data collecting recorders - Page 2

BlazerLT · 02-02-2005, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mike1224

these "black boxes" are in a vehicle that you OWN. The government is using YOUR property to prosesute YOU??

Well, here goes:
Attention all Aurora Police: On February 1st, I was going down the 3800 block of S. Tower Rd at 9:45pm and was traveling 80mph in a 40mph zone, also I don't remember using my turn signal while switching lanes.

Is that any different that the black box???

The point is, if you were driving recklessly and you killed someone and they needed evidence, they have every right to.

Take this example for food for thought. You shot someone with a gun. Don't you think the police has the right to see whether that bullet matched that gun?

Think for a bit, they wouldn't be checking out your truck computer at random, they would have a reason to do so.

mike1224 · 02-02-2005, 10:31 AM

blazerLT, i understand what you are saying, but my thing is that its YOUR property being used to prosecute you. Evidence:: what about the dead guy? glass shards in my face? skidmarks? other people witnessing the accident/crime? they do NOT need to have a black box in my truck. As for my gun, i have paid for it as well, and yes come check it; I don't want to be jailed for killing someone that I didn't. Its not just about getting off, but to have some type of privacy for the innocent and guilty alike. If I were to be driving a rental car and ended up killing another person, it should be up to the company (Hertz, Enterprize, Budget, Uhaul), then it is their right to have the black box. I have not paid for that vehicle, they have.

True they won't be just "checking up" on me, but i disagree that I should need to be spied on.

dmbrisket 51 · 02-02-2005, 11:19 AM

if you havnt, pick up the book 1980 by George (not sure of last name) it deals with big brother runing our lives and spying on us, just keep in mind the book was written in like the 1920's or earlyer

mike1224 · 02-02-2005, 11:30 AM

found it 1984 by George Orwell, just finished downloading it

blazee · 02-02-2005, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mike1224

blazerLT, i understand what you are saying, but my thing is that its YOUR property being used to prosecute you. Evidence:: what about the dead guy? glass shards in my face? skidmarks? other people witnessing the accident/crime? they do NOT need to have a black box in my truck. As for my gun, i have paid for it as well, and yes come check it; I don't want to be jailed for killing someone that I didn't. Its not just about getting off, but to have some type of privacy for the innocent and guilty alike. If I were to be driving a rental car and ended up killing another person, it should be up to the company (Hertz, Enterprize, Budget, Uhaul), then it is their right to have the black box. I have not paid for that vehicle, they have.

True they won't be just "checking up" on me, but i disagree that I should need to be spied on.

Speaking of rental cars...I have heard of rental companies using black boxes so they can tell how you treated their car. Some include a section for penalties of misuse in the contract, when they check the black box and it shows you were reckless, they will send you a bill in the mail.

mike1224 · 02-02-2005, 12:12 PM

I agree with the usage of the black boxes in rental cars, since most people will drive a rental car harder than their own.

BlazerLT · 02-02-2005, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike1224

blazerLT, i understand what you are saying, but my thing is that its YOUR property being used to prosecute you. Evidence:: what about the dead guy? glass shards in my face? skidmarks? other people witnessing the accident/crime? they do NOT need to have a black box in my truck. As for my gun, i have paid for it as well, and yes come check it; I don't want to be jailed for killing someone that I didn't. Its not just about getting off, but to have some type of privacy for the innocent and guilty alike. If I were to be driving a rental car and ended up killing another person, it should be up to the company (Hertz, Enterprize, Budget, Uhaul), then it is their right to have the black box. I have not paid for that vehicle, they have.

True they won't be just "checking up" on me, but i disagree that I should need to be spied on.

So, you shot a guy and if they want to see if the gun you had was used in the killing, even though it is yours, they shouldn't be able to check the gun?

With respect to the truck, the truck is the gun and the driver is the bullet. They have every right to see if you caused the accident or was driving recklessly.

Data collectors are not just for eveidence, they can also be used if a major failure caused an accident. The box will show what was happening which caused it.

Let's stop with the "government watching" paranoid crap and realize that it can be used for either situation and it really doesn't have anything to do with the administration.

Only people that should be worried are the ones that drove like morons and possibly killed someone.

mike1224 · 02-02-2005, 01:12 PM

what im saying is that there are more serious matters in a accident than if i was going 9mph over the limit, what about my blood alcohol content, condition of brakes/tires, or whether im physically/mentally able to drive.

BlazerLT · 02-02-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mike1224

what im saying is that there are more serious matters in a accident than if i was going 9mph over the limit, what about my blood alcohol content, condition of brakes/tires, or whether im physically/mentally able to drive.

They will be able to check that at the scene and blood tests.

only people worried about them check the data is the guilty ones.

mike1224 · 02-02-2005, 01:20 PM

well, if i ran the red light or hit the butt end of a car then i am automatically guilty! no need for the waste of time to find out what the OBD says

BlazerLT · 02-02-2005, 01:36 PM

Pointless talking about this anymore, you can't wrap your brain around this but instead throw back ridiculous situations which the box is not intended for.

mike1224 · 02-02-2005, 01:38 PM

i never said the black box was useless, just being used in the wrong manner that it was meant for.

BlazerLT · 02-02-2005, 01:47 PM

What is it meant for then?

mike1224 · 02-02-2005, 01:59 PM

to find out if there are mechanical issues with a vehicle. thats about the only i can explain it.

BlazerLT · 02-02-2005, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mike1224

to find out if there are mechanical issues with a vehicle. thats about the only i can explain it.

Ah, so black box recorders on jets are only there to track a mechanical failure, but not there to record whether the pilot did something wrong?

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