell cars there? or does this law only a apllie to the domestics? In which case how do you explain the R35s and EVO VII all having more than 280hp at the flywheel? (which I have seen on standard cars imported here.)

[R35]

There is no law that says the manufactures have to keep their cars under 280hp (it is a gentlemans agreement). However if you have a car with hp over what the manufacture has listed then you have to pay a tax on it. Now that is law.

No matter what country taxes are taxes and they are a part of the lab