The worlds fastets car: Koenigsegg CC-R beats the McLaren F1 at Nardo 2005!

[Gustav]

Really, how many? I have only seen one in black that looked US compliant.

Originally Posted by mini magic

There are already Koenigseggs in the US that have been made US compliant by private companies.

[jcsaleen]

Yes its down in florida from what Ive heard.

[Peloton25]

One was also spotted in Ohio, but it too was black, so it could have been the same car.

Gustav - When you come back to post your Koenigsegg photos from Geneva, you should really put them in the Koenigsegg forum. Then you can provide a link to them back in this thread. That forum really needs some action and your stuff will be a great addition I'm sure.

>8^)
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[993cc]

McLaren240! Do you have a link where I can find more info on these street-legal dragsters? Are these licence plates for real?! If yes they make a mockery of the whole top-speed-by-a-road-car issue!

[Gustav]

The report from the Koenigsegg stand:

Koenigsegg:

http://www.m6board.com/articles.php?id=29&page=3

Alpina:

http://www.m6board.com/articles.php?id=29&page=2

BMW M6:

http://www.m6board.com/articles.php?id=29&page=1

[Thorst13]

Nice link about the Koenigsegg CCR!

It's a cool looking great car but it will never be a better allround package than the McLaren F1.

I think the McLaren would chrush it on a race track.
Some cars are great, other make history.

The Koenigsegg dosent have the "pure breed" feeling that a McLaren has.
The McLaren just looks more charismatic and the Koenigsegg is just like a 14 year old boy would make it regarding looks. Well kind of works as I'm nearly twice that age and loves it, but not more than the Mc.:-)
I'm desperately hoping that the Gayron wont take Koenigsegg's speed record!

[F1 monster]

Interesting. I find the McLaren beautiful from an engineering/historical perspective, but in terms of actual looks, it's a bit bubbly/blobby, I don't know, not quite the hard-edged cool looking car that a supercar should be. The HDF kit goes a long way towards fixing that, though.

I find the Koenigsegg to be styled better than a McLaren in some ways, but I think the rear exhaust exit looks like an old drainhole, the roofline around the central glass too bulbous, the lights unimaginative, the front bumper too think, making it look stubby instead of sleek, and the wraparound windscreen, though a nice concept, doesn't do much to define lines or aggressive rake. Thank god they fixed that side intake in the CCR. It looked too soft before, IMO.

I am equally impressed with both cars' interiors, though the McLaren's is a bit parts-bin and unimaginative in its use of lines and switchgear. But sheer usability and tactile feedback are spot on. You touch or flip anything and there's a reassuring click and confirmation. The gearshift lever is also infinitely better to hold than the rod in the Koenigsegg.

What are your thoughts about the interior?

[Mclaren240!]

Yes the plate are real i have seen pics of these cars on the road somewhere buit they dont do it very oftern. www.feel-the-noise.com is what your after i think do a search or look for custom street eliminator on that site theres some wild wild stuff including a bright yellow van............

[Gustav]

The interiour is very down to business, not anything unneeded and everything you see is carbon, leather or alcantara.

[Mclaren240!]

The interior on the record car looks very sparce indeed ther are little difrences hear ant there i notice the wiper is in the vertical much the same as taking it of. What intrestes me most asside from the rather more supportive looking seat is the fact that this car dosent have the cabin air vents in the central coloum have the power sapping wight adding fans and things been removed i wounder...

Also anybody happen to know which of the two gearboxs the record car had?

http://www.silverfoxracing.org.uk/cruise00.htm provides more info on the dragsters 1/4 mile between 8/9 secs.

Also the F1 rates .86 on the skidpan but the Konenigsegg rates 1.30 anyboody care to explane to me exactily what this figure is and what this means in the real world are this figures accurate? or do they oftern vary?

[jcsaleen]

LOL look at that shifter jesus.....

[F1 monster]

Looks odd, but it's a very well-engineered piece. No boot required, the bottom ball forms a perfect seal in every position that the lever can be in. I played around with the one that came to America for the Gumball a couple of years ago. Impressive engineering.

[Thorst13]

No doubt that the Koenigsegg is a great and cool car! Even though the shifter looks like a thin dildo!
There is one shop near me who got a red CCR, I should be able to visit within june:-)

Could try and get some additional info.

[amanichen]

Originally Posted by Mclaren240!

Also the F1 rates .86 on the skidpan but the Konenigsegg rates 1.30 anyboody care to explane to me exactily what this figure is and what this means in the real world are this figures accurate? or do they oftern vary?

Basically, it means that the Koenigsegg "corners" better than the F1.

The skidpad is a measure of the lateral acceleration of a car during a constant radius turn. The lateral acceleration is equal to: A = (V*V)/R

Where V is the velocity of the car, and R is the radius of the turn. The g part comes in where you divide A by g, to give a reference to the acceleration of gravity (9.81 m/s^2, 32.2 ft/s^2)

Using the numbers, we can calculate the maximum (Theoretical) speed of a F1 and a Koenigsegg around a turn of 100 meters (328.1 ft):

F1:

Vmax = sqrt(R*A)
Vmax = sqrt(100m * 0.86 * 9.81 m/s^2)
Vmax = 29.0 m/s = 101.4 km/h = 64.6 miles/hour

Ko:

Vmax = sqrt(R*A)
Vmax = sqrt(100m * 1.30 * 9.81 m/s^2)
Vmax = 35.7 m/s = 128 km/h = 79.5 miles/hour

As with any numbers, you can't compare them, and they're totally worthless unless the person providing them describes the method and conditions under which the test was performed. However, it is widely known that the F1 has a more compliant suspension than many supercars, and it also lacks any sort of rear sway bar. It would still be safe to say that the Koenigsegg could go around a turn of a constant radius faster than an F1 could (without losing grip.)

This is really the only comparison you can make. Exactly how one would perform compared to the other in a real world situation would have to be tested on the same track, on the same day with two drivers driving each car, although if you compare stock road version to stock road version, you'd probably see that the Koenigsegg comes out on top.

[Mclaren240!]

Wow man i thout the skidpan figures woukld be prittu useless as they dont take speen into account wrong! Love to know would have thoght the F1's special tyres and ground plane sheere or whatever its called would have placed it on top. I wounder how accurate these figures are as road surfaces are so veraible also the F1 has three suspension settings dosent it? think id go with the hardest. Though the LM aparentily only manages .94 g that cant be right it less than my fave the standart XJ220!. The Carrera GT i would presume is better still though around the same track at the same time evo found the F1 faster.

Would presuem the an Ultima GTR with a sill powerfull engine some have been made would pumeel them both! I wounder why skidpan figures arnt more oftern used?