Does God Hate You??

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by RSX-S777

"As far as not preaching to the people of this board because "I have a problem with people like you who cram it down my throat. People like you make people like me want to run in the opposite direction. Don't preach to me. If I want to hear the Word of God, I will read the Bible and make my own decisions" That's cool. It does seem like it's the non Christians that are cramming their beliefs down our throat a lot harder than Christians on this board but that's just my point of view.
One other thing on that statement you made RSX. You said if you want to hear the word of God you would read the Bible. Does that mean you believe the Bible is the word of God?"

DGB. I absolutely respect the fact that the Bible is a religious text. I absolutely respect the fact that YOU believe it is the word of God and live by it. I did not say that is what I do or do not believe. I respect your right to an opinion. I DONT RESPECT PEOPLE WHO TELL ME HOW I SHOULD LIVE. I CAN DECIDE FOR MYSELF. I find the manner in which some choose to implement the "Great Commission", EXTREMELY distasteful and disrespectful. Talking down to me like I am a child is certainly NO way to convert me.

Let me add, however, that I appreciate your frank, open approach and tendency toward rational discussion. It is far more palatable than Crapmasters method.

I guess the problem I have with people who are anti-Christian is their need to talk down to us. I find that extremely distasteful and disrespectful. I can however overlook it if they are at least willing to try and look at it from both sides. I unfortunatly don't see that same courtesy paid to us.

[Oz]

It is with the supreme arrogance in the above post (they need to talk to us) that I bow out of this conversation. Pull your finger out of it mate. I need you for nothing, Just proving you wrong - I am happy with my beleif and moral constructs just as they are without your fairytales and personal attacks thrown in for good measure. I won't be opening this again - if it's urgent, PM me.

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by Oz

It is with the supreme arrogance in the above post (they need to talk to us) that I bow out of this conversation. Pull your finger out of it mate. I need you for nothing, Just proving you wrong - I am happy with my beleif and moral constructs just as they are without your fairytales and personal attacks thrown in for good measure. I won't be opening this again - if it's urgent, PM me.

What the heck are you talking about? At least have the deciency to accurately quote me.

Proving me wrong? I don't recall you ever doing that.

Personal attacks? I'm sure you are joking right? (People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones "mate")

No need to PM you mate. Nothing is that urgent. All you have to do is learn to accurately read posts before you fly off the handle and I will be more than happy to continue any conversation you would like mate. I will also read thoroughly your post and not just skim over them before I answer.



Just a little edit on this . If I read through your post rather quickly it appears you are saying you need nothing but to prove me wrong and you are happy. I had to re read it to make sure what you were really saying. See how that works?

[ironman502]

Originally Posted by Cl0ak

I'm sure we can play this little game all night.

Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
vs.
II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."

Leviticus 19:13 "Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, neither rob him."
vs.
Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."

Ephesians 2:8,9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith . . . not of works."
vs.
James 2:24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."


Ezekiel 24:14 "I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent."
vs.
Exodus 32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."

Romans 15:33 "The God of peace."
vs.
Exodus 15:3 "The Lord is a man of war."

You really have a lot of gall using someone else's findings and claiming them to be contradictions without even reading the context of each passage. In most cases, the Bible speaks for itself- reading the verses surrounding a "problem passage" sheds a lot of light on the situation.

Exodus vs. II Thess. I answered this in my last post. The law was given to Israel. In II Thess, God sends a delusion to "those who perish," or the unsaved, because they did not place their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation.

Leviticus vs. Luke Leviticus 19:13 speaks of stealing. Jesus' disciples took the donkey with the consent of it's owners.

Eph. vs. James Faith is for justification before God, works are to give other men evidence of your faith. (maybe clarify later)

Ezekiel vs. Exodus Repent means "to change one's mind." In Exodus 32:14, God changed His mind about what He was going to do to the rebellious nation of Israel. In Ez. 24:14, God said He would not repent of what He had planned for Jerusalem since they had turned against God. "Neither will I repent" in Ezekiel is specific to the passage alone, not general for the whole Bible.

Exodus vs. Romans I'm not sure about this, but I'll find the answer if anyone wants it. In Exodus, God promised to bring Israel out of slavery in Egypt and into the promised land. The defeat of the entire Egyptian army was amazing, considering that the Israelites had no weapons. God destroyed the Egyptian army in the Red Sea (ex. 14), and thereby fulfilled the first part of His promise. In the New Testament, God gave no such promise and discouraged war except when necessary.

Well, Cl0ak, you are 0 and 9, and the Bible appears to be winning. I don't mean to offend anyone here, but calling the Bible a mass of fairy tales and delusions is the pinnacle of ignorance. Every person in mankind's history who has set out to disprove the Bible has eventually become a Christian.

[Cl0ak]

Seeing as I do not go to church, and I do not follow your religion, going through the bible to ask you of contradictions would take months of time that I do not have. I asked a friend if he knew of any contradictions and he sent them to me. To myself they appear to be contradictions. You have not proved anything to me in regard to your arguments of those contradictions. Your arguments are very vague and only prove that there are mistakes in the bible.

I can guarentee you I would never become a Christian, so don't hold your breathe. I do not see that this thread can go anywhere but downhill since no one will ever change their views so all we can do is constantly argue to no end. Eventually this thread will turn into a repeat session of personal attacks as any religious conversation eventually turns into regardless of the maturity level of the people taking part in that discussion. As my father always said politics and religion make for bad conversation. I think I will take his advice and avoid them both.

[DGB454]

Well that seems to be the problem with most who put down religion as a whole. They expect us to know everything about the world and how they believe yet they don't take the time to do the same. It's odd that we are the ones called narrow minded.

[ironman502]

Originally Posted by Cl0ak

Seeing as I do not go to church, and I do not follow your religion, going through the bible to ask you of contradictions would take months of time that I do not have. I asked a friend if he knew of any contradictions and he sent them to me. To myself they appear to be contradictions. You have not proved anything to me in regard to your arguments of those contradictions. Your arguments are very vague and only prove that there are mistakes in the bible.

I can guarentee you I would never become a Christian, so don't hold your breathe. I do not see that this thread can go anywhere but downhill since no one will ever change their views so all we can do is constantly argue to no end. Eventually this thread will turn into a repeat session of personal attacks as any religious conversation eventually turns into regardless of the maturity level of the people taking part in that discussion. As my father always said politics and religion make for bad conversation. I think I will take his advice and avoid them both.

I have some Bible verses for you. Quoting from NKJV:
"For the message of the cross [the gospel] is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." (I Corinthians 1:18) Unbelievers, through their wisdom, reject the Bible as "foolishness." Verse 20: "Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" Vs. 21: ". . .it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe." I am sorry that you (and many other people) choose to reject the gospel, but you have been warned. I will not push you.

[RSX-S777]

Originally Posted by ironman502

I have some Bible verses for you. Quoting from NKJV:
"For the message of the cross [the gospel] is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." (I Corinthians 1:18) Unbelievers, through their wisdom, reject the Bible as "foolishness." Verse 20: "Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" Vs. 21: ". . .it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe." I am sorry that you (and many other people) choose to reject the gospel, but you have been warned. I will not push you.

Translation: But you have been warned you stupid, faithless babies, too slow witted to see the TRUTH. BURN IN HELL, YOU WILL...

[DGB454]

Anyone seen OZ tonight ?

[Toksin]

I've skimmed most of this thread.

So meh.

I believe in God, I have my reasons, God doesn't hate me. The rest of you can choose what you want to believe in. Oz doesn't believe in God, most of my friends don't, but that doesn't make them bad people. I believe God has a plan for everyone.

I just need to find a church that isn't filled with stuffy old people

Flame away...

[DGB454]

Finding the right Curch is sometimes the hardest thing.
I try to ignore who the people are at first and look for a Pastor that I like. If he talks a lot about money then that's not a good sign. If he ever talks bad about another church or religion then that's also not good in my book. THere are a few other things I try to stay away from but no need to go into all of them.

Hope you find the right place for you.