problems out of production so far

[Joe_T]

Originally Posted by ccvet78

This is something that I would expect from someone who drives a BMW. I just do not understrand why people who drive BMWs think that they are better than everyone else . Come to find out that most of the time they are the biggest pricks in the world. Thank you for re-enforcing that with your lovely quote.

WTF? Just because he owns a BMW means he can't make a valid (seriously) criticism of a GM? Do you know him? How many GM cars he may have bought in the past? Or Ford or Dodge/Chrysler for that matter?


I'm sorry if a car manufacturer lays out a turd, calling a turd a turd doesn't make anyone a "prick" regardless of your pre-conceived class-warfare-based jibes.


Cavalier? Giant piece of shit. Neon? Giant piece of shit. Festiva? Escort? LMAO.

Granted the cobalt may NOT be a giant piece of shit like we would all expect it to (e.g. doesn't fall to far from the Cavalier tree), but based on the subject and content of this thread, there are some problems.

For instance the focus has had it's share of recalls and problems in spades... but it is not a giant piece of shit.

Hopefully the cobalt is a decent/ok car for it's class and obviously a first year car is going to have some problems.

Still to attack someone for making fun of GM with an obvious clusterfuck situation is kinda like killing the messenger.

My biggest problem with GM is (other than the cadillac brands, esp. escalade and CTS-n and I suppose the 'vette and maybe the new goat) it's incessant goal of making mediocre cars. I mean WTF?

In our lifetimes I bet GM goes from #1 in the world to like #5 or less. Why? Just look at their products, nothing more to it than that!

[57JagXKSS]

Originally Posted by Joe_T

WTF? Just because he owns a BMW means he can't make a valid (seriously) criticism of a GM? Do you know him? How many GM cars he may have bought in the past? Or Ford or Dodge/Chrysler for that matter?


I'm sorry if a car manufacturer lays out a turd, calling a turd a turd doesn't make anyone a "prick" regardless of your pre-conceived class-warfare-based jibes.


Cavalier? Giant piece of shit. Neon? Giant piece of shit. Festiva? Escort? LMAO.

Granted the cobalt may NOT be a giant piece of shit like we would all expect it to (e.g. doesn't fall to far from the Cavalier tree), but based on the subject and content of this thread, there are some problems.

For instance the focus has had it's share of recalls and problems in spades... but it is not a giant piece of shit.

Hopefully the cobalt is a decent/ok car for it's class and obviously a first year car is going to have some problems.

Still to attack someone for making fun of GM with an obvious clusterfuck situation is kinda like killing the messenger.

My biggest problem with GM is (other than the cadillac brands, esp. escalade and CTS-n and I suppose the 'vette and maybe the new goat) it's incessant goal of making mediocre cars. I mean WTF?

In our lifetimes I bet GM goes from #1 in the world to like #5 or less. Why? Just look at their products, nothing more to it than that!

Check out the 2006 Pontiac Solstice.

[wpbharry]

Yeah, the 2006 Solstice, with its ugly front end, will be a huge seller (not that it would have sold in massive quantities even if the whole car was gorgeous). 2007 Sky is MUCH better-looking.

Based on my experiences with an '04 Maxx (yes, I violated my own rule about not buying a first-year car, but the '98 Malibu was eating me out of house and home), GM needs to realize that folks buy Japanese mainly for perceived quality and reliability. That won't change any time soon. So, GM needs to emphasize the fact that its vehicles have a ton of features not available on the imports (like the recent OnStar TV ads) and price its vehicles more appropriately. I thought the sticker on my Maxx was $3,000 too high (but got a $4,000 rebate).

Just sticker the vehicles better, well-undercutting the Japanese.

But then, there's the little matter of health care costs for employees and retirees, all stemming from the ridiculous UAW contracts over the years.

GM is in a bad, bad way at the moment.

[57JagXKSS]

The health care costs are hurting big time.

I don't think the 2006 Pontiac Solstice looks ugly. It is certainly far more bold than the new MX-5.

http://www.solsticeforum.com/photopo...NYC2005-11.JPG

Edit by mod- Pic was too big, changed it to a link

Cadillac had their best sales last year since the early 1990s. Here is the 440 hp 2006 STS-V.

[wpbharry]

To each his/her own. I do agree that some people find the Solstice great-looking, but it's not a homerun by any means.

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the electric power steering on the Cobalt (that's why I was snooping in here).

My Maxx seems to have avoided either the early-production steering failures (mine missed those by 2 months) and the left-pull issue plaguing the entire run of '04s and '05s on a hit-or-miss basis, at least so far.

Several folks on other sites are complaining about the left-pull issue on their Cobalts (as well as some Equinox owners too).

[89IROC&RS]

Originally Posted by Joe_T

excuse me? A car has 4 wheels (usually), and is used for transportation. Things that reflect on your personality include your lifestyle, the friends you keep and the choices you make in life. A vehicle is a vehicle.

e.g. the type of house I buy (doublewide, or 20,000 ft^2 mansion in the hamptons) may reflect on how much I paid for it.... but not my personality. You may judge someone because they may seem to have more money than you... but that is your loss.

I apologize if i offended you, stereotypes are generalizations and if you dont fit within one then i hope you ignore it as not applying to you. However i have found that a persons car does reflect them, and that can be easily explained. People buy their car because they like it, barring those who must purchase a car within monitary constraints and thus buy a car for simple transportation rather than something they want, which lets admit, does not apply to BMW drivers. This is not a jab, this is fact, if youre on welfare and supporting a family by working the night shift, but need a car to get to work, chances are a BMW is not your first stop. So back to my point, people who buy the car they WANT do so because it has traits that they desire, that bring them joy, and will cause the vehicle to be something that is an extention of their lifestye, how they choose to do things, and thus an extention of their personality and thus an extention of who they are. Now, I realize i brought this up negatively towards the BMW vs my camaro, but lets look at it another way. My camaro is gutted down to the sheetmetal, is different colors, the paint is peeling, it rides hard, makes alot of noise, and is crude and unrefined, as am I. I am certainly not welcome at the local country club unless i wanted a job in the basment cleaning golf bags. Whereas a person buying a BMW is more likely than not buying the car for its fine fit and finish, attention to detail, refinement, and overall quality. This would likely reflect a person with higher class, and more refined tastes than me. I do not hold this against anyone. To each his or her own. But I also note that the majority (not all) of those people, not unlike those who drive corvettes, are high and mighty, and view cars built to a lesser standard as junk that "unfortunate people" drive. Again if this does not apply to you i apologize, but i form my opinion based off of my own experiences. I have partied in projects and multi million dollar homes and have friends in both places. I am not bitter or biased against anyone over something as trivial as money. To me, its the emblem on the hood, its a status symbol, at least thats what it is to all the people around me that buy them.

Now, the reason this came up, is because a BMW driver came into the forum, and decided to comment in a very abrasive manner. If he had been more tactfull about what he had to say i would not have reacted the way i did. But i was trying to send a message. Now as to your statement regarding all GM products you are half right and half wrong. GM has been, is, and probly will be aimed at the market of the general public overall, not to the same market as BMW, or Mercedies, or Ferrari. I suppose that is where caddy is going, but not GM overall. Therefor the cars refect this. And over the past two decades or so, the cars have been less than impressive barring a few models in the lineup. The current trend is fast changing towards a much higher level of refinement more reminiscent of the imports that are flooding the market. This is also due to new management which has a far different vision for the company.

I have written this as a method of public apology to those who i may have offended, and to answer to some statements made. If anyone wishes to PM me further regarding this i encourage you to, however this thread is no longer on the subject of the Cobalt, and is fast becoming an Import vs Domestic squabble, so i must ask that we return to the topic of the thread or i will have to have this thread closed.

[chevydrummer76]

Originally Posted by Joe_T

WTF? Just because he owns a BMW means he can't make a valid (seriously) criticism of a GM? Do you know him? How many GM cars he may have bought in the past? Or Ford or Dodge/Chrysler for that matter?


I'm sorry if a car manufacturer lays out a turd, calling a turd a turd doesn't make anyone a "prick" regardless of your pre-conceived class-warfare-based jibes.


Cavalier? Giant piece of shit. Neon? Giant piece of shit. Festiva? Escort? LMAO.

Granted the cobalt may NOT be a giant piece of shit like we would all expect it to (e.g. doesn't fall to far from the Cavalier tree), but based on the subject and content of this thread, there are some problems.

For instance the focus has had it's share of recalls and problems in spades... but it is not a giant piece of shit.

Hopefully the cobalt is a decent/ok car for it's class and obviously a first year car is going to have some problems.

Still to attack someone for making fun of GM with an obvious clusterfuck situation is kinda like killing the messenger.

My biggest problem with GM is (other than the cadillac brands, esp. escalade and CTS-n and I suppose the 'vette and maybe the new goat) it's incessant goal of making mediocre cars. I mean WTF?

In our lifetimes I bet GM goes from #1 in the world to like #5 or less. Why? Just look at their products, nothing more to it than that!

geeze calm down...he was just trying to make a point. You don't have to write an essay about it. If you don't like GM what are you doing in this forum??

[Carnut325]

Just wanted to let everyone know I own two Cobalts, one Base and one LS, neither of them leak a drop. The fit of the body panels is good and the interior is tight. Only problem so far is the fit of material around the plastic door handle in the door armrest. Cars run great...get 27 MPG

[89IROC&RS]

hot damn, wish i got that gas mileage you definatly jumped on the bandwagon with two of em, dont suppose youre a family man (or woman) congrats on the purchases.

[Lessgas]

This is the last thing that GM needs. After the fiasco with their bond rating, they need a winner. The Cobalt could actually be just what they need, but it has to be better than the Japanese cars. Does anyone here think that it is?

[jabby_jabby]

Originally Posted by Lessgas

This is the last thing that GM needs. After the fiasco with their bond rating, they need a winner. The Cobalt could actually be just what they need, but it has to be better than the Japanese cars. Does anyone here think that it is?

I like my cobalt. Here's why I got the cobalt over the other cars in it's class:

-Looks good
-nice interior
-has kick (compared to something like the aveo or accent, cheaper but shittier)
-incentives, i got a gas card and 1300 bucks off with gm card and being a student
-has lots of standard options so i pay less for much the same car
-comes in victory red

[89IROC&RS]

well it certainly out performs everything in its class, the fit and finish of the suspension is better than those in its class, and personally i think its pretty damn good lookin, it also has an ecotec which i think is probly the best I-4 being made right now. so yeah, id have to say its better than the import stuff right now.

[tom3]

I think the inside info is pretty darn interesting myself. Wouldn't be too happy with 27 mpg though, big horse V8s do that nowadays.

[Lessgas]

Best I-4 being made. Ahhh, I'm going to disagree with that. Honda's I-4s pretty much set the standard that everyone tries to follow. I mean how come the ecotec 2.2L 4cyl makes 140hp, and the Honda 2.0L 4 cyl can produce 160, 200 and 240 hp.

[Jaguar D-Type]

The Honda S2000 costs around $33,000. The 2004 S2000 had a 2.2 liter I-4.

Hp/liter is just a number.