2003 Viper - Page 4

Fried Rice · 12-04-2001, 08:24 PM

Vipers kick ass.
Old school mustangs r0xed, but the new ones I dont like at all, except maybe the GTS.
Viper10 is a very smart person.
As I recall, the Viper was based on the old-school kickass Shelby Cobra, as is quite obvious if you look at the blue/white GTS Coupe =)

The Viper is, pound for pound, the greatest street-legal production car ever made. As some guy on speedvision stated recently, the Viper is all muscle and no stipulations. It just goes.
And goes it does, quite fast.

Does anyone have a Dyno from any Viper?
Im surious to see the curve as V10 mentioned its torque thru the range.
Normally you dont see even a remotely constant torque...

Also, as you, Viper10, seem to know what you are talking about, I was wondering if you had and info on the wherabouts of:
- A mark2 MR2 (I dislike the Mark 3 for some reason)
or
- A 3-series Toyota engine from a supra
or
- Some other 2.5l - 3.5l engine (either 4 or 6) that will fit where there used to be a 1.6l 4A-GE Inline4

And finally...
A blower that can be squeezed in there.

Also, I have a question about body work...
If I end up putting a blower in my corolla, I wanted to make a small unidirectional cut in the side of the engine bay and bend it ever so slightly inwards to create a flowpath for the blower.
Is this: a) Legal - b) Sane

(Yes, a corolla. I really wanted a GTO, or a camaro, or any decent american car, but since I only had $1300 to spend, and Im no mechanic...)

Viper 10 · 12-05-2001, 02:22 PM

Rice:

You are partially correct on your assessment of where the Viper's roots are from. Carroll Shelby had technical input into the development of the original RT/10. The influence for the GTS Coupe was from two cars, the Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe and the Ferrari GTO. Peter Brock, who ran the Cobra Le Mans racing campaign during the '60s, was a direct contributor to the development of the GTS.

The dyno's on Vipers show very even (and parallel) torque curves. RWHP driveline loss is 10% (compared to most other cars that lose 20% or more). My stock GTS is putting down 417 RWHP (stock flywheel HP is 450-460 HP).

I cannot tell you where to pick up the powerplant that you are looking for. I would like to know why you would want to do this swap? I think that you might reconsider this mod, because you might find that the change in weight and HP might exceed the Toyota's chassis and suspension parameters. The result would be a dangerous car that can't handle or stop, or is undriveable. Added HP will do nothing but reduce your margin for error.

Save your money and enroll in a good high performance driving school. Good driving techniques can make up for tons of performance mods any day of the week. I have attended more than 20 driving schools (mostly weekend events).

Good luck and be safe.

Brad

Fried Rice · 12-05-2001, 02:44 PM

Well, obviously the weight would be a consideration.
I would replace the suspension with a newer one.
As for the chassis, that really wouldnt be a problem unless I tried to throw a really big engine in. As for a V6, I dont beleive the weight difference would approach the dangerous level.

Anyways... as I said, Id rather just find a vette or a GTO in decent shape, becuase in order to get a corolla up to the level of performance that I could get out of a stock '85 vette would take enormous amounts of money anyway, and it would simply make more sense otget a whole new vehicle.

The KBB value for my car is $2500, which is pretty damned good condidering its a 12yr old car. (The engine is in unusually excellent shape for a 4banger)
As I mentioned, I payed $1400 for the car (but it included a really nice alpine stereo thats worth $200, and I figure it adds $100 to the RS) and its now worth $2500. Quite a find...

Anyways... I also would just like to mention something quick: My name.
Its becuase when I was young and stupid, I always thought that loud, flashy cars with uber-tinted windows, 500 inch wheels and spoilers that knock down birds were the greatest cars.
Then I grew up and realized that I was an idiot.
Hence... Fried Rice.

*edit*
I just realized what it sez under yer name.
Your vette...
I have questions

Where are you?
(excuse my illogic for a moment... is M. Beach in Manhatten? or anywhere in NY?)
What condition is the body/engine in (if not the same)?
Miles?
Are you willing to sell? If so, how much?

Shelby VNT · 12-06-2001, 01:34 AM

Vipers rule. And what the heck is with all the trash talk? A Vette faster then a Viper? Fat chance. Stock Vipers are still faster then alot of the tuned Vettes.

As for the Ferrari....ouch, but I've got an awesome set of tools! I can fix it, really I can!

Viper 10 · 12-08-2001, 02:10 PM

Fried:

I live inManhattan Beach, CA (Southern Cal). The C4 is an '85 and is not for sale. It's got 156,000 miles of enjoyment. It was built up with some bolt-ons and taken back down to almost stock.

I still think that you should save your money and use it for driving school. I think that an engine upgrade like you are thinking of is a waste and could create handling and stopping issues. JMO.

I plan to give the Viper and the Vette to my kids.

Take care and be safe.

Brad

Koojo · 12-24-2001, 12:22 PM

who ever doesnt like this car should be shot! SHOT! look at it, its a beauty. Id give my car x10 to drive that beast. Pull up to a little pimped out honda, rev the engine and watch their face. haha jk. but still, who wouldnt love this car?! damn

ImportFreak · 12-30-2001, 08:48 PM

i dont like it.. so what now ur gonna shoot me?:finger: (j/k)

it looks cool.. not my favorite car but it looks cool.. saw it at the International Auto Show in Miami.. i mean i wouldnt mind owning it.. but id rather have a lambo or a ferrrari or porsche or SKYLINE.. but thats just me

-Joel- · 01-05-2002, 10:07 PM

I see the Viper as a True Muscle Car..
The sound, the cubes.. Nothing comes near it.. In time it will definately be a classic.

I see a farrari driving on the road.. Look yer looks nice..

See a Viper on the road.. can't stop looking.

JBL85 · 01-08-2002, 08:22 PM

well they say there is no replacment for displacment, but 8.3 liters is a waste of gas, isnt a z06 just as fast with 5.7 litters, I think dodge over did it, I mean how hard could it be to engineer less displacment and get the same horsepower

Now I am not dumb and gonna say honda does 1 liter = 120hp, thats cuz their fkn cars way 2000lbs and need 0 torque, but i mean the m3 used engineering and squeezes plenty of juice......just wondering, anyone have any ideas why?

Polygon · 01-08-2002, 09:00 PM

JBL they can squeeze a lot more than you think out of the V10. All the Vipers use the same exact engine block and there are ones that produce over 750HP.