Which dSLR? - Page 2

Neutrino · 12-05-2004, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Moppie

And I can't see how having more control can ever be a bad thing, I frequent a very big canon forum, and there is hardly ever any mention of technical problems with any canon camera. The only ones that show up often are on cameras that have been used well beyong thier designed limits, like taking over 300,000 photos on a basic cheap point and shoot.

I never meant to sound like I was saying cannons are unreliable. They would not hold their current market spot if they were crappy. The reason probably why some pro don't prefer them is because they seem much more eager to jump into new technologies (eg. cmos over ccd). To us that might not be an issue but when you have a pro who has worked with a system for years, a system that served him just fine, he'll be slow to open up to new things.

This is why probably many prefer the "old school" tried and true aproach of nikkon. Or it could be that it was a statistical anomally for me to speak with only nikkon fan photographers. Its not like I made a study of thousands, I just talked to a few.

Moppie · 12-06-2004, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Neutrino

Its not like I made a study of thousands, I just talked to a few.

I know, most of the pro's Iv talked to have all been canon users.

I think a lot of it comes from Canon being the first into the market with pro series DSLR cameras, and now the first with a semi pro DSLR (the 300d).

I think there is a lot of brand loyality between Canon and Nikon users, similar to GM vs Ford owners. It goes back to the days of film cameras when the film used was more important than the camera used and Nikon and Canon made pretty equal quality cameras.
The advent of Digital has chagned that somewhat, the old attitudes remain the same, but technology has changed.

my3rdskyline · 12-06-2004, 01:40 AM

I'm thinking the 20D but by the time I save up for it maybe nikon will have a response so....

Moppie · 12-06-2004, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by my3rdskyline

it maybe nikon will have a response so....

the canon will still be better

Have a look at www.dpreview.com for some really good comparisons and reviews.
Although read it like a car mag, they like to give good reviews as they get free cameras to play with.

my3rdskyline · 12-06-2004, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Moppie

Have a look at www.dpreview.com for some really good comparisons and reviews.

how do you think i survive 8 hours at work

Moppie · 12-06-2004, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by my3rdskyline

how do you think i survive 8 hours at work

LOL!!

Of note, they compare every comera to a Canon, and they generaly rate the canons the best in terms of image quality.

For example they think the D70 has more functions and is more customisable, etc etc, but the 300d produces crisper images with much less noise at high ISO and no noise at 100ISO.
(as far as I know all of the compliants about the 300d can be fixed by the firmware hack, or my buying a used 10d or new 20d).

my3rdskyline · 12-06-2004, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Moppie

LOL!!

Of note, they compare every comera to a Canon, and they generaly rate the canons the best in terms of image quality.

For example they think the D70 has more functions and is more customisable, etc etc, but the 300d produces crisper images with much less noise at high ISO and no noise at 100ISO.
(as far as I know all of the compliants about the 300d can be fixed by the firmware hack, or my buying a used 10d or new 20d).

When you take a picture at a less than actual resolution what happens? A/B?

which pixels are used on the sensor? a central rectangle of the actual resolution even though it's lower than the whole sensor resolution or.... B?

If it were A wouldn't that change the relative dimensions of the whole optic system?

But if it were B? then if there are multiple incriments lower than the actual resolution then the actual scale/ratio would be inacurate? Does anyone know for sure?

The732 · 12-06-2004, 02:14 PM

I would chose the Nikon D70. I got one from Best Buy and I love it. I would not get one off the internet because I have read on other forums that you take the risk of geting a black market camera or one that has no warranty (if that is important to you). I spent 1,600 for the camera, lens, bag, several memory cards, etc.. the whole kit and a 4 year warranty with free cleanings and battery replacements. I have been using the Nikon D70 for several months and I absolutely love it. I would concider myself a amature photographer and I still have not used the camera to its full capacity. There are so many custom setings you can use on the nikon D70, as well as great preset choices. here are some of the pics I have taken with it so far. However they are reduced in size and clearity so they can fit on here!!
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zzpza · 12-07-2004, 07:46 AM

[sorry if this point has already been made, but i'm in an expensive cyber cafe so only read the 1st page.]

if you've going to get serious about photography, you aren't buying a camera; you're buying a system. i.e. lenses and accessories. chances are you're going to be using the lenses for then next few decades but you're going to be replacing the camera body (upgrading) in a few years time.

there are many pro's and con's for each camera system, but unless you try them out for yourself, you're not going to know which you prefer / does the job best.

my advice would be to get to a photo shop where they have them both and try them out. but one thing to remember - the lens supplied with a kit it's always of the best quality or best suited to the camera / what you are going to be using it for.

hth,
jules.

my3rdskyline · 12-08-2004, 05:22 AM

I shot both the D70 and the 20D today side by side and holy shit... if you think the D70 is a better camera you're wrong. wrong. simple as that. The 20D is faster and takes MUCH better pictures than the D70. I'm sold. Hopefully nothing new comes out to confuse me within the next two months so I can just save and get my 20D. The one thing I don't understand about the huge battery pack thing is this... I know it's good for a portrait shot grip but other than that why not just buy a spare battery? The base is just two regular batteries. If it were a GIANT battery that would be cool.... but it's not. it's just a grip and 2 battery slots??? I still cant get over how fucking fast the thing is and the AF is fast as hell too. I could go on and on but you get the point... I'm excited and I'm SOLD! :-) feel like a kid at christmas!

Moppie · 12-08-2004, 10:03 PM

Yay!

Now you know why Canon is simply the best Digital camera manufactor.

Althought that said the D70 is not in the same class as the 20D, its aimed more at the 300d, and might or might not be better, depending on what your looking for.

The Grip is there primeraly for Portriat work, it gives you a shutter button in an easier to use place, and it makes for a handy place to carry two spare batteries.

I doubt anything better will come out in the next few months, but the price should drop, and hopefully more EF-S lens will also come out.

Neutrino · 12-09-2004, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by my3rdskyline

I shot both the D70 and the 20D today side by side and holy shit... if you think the D70 is a better camera you're wrong. wrong. simple as that. The 20D is faster and takes MUCH better pictures than the D70. I'm sold. Hopefully nothing new comes out to confuse me within the next two months so I can just save and get my 20D. The one thing I don't understand about the huge battery pack thing is this... I know it's good for a portrait shot grip but other than that why not just buy a spare battery? The base is just two regular batteries. If it were a GIANT battery that would be cool.... but it's not. it's just a grip and 2 battery slots??? I still cant get over how fucking fast the thing is and the AF is fast as hell too. I could go on and on but you get the point... I'm excited and I'm SOLD! :-) feel like a kid at christmas!

Nooooo.....you fell under the influence of that crazy kiwi moppie

Just j/k thanks for the info. Now we know which one is better. With all the spec discussion and internet arguments nothing beats actually testing them in real life.

my3rdskyline · 01-25-2005, 07:27 PM

Doh......

my credit card has a mind of it's own.

Item List

DC CANON|EOS 20D 9442A008 (Qty=1,Price=$1,430.95)

Subtotal:$1,430.95
TAX:$.00
Shipping and Handling Charge**:$36.77
Total:$1,467.72

I guess the camera was just taunting me for too damn long. Thanks Newegg! :-) Can't wait to get it.

Neutrino · 01-25-2005, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by my3rdskyline

Doh......

my credit card has a mind of it's own.

Item List

DC CANON|EOS 20D 9442A008 (Qty=1,Price=$1,430.95)

Subtotal:$1,430.95
TAX:$.00
Shipping and Handling Charge**:$36.77
Total:$1,467.72

I guess the camera was just taunting me for too damn long. Thanks Newegg! :-) Can't wait to get it.

sweet, hope you enjoy it.

Moppie · 01-26-2005, 05:30 AM

SWEET!

Now did you read the bit about the terriable breaking in process?
Its really really horriable, however if you send the camera straight to me Ill go though it for you.
I should have it back, oh, around this time next year and it will be all set to go with no worries about it working right first time.

I'll even do it for free

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