Camaro Vs. 04 Cobra - Page 4

Mr. Luos · 06-02-2005, 08:02 PM

Last time I checked my mileage....I got 27.4 MPG on the highway. Not bad at all for an untuned cam'd car. Best I ever got was 31 MPG.

Some of the 2002 F-Body's slipped out with the LS6 block. Not sure about any differences in cam and valvetrain. Could be. That might explain some of these crazy high dyno's. Of course, dyno's are really only good for tuning. Run it...that is the true determining factor.
Too bad I can't drive, and I am stuck on this mountain.

Muscletang · 06-02-2005, 08:28 PM

The Yenko Camaro ran in the deep 11s and I'm pretty sure it'd kill a Cobra. The question is would it fall under stock or a production Camaro. I think it can because Saleen Mustangs are seen that way so the Yenko can be seen the same.

I'd also like to say a thing or two. I don't want to start a war here or anything just point some things out.
The LS-1 people say Ford had to put a S/C on the Cobra just to keep up, what about the Mach 1? Mach 1s are known for keeping up with LS-1s and they're N/A.
Also, if Ford were to put their 6.0L V-10 that's N/A and makes 600 hp I'm sure GM fans would be bitching because it has two extra cylinders over the LS-2. They weren't saying anything when the LS-1s had a 1.1L advantage over the Cobras though.
Also, the 5.4 in the '00 Cobra R was N/A and made 385 hp, almost as much as a LS-6. I think Ford doesn't have to put a S/C on but they do because who doesn't like factory S/C?

philly rs · 06-02-2005, 09:48 PM

well ill tell you this, if ford puts out a engine that comes close to a mach one or that 6.0 in that lovable mustang ill tell u this, they wont be as cheap as they are. the only reason they killed gm when it came to sells is because they build their cars cheap...that means cheaper parts, and you give up a bit of power doing so. people said the camaro was expensive, but look at how much better of a car they were. its like they say u get what u pay for, if ford builds a car to match ls1 power or greater, then they will pay 30 g's or more for that car and ford wont do that.

bag91 · 06-02-2005, 10:05 PM

I think if Pontiac wanted to have a fast performance car they should have stuck to the T/A. Instead they made the GTO.....
personally, between the Gto and the new Mustang, id take the Mustang for sure.

BlackGT2000 · 06-02-2005, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by philly rs

well ill tell you this, if ford puts out a engine that comes close to a mach one or that 6.0 in that lovable mustang ill tell u this, they wont be as cheap as they are. the only reason they killed gm when it came to sells is because they build their cars cheap...that means cheaper parts, and you give up a bit of power doing so. people said the camaro was expensive, but look at how much better of a car they were. its like they say u get what u pay for, if ford builds a car to match ls1 power or greater, then they will pay 30 g's or more for that car and ford wont do that.

I see what you are saying, but the bulk of mustang sales always were and continue to be the lowly V6. I think for will continue to build different performance packages to satisfy the enthusiast, but its always going to be the V6 that carries mustang sales. I think that there will be better and better performing mustangs now that they are working with a better base. Performance and sales don't necessarily go hand in hand. I am sure that if Camaro comes back out with a competitively priced V6 and V8 model, maybe differentiate more between the SS and Z28 to make prices vary more with performance, they will come back and give the mustang some competition on the sales floor.

Mr. Luos · 06-02-2005, 10:18 PM

Too bad GM plain out sucks under Lutz. Even if we got a new 2007 Camaro, it would probably be uglier than sin.
GM needs shaken up with the head guys. Something needs to change.

bag91 · 06-02-2005, 10:37 PM

I agree with you Mr. Luos

drvngstorm05 · 06-03-2005, 01:05 AM

i plan on beating some s/ced cobra's when my baby is running... or at least hope too...

about the whole thing w/ ford doing alot w/ less displacement... it really is all with the design if u ask me... ford has been using DOHC 4 valve per cylinder engines... while gm has been using 2 valve pushrod engines... gm has been doing that to stay faithful to their roots i suppose. but if u think about it, when gm did use the DOHC 4valve design they produced 400hp in the lt5 zr1 corvettes, and that was in 1990... i hope i make sense, i'm tired. my only point i'm making is that each automaker chooses its own path. gm has been going big displacement, pushrod (doing quite well at it i might add). ford shrank displacement and using newer designs to get their power...

there really is no reason to put gm vs ford, or camaro vs mustang... when it comes down to it, every car is different and it that particular car that races. a particular '02 ss camaro may very well beat a particular s/c cobra... that doesn't mean that all will.

races are between individual cars, not entire production lines... i guess that's waht i'm tryin to say. still very tired...

btw, camaro owns mustang

Rally Sport · 06-03-2005, 01:15 AM

I agree with the above statement and I would take a GTO over a new freaking Mustang because those things are ugly and everywhere just like the past ones.

will69camaro · 06-03-2005, 01:18 AM

I like the new GTO alot! I'd take it over the current GT but let Ford have a year or two with the new platform and make the GT500 and hopefully a more "friendly" priced GT or Mach or something and I'd love to have one.

William