Camaro Vs. 04 Cobra - Page 3

supercarvideos · 06-02-2005, 03:48 PM

Let's put it this way....I would love to run a stock Cobra, and I would probably pull on one, but not by much. I have $3000 into my Trans Am.
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What exactly have you done for $3,000?

supercarvideos · 06-02-2005, 03:52 PM

Why would they make an SS if the Z28's are faster?
I don't think your right with that one...SS have to be faster.
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The SS is faster than a Z-28... Thats why GM ships Z-28s to SLP... to turn them into SS Camaro, which are faster than a basic Z-28.

supercarvideos · 06-02-2005, 03:56 PM

Explains why the irocs were rated 10 less hp than the vettes back when both had the L98. Still using the same old techniques i guess.
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The Vettes had L98 aluminum heads and the IROCs had L98 cast iron heads.

Link85x · 06-02-2005, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by supercarvideos

Explains why the irocs were rated 10 less hp than the vettes back when both had the L98. Still using the same old techniques i guess.
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The Vettes had L98 aluminum heads and the IROCs had L98 cast iron heads.

Damn, i thought the L98 in both fire's and camaro's were aluminum heads? Learn something new everyday.

Mr. Luos · 06-02-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by supercarvideos

Let's put it this way....I would love to run a stock Cobra, and I would probably pull on one, but not by much. I have $3000 into my Trans Am.
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What exactly have you done for $3,000?

Full exhuast, headers back.
Cam and valvetrain upgrades.
Intake, lid, 85mm MAF, ported TB.
Made 376.8 RWHP and 370.8 ft/pounds before porting the TB. Should be right at 380 RWHP now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by supercarvideos

Why would they make an SS if the Z28's are faster?
I don't think your right with that one...SS have to be faster.
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The SS is faster than a Z-28... Thats why GM ships Z-28s to SLP... to turn them into SS Camaro, which are faster than a basic Z-28.

Not really. Most LS1 cars, including C5 Corvettes average around 305-310 at the wheels stock.
This arguement is like saying my WS.6 is faster than a regular Trans Am. It isn't. It comes down to driver.

supercarvideos · 06-02-2005, 04:17 PM

Isn't anyone going to bring the '05 LS2 GTO into this thread...?

cash1188 · 06-02-2005, 04:21 PM

i think the cobra is still a little too fast for the ls2 gto

supercarvideos · 06-02-2005, 04:22 PM

Full exhuast, headers back.
Cam and valvetrain upgrades.
Intake, lid, 85mm MAF, ported TB.
Made 376.8 RWHP and 370.8 ft/pounds before porting the TB. Should be right at 380 RWHP now.
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Very Nice........

supercarvideos · 06-02-2005, 04:32 PM

i think the cobra is still a little too fast for the ls2 gto
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I agree...... just thought It would be cool to talk about the LS2 GTO. One day I will own one of those sumbitches...LOL!!!!!

supercarvideos · 06-02-2005, 04:37 PM

All the LS1 Z-28s that I've seen dyno'd is doing about 285hp at the wheels.....(give or take) and the SS and WS6s are doing around the 300hp mark.

~John

philly rs · 06-02-2005, 04:39 PM

i think someone said an ss cant hit 12's stock, ill have to be on the other side of that line, we have a few ss camaro's that run high 11's and one low 12's with just cutouts and a lid i beleave thats all they have done. no bottle no cam nothing much. one only has pipes and suspension work. i also seen cobra's s/c ed at the track run low 12's and 13's. and whoever said the z and the ss were about the same is correct. even the slp ss cars dont run any better then the rest of the ls1 cars. u pay for looks and gm saying an extra 10 or 15 hp..lets be real. anyone who knows about building anything cars boats planes, will know as long as man has to sit on that line and put parts together in the factory no 2 cars will run the same or be built 100% the same. 3 of us can have 02 ss cars built on the same day brand new never been owned, throw them on a dyno and all 3 cars will put down different numbers. it is what it is, a ss is a flashy z28 thats it. if u dont beleave me we have 3 in the shop right now and a few z's, ill invite u to tampa to see whats in all cars, not a big difference!

will69camaro · 06-02-2005, 05:02 PM

I know that a mostly stock LS1 wont run in the 11s...The Z06 with the LS6 was barely getting into the 11s... Those cars have mods believe me. The fastest i've seen at my high density altitude track is a 13.4 outa a 02 WS6 with a bad ass driver. LS1's are notorious for having "factory freaks." That's the case with the new cobra as well too. I've driven quite a few and I could easily tell which was fastest.

Also the talk about "well if GM put a supercharger...blah blah blah." Guess what, GM didn't. They could have gone the same way as ford and done small displacement and make up for it with a blower but they didn't. GM i feel did the smart thing and increased disp and achieved better mileage that ANY mustang ever has and has performance to boot. The 03-04 cobar was going after the Z06 and i think they did pretty well as far as straight line performance goes. The LS2 GTO is pretty sweet and i'm looking forward to taking one on a testdrive here shortly. I'll have to post my feelings about it.

William

philly rs · 06-02-2005, 05:29 PM

yeah i agree i never bitch about the supercharger the cobra has, it doesnt matter to me if people get all bent outta shape about it maybe they should fix the problem and s/c their camaro. people need to remember, they needed that blower to catch up and to keep up, they still havent made a car whithout bolt ons to run down a ls1and they had 3 bonus years to do so. ill also agree that some ls1 cars have came from the factory nice as hell maybe they have 2 of them. the one i know for a fact only has the electric exhaust cut outs, a lid, and some gears im almost 100% sure thats it. the other like i said looked to be stock, didnt sound that different but maybe he had something.

Mr. Luos · 06-02-2005, 07:15 PM

LS1 F-Body = LS2 GTO in my opinion. The GTO is a nicer car to drive, and will run a low 13 at a good track stock, just like the lighter F-Body.

I know for a fact that I can beat stock LS6 Z06's, at least from a roll. I hung with one before my cam install, and he had exhaust. From what I understand, the LS2 C6 Corvette is about the same as the LS6 Z06 Corvette in straight line performance and overall wheel power.

LS1.....about 300-310 RWHP stock (M6 cars, autos dyno less)
LS6.....about 340-350 RWHP stock (also M6 cars)
LS2.....about 335-345 RWHP stock (M6)

Either way, that is great power from a smallblock. Even more so for a stock car. My car with lid and catback made 320/333. Not bad for $350 in mods.

And by the way....Philly RS, gears will liven up an F-Body BIGTIME. Auto I assume??

will69camaro · 06-02-2005, 07:51 PM

I've also heard that some 02 SS's and WS6's slipped out with LS6 heads and cam...Not sure on the validity of that but the fast WS6 i was talking about earlier in this thread dyno'd a 100% stock (not even a lid!!!) 346hp corrected (M6 car). I think the LSX series engines are amazing with the power they put out for the cubic inches and retain amazing gas mileage with the 6 speed.

William

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