Porsche Sucks! - Page 6

awaken1973 · 02-21-2002, 06:17 AM

Technically speaking the 996 Turbo sh*ts all over it

959 has computer-controlling AWD with locking clutches
and variable split torque

afaik 993 and 996 have simplified AWD with viscous coupling

crayzayjay · 02-21-2002, 01:47 PM

The end result is what really counts IMO.
Take a 959 and 996 Turbo around a track and not only will the 996 finish ahead of the 959 but the driver will have had to work less to achieve that. This is only superior "technically speaking", what remains is whether this is a better driving experience, which is questionable. But theres no doubt in my mind that the 959's reputation as a tour de force lives on because of how spectacular it was in its day. today it is still awesomely fast but it has been overtaken by many cars, "technically speaking", anyway

... still a hell of a drive

cheers,
jay

awaken1973 · 02-21-2002, 06:05 PM

Take a 959 and 996 Turbo around a track and not only will the 996 finish ahead

That would be a challenge! Porsche against Porsche

I meant that 959 has more sofisticated transmission than 993 and 996
Theoretically it could be faster on tough road conditions
But I don't think someone will sacrifice such expensive car to prove it

crayzayjay · 02-23-2002, 10:47 AM

Think about it. The 959 was created to be the best. In 1987. IN 1987. 13 years on technology has improved dramatically and looking at the car's underpinnings the 959's simply too complex, at least compared to more modern supercars. It was so "futuristic" when it was launched that this reputation still preceeds it now. In reality it has been overtaken by the 996 Turbo and would find it very hard to keep up with it on a track, twisty mountain road, wherever...

cheers,
jay

Cbass · 02-28-2002, 08:09 PM

Don't knock Porsche's tech, even from the 80's. True, their newer engines are more developed, and their cars are better balanced than they were before, but an 80's Porsche 4 cyl can still make 600+ hp.

and for whoever said Porsches suck, Ferraris have a very narrow power band, generally speaking(there are exceptions), and you have to work like a bastard to keep them quick. Porsches, on the other hand, have torquey, tractable engines. With turbos.

Porsche · 03-01-2002, 08:25 AM

If it has't already been mentioned, what is the stress like on Ferrari enignes? I mean Ferraris can make 600+ BHP easy, but the engine has to be rebuilt much more often than a Porsche right? I mean race engines have to be rebuilt after every race, so in contrast, what is the status on Porsche engines and reliability/output opposed to Ferrari engines? I haven't heard a whole lot aobut a lot of Porsche engine rebuilds.

crayzayjay · 03-01-2002, 04:00 PM

I'm not knocking Porsche tech at all, quite the opposite. all i said was that bearing in mind the rate at which technology progresses, something made 15 years ago is not hard to surpass nowadays and therefore Porsche have surpassed the 959 technologically. the 959 may have had some pretty flash kit, but the truth is, the equivalent top of the range model nowadays (996T) wouldnt and doesnt need them to keep up. in fact race a 996T vs a 959 on a twisty circuit and i think the 996 would win... doesnt mean the 959 is a bad car. quite the opposite. i think its a better car than the 996T. the 959 was and still is a spectacular car, it was so far ahead of its time that that is the first thought in your mind when you think of it. still a great drive, but technologically mind-bogglingly complex.

cheers,
jay

Tom_S8 · 03-01-2002, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by crayzayjay
I'm not knocking Porsche tech at all, quite the opposite. all i said was that bearing in mind the rate at which technology progresses, something made 15 years ago is not hard to surpass nowadays and therefore Porsche have surpassed the 959 technologically. the 959 may have had some pretty flash kit, but the truth is, the equivalent top of the range model nowadays (996T) wouldnt and doesnt need them to keep up. in fact race a 996T vs a 959 on a twisty circuit and i think the 996 would win... doesnt mean the 959 is a bad car. quite the opposite. i think its a better car than the 996T. the 959 was and still is a spectacular car, it was so far ahead of its time that that is the first thought in your mind when you think of it. still a great drive, but technologically mind-bogglingly complex.

cheers,
jay

But then again i'll still take the 959 over 996 turbo any day , and not only because it has higher market value... It's just the king of all porsches ever IMO , maybe the carrera Gt will make something... we'll see...

awaken1973 · 03-01-2002, 06:58 PM

Ruf CTR "yellow bird" and porsche 959- one day

Have you ever had 959 driving experience? When and where?

stuttgart · 03-02-2002, 03:29 AM

Ferrari cars IMO are very ugly. The people who designed them think to much about how they look and what looks fast. Porsche designers actually take the time to measure each intricate part of the car and see how it betters the car as a whole. Who in their right mind would want a showroom car besides Jay Leno(idiot). Any actual car fan would want something that is fun to drive and can impress. All Ferrari has is a name, they have ran with that for 50 years just like Lamborghini(a little less). Porsche has the guts to change things and actually see what works and what doesnt.

crayzayjay · 03-02-2002, 11:12 AM

Tom_S8>
Same here, i would take the 959 over the 996T any day, for very obvious reasons, basically what the car stands for.

cheers,
jay

crayzayjay · 03-02-2002, 11:21 AM

stuttgart>
I personally prefer Porsches over Ferraris but still have tremendous respect for Ferrari.

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The people who designed them think to much about how they look and what looks fast

What's wrong with a beautiful car?

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Porsche designers actually take the time to measure each intricate part of the car and see how it betters the car as a whole.

errr... every company does this, including Ferrari. Trust me on that one.

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Any actual car fan would want something that is fun to drive and can impress

Ferrari's are fun to drive and do impress. Where the hell are you getting all this from?

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All Ferrari has is a name, they have ran with that for 50 years

That's incredible. How can you say that all Ferrari has is a name when it is competing in the most challenging motorsport series in the world (F1) and whooping everyone's a**? Ferrari are still at the front of sports car production, along with Porsche, miles ahead of the rest.

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Porsche has the guts to change things and actually see what works and what doesnt.

Honestly, where do you get this stuff? Do you think Ferrari, or any company lets out a car or piece of equipment on the market without knowing if it works or not? Do you think that they dont try numerous formulas when designing a car to see what would be most effective in what theyre trying to achieve?

I know theres a lot of rivalry between the boys from Stuttgart and Maranello, but please... That was almost as senseless as the guy who started the "Porsche sucks" thread. If that's what your input will be like, take it elsewhere.

Tom_S8 · 03-02-2002, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by awaken1973
Ruf CTR "yellow bird" and porsche 959- one day

Have you ever had 959 driving experience? When and where?

Ah , it's a long story... But yep i have had a 959 driving expierience...
So it was about a month or two after i passed my driving license , that will be about 3 years ago... It was summer break in school , and i used the whole summer break to attend track driving schools and other track events to make me feel comfortable with my car and to know how to drive fast , how to use my car most effectively and how to be safe... You know , i have had license after 18 hours of driving for passing license and some , really little practice before i had my license... I only have driven gopeds and stuff like that , and sometimes car on a empty parking lot or so , and i had the money before i had my license so i already got 2 very powerful cars , so i wanted a to learn a bit how to control them etc. And i think that was one of the best things i could make... Althought i was not even 17 because here you could get the license when you were 16 and half or so if your parrents agree... So i was born in september , so i made my license in winter... My father was affraid that in those conditions and with such powerful cars i might not do to well so till the summer break i was only driving with him on board... Mostly in city , and with his wonderful navigator which is so friggin big that i was afraid of driving any fast in it , and i mostly was driving in city , in high traffic ,etc. Then summer break came , and he said that now i'm on my own and can drive my cars... Yeah , i ocassionaly drove myself before that , but i think it was quite reasonable , because here you pass the license and can make a trip around the world starting the same day... And like in the US or canada you have degrees and i think it's a better system... Anyway i attended those track events etc. Anyway back to the 959 story...On the last track event i took those summer break the instructor was talkin crap i heard on every past event and i took 7 before and i was kinda fed up of it... He seen that i'm very young and he said that's good i want to know how to drive fast and safely , but he though also that i never driven on a track , so he told me that he'll race me and show me what's going on , he took a VW lupo challenge out of the garage (it has 120 hp) and said that he'll give me 5s handicap , and if i win he'll take me for a round in a 959 clubsport and let me drive around the track in it too... That sounded like a challenge , he probably also didn't know that my porsche 952 has tuned engine , because stock is 250 hp and mine is almost 400 now , and was about 320 at the time i raced him. I started , then him after 5s , he was doing really well , but didn't stand a chance in the corners , and lost by 1.6s... And he had to do what he promised... It's a strange story but i sware it's true...

Cbass · 03-02-2002, 09:19 PM

Ah, the wonders of the 951 engine. I'm going to slap one in a 924.

As for the licensing, we here in British Columbia have just instituted a graduated licensing program. For 6 months, you have to have a driver who is 19 or over, with a full license ride with you. No alcohol, and you can only drive between 5 am and midnight.

for 18 months after that, you can't have any alcohol in your system.
Then you are eligible for a full license.

Anyways, I think some Ferraris look nice, (F40, 250 GT SWB, Barchetta Pininfarina[550 conv.]), and some Ferraris look ugly(400i, 330GTS)

Same with Porsches. Ferraris biggest mistake IMO, was not putting turbos on their production cars. If the 308 had a single damn turbo, it would have been spectacular!

Tom_S8 · 03-03-2002, 07:13 AM

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Originally posted by Cbass
Ah, the wonders of the 951 engine. I'm going to slap one in a 924.

I have the 952 it has bigger turbine and stock 250 horses... and the 951 has 218 hp... Anyway it's still dying to be tuned , now i think i'll put a lindsey racing stage IV intercooler in it... Damn , that is a big thing... Also i wish you luck with your project...

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