GM is A JOKE!

[GodAlmighty]

GM's profit were due to its PORN peddling biz according to Sep-05-04 "60 Minutes". Their cars are losing money. Anyway, great American car builders work for Honda, Toyota and Nissan. That is why Ford and GM had to buy into hybrid car design from Toyota and Honda. MAy be four more years will pollute America so that doctors and their drug pushers will profit enormously. Buy thier stocks, not their car -- because of upcoming tax loophole that will alllow Enron type profiteering, IMO.

[kenwood guy]

politics

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by GodAlmighty

GM's profit were due to its PORN peddling biz according to Sep-05-04 "60 Minutes". Their cars are losing money. Anyway, great American car builders work for Honda, Toyota and Nissan. That is why Ford and GM had to buy into hybrid car design from Toyota and Honda. MAy be four more years will pollute America so that doctors and their drug pushers will profit enormously. Buy thier stocks, not their car -- because of upcoming tax loophole that will alllow Enron type profiteering, IMO.

What the hell are you talking about? Porn biz?
You have six wild claims there, n00b. So before we falsely accuse GM and libel the entire medical and pharmeceutical industries, lets see some intellegent analysis backed up by facts, or STFU.

[tiburocks]

Yeah... American cars sure do sux

Buy European/Asian

[kenwood guy]

yea.... newbe know it all

[excue2]

I have owned and still own GM`s, both have done very well. I have a 92 astro with 218,000 mi on it and it`s drivetrain is original, still runs and drives great. I also have a 98 2 dr tahoe that has 88,000 mi and it still runs and drives great. I went to the chevy dealer the other day to test drive a trailblazer , I thought I was going to love it. It turned out to be a big dissapointment. It was a $40,000 peice of junk. Sorry, just my opinion. I would still buy a full size GM truck, but not one of their smaller ones. It looked like they cut corners on quality everywhere. Didn`t have enough power and was not nimble at all. I expected a whole lot more from GM. After all it was $40k. I am in the market for a midsize suv for my wife, I test drove a Honda Pilot and it put the trailblazer to shame for $10k less. It`s a shame I have to go to a import car company for a better midsize suv. What`s GM thinking? I tried to stay loyal but can`t justify paying that much for that little.

[kenwood guy]

have you tried the saturn vue its belived to have a honda engine but the name is not at all on the car not even the engine and guess where that engine came from???.... yea the pilot I think people need to see the full spectrum of things before they judge I think GM is great but not all there cars are awesome and the same would go for imports I own a 91 caprice with 203,000 thousand miles on it ..drive train all original as well 1 experence should not influence the way you think about any car company if the cars suxs then the company dies why is GM still alive?? if imports sux why are they still alive???? the cars have to be good in order to stay in competition plain and simple

[tom3]

Owned many excellent GM cars and trucks over the years. Don't know of any other make that looks, drives, performs as well for the money. However, our last Blazer will be our last new GM vehicle. Developed an internal coolant leak at 12K miles. Two dealers later it and the only repair provided under warranty was the cooling system sealer tabs from GM. Sawdust. Never seen such a level of incompetence in dealer service. We purchased this new with an optional 6/60 warranty - wish I hadn't since I could now get it fixed right and not worry about voiding the warranty. Real mess. Lesson learned.

[kenwood guy]

as far as dealer service in my opinion they try to make the most money out of you and do a poor job so people can keep coming back

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by kenwood guy

as far as dealer service in my opinion they try to make the most money out of you and do a poor job so people can keep coming back

It's a shame that a bad dealer experience can break a manufacturer's reputation.

The problem is that the manufacturers really view the dealers as their customers, not the end consumer. They sell to the dealers and they try to keep the dealers happy.
Part of the problem is that GM is not controlling or correcting the bad dealers.

[kenwood guy]

in the long run that theoy or fact can hurt an automaker big time man that just blows major ass air up the consumers and that goes for ALL automakers not just Gm... to bad we dont live in a perfect world where cars can last forever and ever and all you have to do is just drive

[HandofDoom]

You guys who are complaining about your Sentras and Grand Ams having problems,before you buy it you got to take into consideration...there cheap,bottom of the line automobiles.Thats why there so cheap.You can almost say there made to have problems.There built with poor materials and thats why you pay so little for them.You want a trouble free car,be prepared to have your wallet emptied.Were talking Mercedes Benz,Cadillac, and Audi just to name a few.Those cars are pretty much problem free until they get old.But like I said,you spend 18 grand for a new Grand Am or even less for a Sentra or Cavilier or Corolla,you can't expect the car to be touble free.Its going to have many problems.Thats why there cheap.

[tom3]

Might want to talk to a couple Caddy owners about this too. Rear main oil seal leaking, looking at 3 - 4000 dollars to remove engine. Engine destroying coolant leak, 7000 dollars for a new engine. Only difference between the low cost GM cars and the high dollar machines might be the cost of the repairs. I only know what I've seen, no expert here.

[HandofDoom]

Thats one Cadillac.I didnt say there all going to be flawless.I AM a Cadillac owner.Have been since I have been able to drive,and thats all my family owned when I was a kid.There great cars.How old is your Cadillac?Year and mileage?

[kenwood guy]

man I love cadillac