Looking for a Performance Engine... - Page 2

-Jayson- · 02-11-2005, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by EnjukuRacing240sx

2.2l ecotec is by far the best 4 banger to mess with. there is a dragster running 6's with a 2000hp 2.2l ecotec in it! 2000 f*cking hp! granted you cant use that on the street, but the point here is that motor has the most potetial, besides, if he was to put in a v6, his power-to-weight ratio will be all f*cked up. thing MIGHT be quick in a straight line, but how fun is that, the car wouldnt handle worth a shit.

you noob. . .be quiet and stop talking BS. The ecotec is not the best engine, ive seen more blown ecotecs on jbody.org than LD9's. Ive seen them blow with only 6 PSI of boost and properly tunned. If the 2.2L ecotec engine is so great, how come GM has to destroke it to a 2.0L to put a supercharger on it? Yeah the engine the Cobalt SS uses is the same engine as the 2.2L ecotec in cavaliers, its just destroked. Seems like GM would have been smart to keep it at its normal stroke and just supercharger it, i mean that would have made more power. Unless they had a problem with reliability? Ohhh i know why, maybe its because the ecotec engine has a 10:1 compression ratio, high compression ratios are great for boost! Maybe its the aluminum head that works so great for boost. . .

As for the GM race car, gimmie a break, that engine has nothing in common with your engine besides its name. If i had the knowledge and money of GM i could make my car a 6 second 1320. As for the 65% stock ecotec making 535HP, what parts are stock? How do they define a stock engine as a percentage? Is it done by weight?

The ecotec has proven itself in the hands of GM very well, but not many people here have degrees in automotive engineering, billions of dollars at their disposal, and massive amounts of technology and man power. The ecotec really hasnt proven itself in the hands of the common person. It hasnt been out long enough to fully know if its reliability. No one on this web forum has an ecotec in the 14's. In like the last 6 months, ive seen about 4 ecotecs get blown up on jbody.org, not a single LD9, and all those engines are going to have alot more miles on them. . .

If you want a cool engine, put the 3800 S/C in it. Otherwise save your money and buy a better car.

EnjukuRacing240sx · 02-11-2005, 02:59 PM

noob???? riiiight. as far as that 6 second ecotec- that motor has soo much shit done to it internally to handle all that power. and if you are so smart, then tell me again that im wrong about how a v6 would make his car handle bad

noshun · 02-11-2005, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EnjukuRacing240sx

noob???? riiiight. as far as that 6 second ecotec- that motor has soo much shit done to it internally to handle all that power. and if you are so smart, then tell me again that im wrong about how a v6 would make his car handle bad

I covered the weight issue of the V6 and it would cause unrivalled understeer! My Z24 I feel has very little understeer unless I slam the gas give it a quick flick on the wheel and lift off the gas for some lift-off oversteer! So much fun. The extra weight of the V6 wouold make it run crap unless you plan to just go staight although the Torque steer would be horendous and just keeping it straight sans LSD would be hard work. On the EcoTec issue Gm took stock EcoTecs and at 283 blew all 4 rods simultaneously and this doesn't account for long term effect as was under lab conditions. Sure there are EcoTec BLOCKS that have been made to run loads of power with many parts switched out.

Here's something. If you changed everything on your engine so it was just the block and then after 6 months cahnged the block which is just a component of the engine puttuin all off the other stuff onto the new one. At what point does it stop being the same engine?!?!?!?!

-Jayson- · 02-11-2005, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by EnjukuRacing240sx

noob???? riiiight. as far as that 6 second ecotec- that motor has soo much shit done to it internally to handle all that power. and if you are so smart, then tell me again that im wrong about how a v6 would make his car handle bad

god your an idiot. I never said anything about the handling of a V6 in a cavalier. STFU idiot.

Classicrocjunkie · 02-12-2005, 12:43 AM

I see its not just me that getting really pissed off with that guy.... where's our mod when we need one?...

noshun · 02-12-2005, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Classicrocjunkie

I see its not just me that getting really pissed off with that guy.... where's our mod when we need one?...

Tijuana?

EnjukuRacing240sx · 02-13-2005, 12:59 PM

correct me if im wrong, whenever i flip out on someone who talks shit i get bitched at worse.... but you can all dish it out just fine. i know what the fuck im talking about, and you dont need to call me a friggin idiot. i think yall need to chill

EnjukuRacing240sx · 02-13-2005, 12:59 PM

im done in this thread to avoid further dumbass remarks

-Jayson- · 02-13-2005, 01:15 PM

cause you dont know what your talking about. "2.2l ecotec is by far the best 4 banger to mess with" gimmie a break man, u dont know what ur talking about.

hopeless4life · 02-13-2005, 10:14 PM

65% of the engine internals are kept stock, they upgraded the cam, cam gears, and some other things. C-mon now pay attention 65% of the engine INTERNALS were kept stock.

-Jayson- · 02-13-2005, 11:38 PM

i will give you a 1,000 dollars if you can keep 65% of your engine stock and get a 2.2L to 535HP thats reliable, meaning more than 20,000 miles without a single problem related to drive train or engine or any other component that deals with the engine. And the car must be driven by someone who built the car to race it. That means no grandma driving.

hopeless4life · 02-14-2005, 10:01 PM

you can't drive a car like a race car driver was to drive it, race car drivers rebuild their engines after every race. Take drag racing motors for example, They do a few runs of a quarter mile and then have to be rebuilt. If you don't enjoy working on cars and increasing horsepower with what you got, then go f#*% urself, i'm just saying, you look at the original 2.2L in the newer body style cavs and sunfires, the 2200, the 2.3L and the 2.4L, the ecotec far exceeds those engines in reliability. I've blown 2 2.2L, The 2.3L quad 4 was a shit engine, everyone knows that, I know 2 guys that blew the 2200 and too many to count blew the 2.4L, the prime example is a customer Matt who is on his 5th yes 5th 2.4L, and the car has 70,000 on it WTF, yes i agree maybe the ecotec isn't the civic v-tec engines but hey what better engine do we have to work with?

noshun · 02-14-2005, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hopeless4life

you can't drive a car like a race car driver was to drive it, race car drivers rebuild their engines after every race. Take drag racing motors for example, They do a few runs of a quarter mile and then have to be rebuilt. If you don't enjoy working on cars and increasing horsepower with what you got, then go f#*% urself, i'm just saying, you look at the original 2.2L in the newer body style cavs and sunfires, the 2200, the 2.3L and the 2.4L, the ecotec far exceeds those engines in reliability. I've blown 2 2.2L, The 2.3L quad 4 was a shit engine, everyone knows that, I know 2 guys that blew the 2200 and too many to count blew the 2.4L, the prime example is a customer Matt who is on his 5th yes 5th 2.4L, and the car has 70,000 on it WTF, yes i agree maybe the ecotec isn't the civic v-tec engines but hey what better engine do we have to work with?

How has he blown 5 2.4s? I've got f*ck load of mles on mine and runs excellent. It doesn't use any fluids and is still good on Gas!!! That's crazy! He doesn't just rag the shit out of it does he?

-Jayson- · 02-14-2005, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hopeless4life

you can't drive a car like a race car driver was to drive it, race car drivers rebuild their engines after every race. Take drag racing motors for example, They do a few runs of a quarter mile and then have to be rebuilt. If you don't enjoy working on cars and increasing horsepower with what you got, then go f#*% urself, i'm just saying, you look at the original 2.2L in the newer body style cavs and sunfires, the 2200, the 2.3L and the 2.4L, the ecotec far exceeds those engines in reliability. I've blown 2 2.2L, The 2.3L quad 4 was a shit engine, everyone knows that, I know 2 guys that blew the 2200 and too many to count blew the 2.4L, the prime example is a customer Matt who is on his 5th yes 5th 2.4L, and the car has 70,000 on it WTF, yes i agree maybe the ecotec isn't the civic v-tec engines but hey what better engine do we have to work with?

yeah if he has blow 5 of those, hes just a moron. I mean common, i can understand 1 from bad tunning, but you think after the 1st one you would learn something. hes prolly the kid who kept putting his hand on the hot stove cause he never figured it out.

As for this comment
"If you don't enjoy working on cars and increasing horsepower with what you got, then go f#*% urself," Watch your mouth in here, no one likes a little cry baby kid who thinks that swearing at people makes them a "Big man" or "Cool" . Grow up.

A betteer engine is the LD9, lower compression, more HP, Cast Iron, responds extremly well to boost, very reliable.

big dude1 · 02-15-2005, 01:55 AM

Hey Jayson- i may sound like a temporary noob for saying this but, is the LD9 the 2.4l engine our Z24s have? if so, our engines kick ass...

and another thing, how in the hell do u blow 5 of those engines with 70,000 miles on it? shit i race mine all the time and it still purrs like a lion... doesnt eat ANY oil between changes, and it runs great...

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