Top Secret Skyline R34 Vs. Top Secret Supra????

[Punk_187]

I can't say anthing about technical power, because I don't know much about the supra. I did see the R34 in a super street mag, and frankly, i don't care which is better. I would take that skyline so quickly it wouldn't even be funny. I have just always liked the body style of the R33 and R34s, and with that badass paint job and aerodynamic body kit, I would be in heaven!

[RazorGTR]

As mentioned that particular R34 uses a single turbo setup. It is also geared and setup for drag/street, where as that supra was geared and setup soley for max speed runs.

The gear ratio of that R34 will take it to around the 300km (186mph) mark while the supra from what I've read about it is geared to more 400km (250mph). The supra was down here in NZ for the Option mag speed runs. It managed just over 300km in 5th gear alone and had problems getting 6th.

Up to 300km the GTR would eat it for lunch with no worries. After that the supra would catch it and then pass it.

Top Secret has a few supra's including two that are powered by RB26's. They are all twin turbo setup and over 1000 hp.
They also brought down to NZ two different cars this year another R34 twin turbo over 1,000hp and a Supra with an RBB26 with twin turbo's. The GTR ran low 10's while the supra was again more a top speed car.

[SUPRAPOWR]

I'm with you FLYLWSI people here have no idea, and still think that the GTR comes on top, but unfortunatelly for them the supra spoiled the party. And the 2JZ GTE is a better engine not the RB, PLEASE GTR PEOPLE DO YOUR RESEARCH, AND THEN POST HERE.

[nacho_nissan]

Im a fan of both cars,but More to the skyline because its rare in the states..(maybe not in LA).The reason the skyline GT-R is not a good top speed car is because ya'll know its AWD. It'll take the supra off the line with no doubt, but then like many said,the supra will pass him and win! The blitz R-34 tops out like at 215mph and it has 850hp. Thats really nice for A AWD skyline. I'll still go with the skyline,the supra aint shit on it stock.
Isnt that skyline a RB26DETT powered?? It looks like it! I see twins!

[flylwsi]

all gtr's are rb26de powered... the number of turbos depends.
either way, earlier in the thread, it was noted that it's a twin. so you should read the whole thing...

[nacho_nissan]

I did,maybe you didnt read someone sayin it was a single-turbo. I know that a RB-TT is 2 turbo,and btw, Is there a RB26DET?? What does it come on??

[youngvr4]

Originally Posted by nacho_nissan

Im a fan of both cars,but More to the skyline because its rare in the states..(maybe not in LA).The reason the skyline GT-R is not a good top speed car is because ya'll know its AWD. It'll take the supra off the line with no doubt, but then like many said,the supra will pass him and win! The blitz R-34 tops out like at 215mph and it has 850hp. Thats really nice for A AWD skyline. I'll still go with the skyline,the supra aint shit on it stock.
Isnt that skyline a RB26DETT powered?? It looks like it! I see twins!

it isnt awd at high speeds it turns into rwd after the launch. these skyline heads should know what i'm talking about, after confirmed traction the power goes to the rear wheels.

[RazorGTR]

Originally Posted by SUPRAPOWR

I'm with you FLYLWSI people here have no idea, and still think that the GTR comes on top, but unfortunatelly for them the supra spoiled the party. And the 2JZ GTE is a better engine not the RB, PLEASE GTR PEOPLE DO YOUR RESEARCH, AND THEN POST HERE.

I think you should do some research. the 2JZ GTE motor has never been noted to be a rev happy engine. Something that is required in small displacement to build huge power. While I will agree Toyota did wonders in producing an engine that in factory trim is far superior due to a much better set of pistons, conrods, and rod bolts compared to the RB26 engine. After that the balance of power switches sides. Keep in mind the Japanese have been building and modifying both of these engines for a lot longer than any other country full stop. There has to be a very good reason that builders/tuners replace the 2JZ motor in supras with the RB26 engine when they want to build serious hp, which is anything over 1,000hp

[TatII]

Originally Posted by SUPRAPOWR

I'm with you FLYLWSI people here have no idea, and still think that the GTR comes on top, but unfortunatelly for them the supra spoiled the party. And the 2JZ GTE is a better engine not the RB, PLEASE GTR PEOPLE DO YOUR RESEARCH, AND THEN POST HERE.

and where is facts for that? while the 2JZ's bottom end is stronger then a RB's bottom end, when you start changing pistions and rods for a full build up, then both of them are the same strenght. however, a RB can rev to 9 grand !!!! and still makes decent tq. also the heads i believe flows alot better on the RB esp with 6 individual throttle bodys. now that is a work of art right there. and for those other GT-R lovers out there, a stock supra would own a stock GT-R up top. the NSX would own a GT-R up top. even though the GT-R has impressive high end pull, its just too boxy, and the required hp to overcome speed is this.

for every 2x's in speed, it takes 8x's the hp. but since hte skyline is blocky as hell, the Cf of the wind resistance will make it even harder to break the 200mph mark. so thats why it takes a gutted GT-R over 1000hp to just break 200mph while other cars can do it with alot of less. the skyline in my opinion is not a top end car. if you want a top end car, get the supra, or rx-7. the skyline is more of a low to mid range beast on a road racing track. and thats what it is designed for.

[flylwsi]

http://www.topsecretjpn.com/aerokit/34R/Engineroom.jpg

not sure where you see 2 turbos.
it's a single.

however. the rb26dett is the stock motor in the r34 gt-r. regardless of the number of turbos now residing on the motor, it started life as an rb26dett. which is what you'll find on the engine code.

the 2JZ GTE motor has never been noted to be a rev happy engine

not to pick nits, but rev happy doesn't mean better motor. that's all... and the supra revs pretty high anyways, no? what's the stock redline?

the Cf of the wind resistance

(you meant Cd - coefficient drag )

[mycivic]

1/4 mile=skyline
topspeed=supra

just my opinion. been a huge fan of the supra since first seen it.

[flylwsi]

for these 2 cars specifically, that will work.
you can't use that as your overall rule, though.

[nacho_nissan]

Yah,thats right,that wont always be true...
track wise...I think the supra doesnt have anything on a skyline in autocross(stock). I love the supra, the RX-7, NSX, 300zx, etc. Of these beasts,the one with the most power I've seen is the Skyline...The skyline also always(mostly) wins in the JGTC,folowed by supras,then NSXs.. But I dont really like ya'll somparing these cars, They are both great and they are like family.. I dont like Imports VS Imports, I would rather see ya'll in the Imports VS Domestic threads, helping me against these domestic dudes.. Well anyway, even if the supra is faster, The skyline will always be ma favorite.
BTW,do ya'll think the a Silvia S15 with a SR20DET will have something on this supra with same mods??thanx

[flylwsi]

no. a silvia with a basic motor swap and some mods would have no chance.
find me a silvia that's running 220+mph top speed.

there's not one in contention, sorry.

why are you anti-imports vs. imports?
import/domestic arguments are a waste. both sides are biased and don't want to see the other. there are very few people who are going to be able to see both sides objectively.
leave jgtc comments out of this. supras there run a v8. the skylines run a ttv6. not even comparable to street cars. sorry.

if you want a be-all end-all winner for your best car, you're looking at a porsche. you can take top speed, 1/4 mile, and your handling all in the same porsche, with no switching between tires/gearing etc.

but back to this thread. if you don't want to compare "siblings" don't.
but like anyone else, this is a comparo b/n 2 cars. if you want to see it as "imports vs. imports" go for it.

they're 2 cars tuned by top secret for different things. that's why they're not comparable. not b/c they're both imports.

[nacho_nissan]

yah,your right...But hold up,i read last time about a supra in the JGTC runnin on a 4-cyl,and one a skyline running on a RB26DETT,and a silvia on a SR20DET...