What Engine???

[Toyrolla]

Originally Posted by sidler73

AT NO POINT WILL Putting a 3sGTE engine EVER BE simple, inexpensive or for the amatuer to attempt or try without thousands to spend.....Contact the "smokin" fella he will give you his $1000-$1500 "improvment budget" and you will GO BACK and READ how I told him to make his car go faster.

Ok....this thread is over....done

If this guy chooses to stick with his preference, then so be it.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.....

Boogergrom, you know what you know; and I understand.
But, if Sidler73 chooses to think the way he's thinking then let him be.

Doesn't make it right or wrong, it's just a matter of preference.

What Ya Smoking knows his options, he will do what he wants to do.

Good luck to all....

[sidler73]

toyota nation.........UN-boring

[jamesOC]

OMG

OMG I just got back from a visit to sidler73's shop and equipment. If you want to make power and see what it takes to make power you should do yourself a favour and make the trip all I can say is holy holy man. They have some stuff there making real power. They have a Dyno room second to none clean and setup for one thing. The most amazing thing is the way they the keep an engine at one tempurature 400 gallons of coolant on hand to dyno test blocks with. Everything is taken into account although I forget most of it. While I was there I read a Lucas Oils report on the acuracy of their equipment, a Castrol report, even a Toyota Ca. executive report that reccomends their shop. This place will blow you away. The knowledge, the mods, the experimental ideas development. It is hard not to get caught up in a whirlwind and come away so overloaded.
While I was there I had a chance to watch this kid come in with a twin turbo setup on his vtec civic engine. The manufacturer promised the kid well over 400hp on this 2.2liter(stroked) engine at a cost of approx, $4,500 for the bolt on kit. After setting up the engine on the dyno and making a baseline pass then making a full throttle pass that climed up just over 6,000 rpm the result was 296 hp WOW just incredible. The team worked on the engine making a total of 9 passes eventually squeezing and amazing 315hp.

Sidler and his team took me onto the local 1/4 mile strip and showed me setup and traction modifications. I was able to squeak out a .6 of a sec faster down to 14.8 time by adding torsion traction response parts and a wicked custom cool air intake, that is actually cooling fan force fed.
All I can say is if you want to make power and learn some at the same time this is the place for you.
BTW they have a naturally aspirated single carb, 475 CI, steel block, steel head, 1969 ford engine making 760hp on gas. I had the pleasure of going for a ride in the (89 Camry) rally car that thing is fast and handles almost as well on pavement as on dirt, this and the rear bumper sits the same height as a chev 4x4 half ton truck ' Hang on!!!


ALL SMILES and thank you to Jeff, Sean and the guys for a great day!

[Toyrolla]

Originally Posted by jamesOC

OMG

OMG I just got back from a visit to sidler73's shop and equipment. If you want to make power and see what it takes to make power you should do yourself a favour and make the trip all I can say is holy holy man. They have some stuff there making real power. They have a Dyno room second to none clean and setup for one thing. The most amazing thing is the way they the keep an engine at one tempurature 400 gallons of coolant on hand to dyno test blocks with. Everything is taken into account although I forget most of it. While I was there I read a Lucas Oils report on the acuracy of their equipment, a Castrol report, even a Toyota Ca. executive report that reccomends their shop. This place will blow you away. The knowledge, the mods, the experimental ideas development. It is hard not to get caught up in a whirlwind and come away so overloaded.
While I was there I had a chance to watch this kid come in with a twin turbo setup on his vtec civic engine. The manufacturer promised the kid well over 400hp on this 2.2liter(stroked) engine at a cost of approx, $4,500 for the bolt on kit. After setting up the engine on the dyno and making a baseline pass then making a full throttle pass that climed up just over 6,000 rpm the result was 296 hp WOW just incredible. The team worked on the engine making a total of 9 passes eventually squeezing and amazing 315hp.

Sidler and his team took me onto the local 1/4 mile strip and showed me setup and traction modifications. I was able to squeak out a .6 of a sec faster down to 14.8 time by adding torsion traction response parts and a wicked custom cool air intake, that is actually cooling fan force fed.
All I can say is if you want to make power and learn some at the same time this is the place for you.
BTW they have a naturally aspirated single carb, 475 CI, steel block, steel head, 1969 ford engine making 760hp on gas. I had the pleasure of going for a ride in the (89 Camry) rally car that thing is fast and handles almost as well on pavement as on dirt, this and the rear bumper sits the same height as a chev 4x4 half ton truck ' Hang on!!!


ALL SMILES and thank you to Jeff, Sean and the guys for a great day!

JamesOC,

Please understand that no one is doubting the accomplishments of Sidler and his crew. I'm sure he has a great shop and the expertise to make things happen.

The topic of this particular thread has nothing to do with Sidler or his capabilities. There were discussions that resulted in difference in opinion that just went fairly deep; as it should, because that's the whole point of a forum in the first place.

My reason for stating this to you is because your post presents itself as some form of defense on behalf of Sidler, which really isn't necessary. If it was, none of us who posted would be wishing well to him at closing.

It's great that he has the shop he has, so let's not stray from the topic at hand.

In closing, I'm going to make it clear, just as Sidler has already made it clear, that this topic is closed.

Thanks!

[jamesOC]

At first I thought maybe he was just taking this personal due to strong convictions now I know you just can't leave anything be. I went through and checked your posts, they follow that pattern.
The subject was brought up by you toybrolla you asked the question and when the answer came out you are quick to "close the subject" I had a fun time and shared it with those who listen. I took two days off work drove over nine hours and If I want to share it with the board I will, I can and if you tell me to politely shut up about it you don't belong somewhere where reading is required. Too bad you can't just leave it to reading. One day you will realize, as I did, you just need to listen more often (lose the cartoonies)it is the best part of communication at no point was this directed at you, as was most of it, not. This thread has stayed open as long as posts are made, many threads stray from the point, just as this one did. If you want to know how to make a Camry go fast or find out what engine will do that, I gave that info, all pertinent.
I will invite you to very clearly start to use some respect here and other places, but especially towards me. NEVER again ask me or anyone else to shut up, politley or otherwise. Just listen to what is said and you will learn if you take the time to read and research as I have (taking a whole day to visit a shop where people have knowledge to share) from every source I can find popular mechanics, seminars, race tracks, and even yes even, here on message boards. All of us here hope that you are able to read and take the time to make more polite and properly respectful posts, but if you can't just hold it in until you are able to.

[jamesOC]

Question posed by Toyrolla

I'm curious as to what Toyota engine are you running 170HP out of?
By all means, please include that info in your next reply.

Take the time to read and review before you type again.

As always "education first, knowledge will follow"

[Toyrolla]

Ok, first of all, no need for the personal attacks.
I didn't say anything to you out of disrespect for you to respond that way. So, maybe it's you who really needs to chill out.

Secondly, this thread wasn't started by me, it was started by someone else. The quote I made that you posted was while Sidler73 and I were still into the discussion; a discussion that ended quite some time ago.

In other words, you're in the tail end of a conversation that was done already. Regardless of how long and dragged out it was, Sidler73 spoke his peace, I spoke mine, the discussion was respectfully closed from both sides.

In addition, allow me to further clarify to you that anything that was spoken between Sidler and I was based on each other's difference in opinion and views regarding what each of us saw as a solution to the original question.

Regardless of how you interpreted the thread, there is no issue between myself and Sidler73. There wasn't even an issue between you and I when I last posted. As I stated, the discussion was just a debate that got deeper than expected, that's all. Nothing personal.

So the next time you post or quote me, try a little harder to get your facts straight first.

I thank you for offering your info on how to make a Camry go faster, but my Gen2 is already under a buildup as we speak. In addition, this wasn't my car that was under discussion in the first place.

So again, as Sidler73 put it:

Ok....this thread is over....done

Good luck to you...

....and in the future, you can kindly leave my "cartoonies" out of it...

[thewraith]

*cough cough* um... No

Um. I can name 2 people that has a 3s-gte thats pushing well over 600+ to the wheels... And I can name more thats pushing 400+ to the wheels...

[sidler73]

Originally Posted by thewraith

*cough cough* um... No

Um. I can name 2 people that has a 3s-gte thats pushing well over 600+ to the wheels... And I can name more thats pushing 400+ to the wheels...

Uh Hummm *N-O-T*

Nice dream though.....we should have dreams.

[thewraith]

Originally Posted by sidler73

Uh Hummm *N-O-T*

Nice dream though.....we should have dreams.

Try again ... And I know Jeffrey personnally , his my Turbo importer...
http://www.extremeboost.com/Jeffrey/...SW20/index.htm


Alan Powers al@garageadvance.com at Garage Advance
www.garageadvance.com


Mike Colon 5S-FTE 2.2Liter motor also found on the Camry and Solara's




Try Talent on the MR2 board
http://www.cardomain.com/id/talent



I guess your having a nightmare then ,huh ???

p.s. for a tuner that says it cant be done ... Your not much of a tuner then... I guess your knowledge is limited to V8's then...


this thread is officially

how you like 'em apples ( or should I say 3s-gte MR2's)

[thewraith]

OOHHH by the way let me introduce you to the MR2 horsepower registry ... Where MR2 owners can send their dyno figures to be posted...
http://www.turboforum.net/dyno/

[Sportivo Concepts]

::insert Smokey's voice from Friday::
Somebody just got knock the out!
::end Smokey's voice from Friday::

<~~ The Wraith Schewlin'em

[thewraith]

ooohhh by the way... why dont you look me up this summer time 2004 and I'll show you what a true camry tuner can do... I show you a camry laying down 650whp with out NOS...

[sidler73]

Go back and read fella.......wheel dyno's are "guaged" and approx...they are up to the "operater" to "determine" the amount of loss.(many will add up to 30%) to impress you especially if you are buying the parts and mods "in-house"

The only way to get accurate "non-dreamer" results is a crank (you have to do the work, remove the engine, hook up to proper testing facility)dyno....I have had my 2.0L camry push 200hp to the wheels on a wheel dyno(not in a million YEARS)....that is a naturally aspirated "family" engine 3-SFE that I have modified on a budget of less than $1000...on real life results we get 145 now on super no lead....55 hp OFF on ONLY the 100-200 hp range, as the number climbs so does the percentage....also on a real dyno the engine does not build "false" momentum......I tested onsite at "Lucas oils" & at "tuner heaven" both admitted I could not get those numbers in a "real" situation.

Have the boys bring there engines,-ready to run- to my shop we will put it on the dyno and "educate" you.....we will tune it and show you what makes hp advantage. By the end of the day you will have had loads of fun and learned more than you can possibly take in, in one session.

Basically on a wheel dyno I can make WHATEVER numbers I want.
On a crank dyno "if you ain't push'n, you ain't mak'n"

Have fun and keep working, you will get there.!

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[DaveMush]

Originally Posted by sidler73

Go back and read fella.......wheel dyno's are "guaged" and approx...they are up to the "operater" to "determine" the amount of loss.(many will add up to 30%) to impress you especially if you are buying the parts and mods "in-house"

The only way to get accurate "non-dreamer" results is a crank

You tried to make two diff points there... Thing is, you are only partially right.

1st, Well dyno's are guaged for each type of car that is used. HOWEVER, there is a known drivetrain loss for each model of car. Any honest dyno tuner/owner is going to use that known value as the % loss, or compensation factor. That % loss is going to be linked to the trannie used, NOT the car used.
If that known % loss is used at the dyno, then the hp #'s should be fairly realistic. (also using things like which gear is closest to a 1 to 1 ratio will hwlp in accuracy.4th gear for an Mr2 Turbo trannie)

The thing is, that % is only used to convert Hp at the wheels to Hp at the crank. 2 different measurements. a measurement that is again affeceted by what gear you used.

2nd, the only way to get non-dreamer results is at the crank??? No. That is only ONE of the ways that you can measure Hp. IF you want to compare the Hp from the dyno to what the manufacturer says your car has for power, than this is true. All car manufacturers use crank Hp in their advertisements/specs pecause its a much greater number. It impresses people into buying the car from them.
Think about it, would you rather buy a car with 160Hp, or one with 136Hp? Although they are the same engine and trannie, both are calculated at different points in the drivetrain.


You are not the only person on this board who has any knowledge on dynos. OR on drivetrains. I think we all need to get over it, and get back to the origonal question that this post started asking....

Originally Posted by What ya Smoking?!?

can anyone tell me what engine could get a 2001 camry to 300hp or 400hp??....thx

What you should have asked in the first place, sidler73, to avoid the back and forth backstabbing; "Is that 300Hp to 400Hp crank? or at the wheels... OR at the dyno?"

That would have saved yourself alot of grief.

-Dave