What Engine??? - Page 2

Toyrolla · 07-29-2003, 07:44 PM

A tuned 3S-GTE can produce close to 500HP.

Top Secret had one in a JZA80 Supra a couple years ago.
In addition, HKS had one in a Altezza producing well over 300HP.

dsigns, you can fare well with a 3S-GTE swap.
I'm working on a custom 2VZ-FE turbo setup for my V6.

Good luck....

mcdoink · 08-23-2003, 02:56 AM

i dont know what model camry you have, but in my sv21, it has the 3s-fe. dropping in the 3s-gte from the same year celica all-trac should be no problem at all. thats probably what i'll do when this motor goes.

Toyrolla · 08-23-2003, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by thrasher

Twin Turbo Supra engine should fit in there, it displaces the same as the Camry v6...actually, come to think of it, the Camry might even use the same engine series. in any case, it should work, although you would definitely need a new tranny to handle all the power.:bandit:

A swap to this engine will cost you some $$$. The 2JZ-GTE sits differently. In addition, you will have to do a RWD conversion. That's even MORE money...

If you want to swap out your V6 for something faster, then may I recommend swapping out your V6 for a JDM MR2 Turbo front clip (3S-GTE - 255HP) as your initial foundation. Although you will have to research custom engine and tranny mounts, you can still build on this engine to produce 300-400HP. You will need to also research your drive axles, although V6 axles have been proven stronger than 4cyl versions.

If you plan it wisely and carefully, figure perhaps a initial investment of $4000-5000, depending on availability of the 3rd Gen front clip.

Good luck....

DaveMush · 09-05-2003, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Toyrolla

If you want to swap out your V6 for something faster, then may I recommend swapping out your V6 for a JDM MR2 Turbo front clip (3S-GTE - 255HP) as your initial foundation. Although you will have to research custom engine and tranny mounts, you can still build on this engine to produce 300-400HP. You will need to also research your drive axles, although V6 axles have been proven stronger than 4cyl versions.

If you plan it wisely and carefully, figure perhaps a initial investment of $4000-5000, depending on availability of the 3rd Gen front clip.

Good luck....

Obviously you dont own an MR2. Its a mid-engine. therefore it is a Rear clip that you'll need, unless you want to spend 2-3K to have a front clip complete with spare tire and battery. (sorry, just me being a smart a$$)

As for the V6 that you are getting rid of (1mz-fe?), if its mounted to the E153 transmission, than you can still use the current tranny mounts, but you deffinitely will need to rig something up for engine mounts.

If you do go and swap out the v6, and its a 1mz-fe engine, what do you want for it? what year?

-Dave

Toyrolla · 09-25-2003, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveMush

Obviously you dont own an MR2. Its a mid-engine. therefore it is a Rear clip that you'll need, unless you want to spend 2-3K to have a front clip complete with spare tire and battery. (sorry, just me being a smart a$$)-Dave

Yes Dave, you are right, you ARE a smart-a$$...

No, I do not own a MR2, but I know that the are mid engine models..
But since we're BSing anyway, wouldn't it really be a MID-CLIP???

Allow me to give you proper response to your smart-a$$ post...

I know it's been weeks but better late than never...

j/k
Have a good one, Dude....

DaveMush · 09-29-2003, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Toyrolla

No, I do not own a MR2, but I know that the are mid engine models..
But since we're BSing anyway, wouldn't it really be a MID-CLIP???

its called front clip cuz its everything infront of the driver's seat. And since the MR2 doesnt have a row of rear seats, the engine is directly behind the driver's seat, Thus the REAR clip...

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Originally Posted by Toyrolla

I know it's been weeks but better late than never...

Ditto...

You live anywhere near upstate NY? we may be having a gathering of PPL w/ MR2's at the Dinosaur BBQ in Syracuse soon...

sidler73 · 10-19-2003, 04:06 PM

You will never I repeat NEVER have 300hp or run a 10 sec 1/4 mile....or beat a mustang...etc...etc...
You CAN however; do some bolt on mods, cut your head, replace the exhaust replace the intake and fuel rail and injectors etc. etc... and make your car come to life so that it feels GREAT to step on the gas......and all of your buddies, will tell all there buddies, STORIES about how you can turn 13's and BS like that. In other words you can make a good solid 170hp and still have fun and you will always have the "dream" ......
Good luck!

sidler73 · 10-19-2003, 04:18 PM

No engine in that car no way no how Keep dreaming!!!!
None of you have a clue!

Take the time go to an engine dyno room .....do some reading (a lot of reading) ....go to the race track......learn about acutual HP .....then come back here and make some intelligent comments.

500-hp 8.3-liter V-10 engine
No replacement for displacment....learn and live.
It takes Dodge 8.3liters and a v-10 to make 500hp
475 cubic inches this is reality.

Toyrolla · 10-19-2003, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sidler73

No engine in that car no way no how Keep dreaming!!!!
None of you have a clue!

Take the time go to an engine dyno room .....do some reading (a lot of reading) ....go to the race track......learn about acutual HP .....then come back here and make some intelligent comments.

500-hp 8.3-liter V-10 engine
No replacement for displacment....learn and live.
It takes Dodge 8.3liters and a v-10 to make 500hp
475 cubic inches this is reality.

Ok.....been gone for a while....and then I read this....

Ummmm....with all due respect Sidler73, I'm not sure to whom your post is directed towards, but I've been to a dyno many times and I can assure you that I'm very well educated in that department.

I don't know if you recall a white JZA-80 Supra from SPI that once graced the cover of Turbo magazine about a year (or so) ago, but that car runs 721HP at the rear wheels, and it is in fact a street legal car.

I've seen that car up close and personal. The owner of that car (which happens to own SPI) happens to be a good friend of mine.

Running a 3S-GTE to 300HP and beyond is very easy to accomplish. The 3rd Gen version of that engine already runs 255HP. Simple upgrades will easily allow the engine to reach 300HP without any problem. If you go further as to do headwork, etc.....then who knows how far you can go.

It's a very tough and well designed engine.
HKS had one in a drag Celica that reached 9's in the 1/4 mile.

So with all due respect, I don't need a 8.3L V10 to produce 500HP.
I can do that in a Supra with 4 less cylinders than you and produce even MORE than the stated 500HP. What's more, I wouldn't even need "laughing gas" to squeeze.

Mind you, in Brooklyn & Queens, you will find many a street legal Supra running 600HP+ under the hood. It's not uncommon anymore.

In addition, beating a Mustang is no problem at all. I've done so with my 510, as well as my Camry V6.
....then again, my V6 Camry is FAR from factory at this point...

Your "Detroit Iron" ways of thinking about "there is no replacement for displacement" no longer apply in the world of auto performance, Sir.

The new rule is now, "there is no replacement for forced induction"....

Read and see for yourself:

http://www.spipowerexcel.com/turbo_100101.htm

The fact is that forced induction rules and will continue to rule for a long time. You don't have to take my word for it, because I don't claim to be any "know-it-all" in the world of auto performance. The cars I own are for my hobby, just like almost everyone else here.

If you choose to live in denial that "there is no replacement for displacement", then maybe you should "dream on", my friend.

Sorry Dude, hate to break it to you like that; but it's just the way it is. And with that being said, I wish you luck as well.

Davemush, sorry for not posting earlier.....been burning the midnight oil for the past month or so. Didn't want you to think I was blowing you off. Just been working a lot...

DaveMush · 10-19-2003, 10:43 PM

no problem... I'm here same as anyone, once in a long while.

I'd like to add to your arguement tho.
a 3s-gte engine was the same engine that they used in the Toyota formula 1 cars for a few years. With head work and parts specifically for racing (i.e. super tough head gasket and bolts, a turbo the size of your head or bigger, boost controller, BOV, ect.) They were stated to be running at about 1000Hp for that purpose.

Forced Induction can make HUGE improvements to the power of an engine.

-Dave

sidler73 · 10-20-2003, 07:43 AM

We ARE talking about street "dreamers" and street cars here .....until you have a bank account the size of Bill Gates you are not making 600 hp on the street in Queens or ANYWHERE else......on a four cylinder......I know you like to read magazines (and dream in 2 fast 2 furious technicolour) and dream about it ....but reality is most guys can afford a 5-7 psi boost raising hp slightly some will even go so far (as my neighbour) to try Nitrous and "laugh" as there engine blows becasue they have NO IDEA just like you......you can quote formula one or a "one off" vehicle created in a mag with sponsorship....manufacturer input etc......until you have put in the time and money and HAVE the knowledge...your numbers are OFF not just by 50 - 60 hp but 100's and 100's.....
I race Toyota ......have a sizeable budget and KNOW what it takes to make Hp....$$$$$
Those who post here are BEST to follow my advice as posted earlier and have a solid 170hp and a dream. (and a FUN, reliable car)

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Toyrolla · 10-20-2003, 06:31 PM

Hi Sidler73,

I don't recall requiring a Bill Gates sized bank account to run 600HP. If you're making such a claim, then perhaps you should watch your spending a little more carefully.

To further clarify; anyone who gets into cars in the first place knows that it's not a "poor man's hobby". But at the same time, I don't need to be Bill Gates either.

Unbeknownst to you, I'm not one that reads import magazines and watches "The Fast & the Furious" every day of my life. To me, that's nothing but Hollywood, glitz & glamour for the movie screen.

In addition, there's no need for the personal attacks here. You're probably more annoyed that I'm likely to have owned more Toyotas by myself since the age of 17 than you have either with yourself or jointly owned.

If 170HP is more your preferred speed, then more power to you.

But don't bash others just because 170HP isn't enough for them.
Honestly, 170HP isn't enough for me neither.

My "Chiquita" Datsun 510 does more than that all by herself, and she's already slated for a engne swap.

But this argument isn't about your 170HP preference, it's about what Toyota engines can provide big HP gains based on the question originally posted by the author.

What you seem to remain in denial about (and I would have NO IDEA as to WHY) is that Toyota engines like the 2JZ-GTE and the 3S-GTE have already provided (say this with me now...) proven reliable horsepower gains of 500HP and BEYOND .

And just to be fair here, I agree that engine modification is required (headwork, porting, etc....). I never disagreed with you nor ever dismissed that fact. It is not a matter of just slapping on a turbo and yelling to everyone that you can run boost. No, it does take planning; and I do follow that rule.

I applaud you for your accomplishments, but if you have to maintain a "sizeable" budget to get only 170HP results out of a Toyota engine, then I would suggest you re-evaluate your action plan and get more out of your money you're putting into.

I'm curious as to what Toyota engine are you running 170HP out of?
By all means, please include that info in your next reply.

Here's a budget figure for you....

With less than a $3500 budget, my Camry V6 will run a very reliable 300HP past your 170HP solution, COMPLETE.

With a $3000 budget, my 82 Corolla can also run 300HP...street legal, reliable, and COMPLETE.

So if you choose to remain in denial, that's your choice.

Because last time I checked the calendar, the year was 2003.
Nobody does just 170HP anymore.....

As per the links you've provided, I'm going to be bold and take a shot in the dark by guessing that the 170HP Toyota engine that you race and maintain your sizeable budget with is a 22R.

If it is, no wonder you're still stuck in the 170HP range.

DaveMush · 10-20-2003, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sidler73

until you have a bank account the size of Bill Gates you are not making 600 hp on the street in Queens or ANYWHERE else......on a four cylinder......I know you like to read magazines (and dream in 2 fast 2 furious technicolour) and dream about it ....but reality is most guys can afford a 5-7 psi boost raising hp slightly some will even go so far (as my neighbour) to try Nitrous and "laugh" as there engine blows becasue they have NO IDEA just like you....

Yes, you do need a large bank account to get gains to the tune of 1000Hp. BUT, your statement was "You will never I repeat NEVER have 300hp or run a 10 sec 1/4 mile....or beat a mustang...etc...etc..." And that is quite wrong. I have video clips of an MR2 murdering a mustang 5.0.

Ok, if you race Toyota, than you should have known that the gen 3 3s-gte engine is 255 stock, and in stock form that engine is also pushing 13psi. the stock wastegate is set at 18 psi in that model....

Likewise, if you know what you are doing with Nitrous, it too is a very viable way to improve Hp, BUT... its intended for a straight line course. (drag racing ect.)

SO... "Most guys can afford a 5-7 psi boost" bogus...
"some will even go as far as to try Nitrous" If they know what they are doing, and have it installed properly for its intended purpose, they wont blow up their engines. Fact is, you can use a shot of nitrous up to half the rated Hp for your engine. (150 Hp, you can use UP TO a 75 shot of Nitrous.)

Things like: methane/H2O injection, Intercoolers, oil coolers, intakes, forced induction, intercooler misters, Toluene added to your gas to improve octane levels, stand alone ECU's, new cams, cam gears, head gaskets, head bolts, upgraded turbos, boost controllers, turbo timers, forged pistons and rods, lightened flywheels, aftermarket clutches... (The list goes on and on.) They are all ways to increase the yeald of an engine.

Adding 1 gallon of toluene to a tank of 89 octane gas will increase the average octane level to about 98 octane. (depending on the size of your tank.) Water/methane injection will raise the effective octane levels too...

Deal, displacement is NOT the only answer.

sidler73 · 10-21-2003, 09:42 AM

Boys Boys you are still in the CAMRY room......this thread pertains to CAMRY's .....so go back (and Like I said in the first place)
---READ---
Put your mind in motion, and your mouth and fingers will 'hopefully' follow.
Camry page --I repeat for clarification--
Original message "can anyone tell me what engine could get a 2001 camry to 300hp or 400hp??....thx"

The answer is already written in my above posts.

I thought I may have found a spot where "camry" owners are having a conversation.......not quoting some mag ...or dreaming of some one of your buddies "garage" down the street.

You honestly have the fella's here at the shop laughing so hard ...one guy actually spilled his coffee.....Lord you guys are hilarious.!!

DaveMush · 10-21-2003, 10:14 AM

Engine pics:
http://brad.bedell.home.comcast.net/.../complete.html
http://brad.bedell.home.comcast.net/misc/mr2/sc.html

Dyno:
http://brad.bedell.home.comcast.net/v6dyno.jpg

OK, for a forum for CAMERYs, and the origonl question about what can be done to a CAMERY engine to make it close to 300Hp... Check out the links.

Its a 1mz-fe engine from a CAMERY solara, fitted w/ a TRD supercharger. Its only running 5 psi. check out the dyno sheet.

Get over it. You can do more to those engines than you are willing to acknowledge.

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