350z Sucks!

[svtcobra007x]

I wish LonglivetheZ would finally delete the quote I apparently made in his sig. So I worded it wrong, who the hell cares anyway. No one is laughing Longlive........

I think the Z and the Mustang fit into the category of a sporty lookin average-speed car. They are probably a little more than average though, depending on how you mod them.

[longlivetheZ]

Originally Posted by rizzspeed

Wow!
This is an interesting topic. You guys sure have gone at it pretty well. SVTCobra007x and LongLivetheZ, you guys are doing a pretty good job of comparison and keeping this debate alive. Congrats, I don't think I could've argued this long. LOL

Sweet...thank you. Glad you enjoy it. This is a debate that has been going on for years and will go on for many more.

Originally Posted by rizzspeed

First off, if you're gonna compare cars, let's do like the magazines do. Let's compare the cars based on price. Ultimately that's what it's all about in the long run anyway. Since that's how we come up with classes for the cars and to keep things sorta fair.

The cobra mustangs and above are NOT comparable to the Z in it's stock form. The non-modified Z's and non-modified mustangs are the only ones comparable because of their non-modified status.

Thank you, sir. That's what I've been saying this whole time...maybe he'll listen to you (svtcobra007x).

Originally Posted by rizzspeed

LongLivetheZ does have a point. I know it's kinda hard to see through all the obscenities and put downs but it's there.

Ehh...I try very hard to refrain from just cussing and bitching and moaning and putting people down. I do not resort to this way of arguing until it has been brought apon me. I don't really like fire fights such as these.

Stock Mustang vs Z Nissan Wins
Mustang GT vs Z Nissan wins
Ok...that's fair...look at the result.
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"Svt 2003 Cobra vs Z Mustang wins" <--Give me mods
"SVT 2000 Cobra R vs Z Mustang wins" <--not even the same TYPE of car.
"Saleen S-281 vs Z Mustang Wins"
"Saleen 2-281-E vs Z Mustang wins"
"Saleen SR(Yup its a stang) vs Z Mustang Wins"
"Steeda Mustang(any type) vs Z Mustang wins"
"Rousche Mustang (ONe of the fastest ones) vs Z Mustang wins"
Ok....the last 5 are just obsurd. They cost waaaaaaaay more and they waved bye bye to stock a looooong time ago.
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"Popularity Mustang Wins" <--So? I like being diff...plus...we ARE in America...go to Japan...bet the Nissans are more popular over there.
American Muscle Mustang wins <--Eh...maybe off the line but that's IT. Also...what car are we talking about here? Aweful vague.
Kick ass 2005 model Mustang wins <--Sweet...can I ride in your time machine? See...I don't have one, so I don't know how the car that's nearly a year off is going to perform.

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

Not enough Z models to compare with......Mustang has more of a variety, which is a definite advantage.

Umm...why is that an advantage?

Originally Posted by sctcobra007x

I don't know how much the above would change if a turbo was put on the Z. Maybe a couple if not none.

Riiiiight. Add forced induction to the Z and you're in the 11's. Still not a fair comarison with that list. I should still get a whole bunch more stuff just like the mustangs did.

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

Give me credit people..........im brave enough to argue this in a Nissan forum..............if I were in a Ford forum, their arguments would be completely more positive toward the Mustang then the Z.

There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity. Bring the Ford guys...come on...I'll take em on...they're trying to defend an inferior car...won't cause me a problem.

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

But I want to mention that I just don't look at speed

No...you look at lots of stuff...0-60 and 1/4 mile....

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

but I look at how the car looks

You shouldn't...that's too subjective for use as a catagory. I think the mustang looks like butt.

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

how the car sounds

Who cares, as long as it doesn't sound like a mosquito? That's also too subjective. Some people like the mosquito sound. The Z sounds like an F1 car...sounds bad ass.

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

how cool I would look to other people watching me cruise around the streets

HA...wow...I see a guy in a mustang and I think "hey...it's another mustang ass hole". Just about EVERY person I've EVER known that had a mustang was a dick head.

Hope I wasn't too offensive for everyone........

[mikegee]

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

I wish LonglivetheZ would finally delete the quote I apparently made in his sig. So I worded it wrong, who the hell cares anyway. No one is laughing Longlive........

I think the Z and the Mustang fit into the category of a sporty lookin average-speed car. They are probably a little more than average though, depending on how you mod them.

I hope he doesnt remove it. i like it. i find humor everytime i read. i care a great deal about turning. i have a small interest in drag racing. i mush rather speed $10,000 in stopping and turning then just making it faster. i've never drifted cant wait to try but for now i love to watch it.

[rizzspeed]

Originally Posted by mikegee

i care a great deal about turning. i have a small interest in drag racing. i mush rather speed $10,000 in stopping and turning then just making it faster.

I agree wholeheartedly. What good is going fast if you can't stop? I'd like to be able to stop and be able to control my car in a dangerous situation. It's all good to be able to go fast quickly but pretty dumb not to be able to control and harness that speed. Brakes are so overlooked, it's not even funny. Yet next to the motor, they are the most important system in the car. Speed kills, brakes save.

[svtcobra007x]

What a crock of shit this is.

"I think the Z and the Mustang fit into the category of a sporty lookin average-speed car. They are probably a little more than average though, depending on how you mod them."

Yea I said that but no, thats not good enough. LonglivetheZ comes in with his hard headed and arrogant attitude and praises whatever a Nissan fan says. But then there's me. The Mustang man who has come into the Nissan forum and has said some bad things about the Z. Have you people checked the title? It clearly states "350Z Sucks". I think I can say anything about that damn car in here but for god sakes you people are so hard wired for this car. I can't say a damn negative thing about the Z without you guys on my case but its ok for LonglivetheZ to talk shit about the Mustang. Crock of shit..........


"Riiiiight. Add forced induction to the Z and you're in the 11's. Still not a fair comarison with that list. I should still get a whole bunch more stuff just like the mustangs did."...............Yea its so simple to get into the 11's. LonglivetheZ says " Just add forced induction". Well that's bullshit. If that's the case why didn't Japan add the damn thing in the first place instead of making it "a dog for the money".


"You shouldn't...that's too subjective for use as a catagory. I think the mustang looks like butt.".......................Look at my post from the first picture to the last picture. Do those cars look like butt or is your eye sight messed up? Doesnt look like a box to me, it looks like a true "badass" car. But oh, I forgot to mention the Z. What a feminine car that is...........they say the convertible looks even worse. No wonder why they call it the Fairlady in Japan. Maybe if the back didn't look like a hatchback I would indeed like it.


"Who cares, as long as it doesn't sound like a mosquito? That's also too subjective. Some people like the mosquito sound. The Z sounds like an F1 car...sounds bad ass.".................I hate "rice burners". They jazz up their Honda and put a fuckin trumpet on the back of their exhaust, its a damn mosquito(hey we agree on something). I've heard the Z, no excitement to it whatsoever at least to me, it has decent sound. Mustang sound has gone back a long way and it never changes. It adds life to the car and makes it more blood-pumping. Acutally does sound like a Cobra growling.

"hey...it's another mustang ass hole"............Yea Longlive....a lot of people ride around in them so I guess a lot of Americans are considered assholes to you...........you have a lot of enemys...........

[nacho_nissan]

Originally Posted by mikegee

I hope he doesnt remove it. i like it. i find humor everytime i read. i care a great deal about turning. i have a small interest in drag racing. i mush rather speed $10,000 in stopping and turning then just making it faster. i've never drifted cant wait to try but for now i love to watch it.

Thats smart thinking right there...

[rizzspeed]

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

Yea I said that but no, thats not good enough. LonglivetheZ comes in with his hard headed and arrogant attitude and praises whatever a Nissan fan says. But then there's me. The Mustang man who has come into the Nissan forum and has said some bad things about the Z. Have you people checked the title? It clearly states "350Z Sucks". I think I can say anything about that damn car in here but for god sakes you people are so hard wired for this car. I can't say a damn negative thing about the Z without you guys on my case but its ok for LonglivetheZ to talk shit about the Mustang. Crock of shit..........

I could see why you're upset, but you need to calm down. We may be 'hard wired' for this car but for good reason. It is clearly superior to your Mustang. Unfortunately, you don't see that. That's ok though. Hopefully you'll come around some day.

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

Riiiiight. Add forced induction to the Z and you're in the 11's. Still not a fair comarison with that list. I should still get a whole bunch more stuff just like the mustangs did."...............Yea its so simple to get into the 11's. LonglivetheZ says " Just add forced induction". Well that's bullshit. If that's the case why didn't Japan add the damn thing in the first place instead of making it "a dog for the money".

I agree, it's not that simple to get into the 11's. But then again, forced induction does help quite a bit in getting there. Some versions of the Mustang have forced induction don't they? As for Nissan not supplying the Z with forced induction from the factory, is simple, Money. The same reason the stock Mustang doesn't include it from the factory. It costs money to buy, install, and warranty. The older Z32's were available with forced induction (Twin Turbos). Because of those though, the price of the Z32 was much more than what the 350Z sells for today. I still have the window sticker for my '93 2+2. It says over $44K. That's w/o turbos!! So where is the justification for your "a dog for the money" statement?

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

You shouldn't...that's too subjective for use as a catagory. I think the mustang looks like butt.".......................Look at my post from the first picture to the last picture. Do those cars look like butt or is your eye sight messed up? Doesnt look like a box to me, it looks like a true "badass" car. But oh, I forgot to mention the Z. What a feminine car that is...........they say the convertible looks even worse. No wonder why they call it the Fairlady in Japan. Maybe if the back didn't look like a hatchback I would indeed like it.

The design of the vehicles is subjective. Therefore, shouldn't even really be discussed. Mainly because it mostly based on opinion and opinions are neither right or wrong. Sorry again, It still reminds me of a box. As for your 'feminine' comment, the reason that the car is called Fairlady in Japan and not here is because of just that. Americans would think that the name was too feminine and wouldn't sell well. Since most male Americans think that everything has to be macho, large and uber-masculine. Even it was named Fairlady, the name wouldn't change the specs or performance. I will agree on one thing though....I also don't like the back of the 350Z. But it's bearable enough.

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

Who cares, as long as it doesn't sound like a mosquito? That's also too subjective. Some people like the mosquito sound. The Z sounds like an F1 car...sounds bad ass.".................I hate "rice burners". They jazz up their Honda and put a fuckin trumpet on the back of their exhaust, its a damn mosquito(hey we agree on something). I've heard the Z, no excitement to it whatsoever at least to me, it has decent sound. Mustang sound has gone back a long way and it never changes. It adds life to the car and makes it more blood-pumping. Acutally does sound like a Cobra growling.

Again, something subjective. And your Honda comment although funny , doesn't apply since we're talking about Nissans. You don't like the Nissan Z's sound? I agree it needs to be slightly louder. Have you ever heard it on the inside though? http://www1.350z.com.au/therun.asp
Take a look at this. It's a small portion of 'The Run' movie. Nissan runs a new 350Z through the streets of Prague. Good stuff. V8 exhaust sounds are quite unique. I wouldn't compare them to a smaller engine. Completely different. The V8's,imo, tend to be over-powering and sometimes quite intrusive. But hey, to some ppl that's what it's all about. I can respect that.
Dumb question time, have you ever heard a cobra growl? Hiss maybe, but growl? Just ribbin' ya.

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

"hey...it's another mustang ass hole"............Yea Longlive....a lot of people ride around in them so I guess a lot of Americans are considered assholes to you...........you have a lot of enemys............

Don't worry, I don't think your an a-hole. Extremely opinionated maybe, but not an a-hole.

[longlivetheZ]

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

Yea I said that but no, thats not good enough. LonglivetheZ comes in with his hard headed and arrogant attitude and praises whatever a Nissan fan says.

Blah blah blah....I go against some of the things you say because they're wrong, moron. You think I just say stuff just to say stuff? Just to piss you off? Just to be an asshole? No...I say it because you are wrong.

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

But then there's me. The Mustang man who has come into the Nissan forum and has said some bad things about the Z.

It'd be all fine and dandy if what you were saying was true.

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

Yea its so simple to get into the 11's. LonglivetheZ says " Just add forced induction". Well that's bullshit. If that's the case why didn't Japan add the damn thing in the first place instead of making it "a dog for the money".

It is a very potent engine. Adding forced induction only makes this more true. They don't offer it from the factory because it would be too expensive, just like the older Z32TT was. That's partially what caused the demise of the Z's in the first place. It's my prediction that there will be TT available sooner or later.

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

Look at my post from the first picture to the last picture. Do those cars look like butt or is your eye sight messed up? Doesnt look like a box to me, it looks like a true "badass" car. But oh, I forgot to mention the Z. What a feminine car that is...........they say the convertible looks even worse. No wonder why they call it the Fairlady in Japan. Maybe if the back didn't look like a hatchback I would indeed like it.

Looks are too subjective. Period. Mustangs are boxy, sharp edged, ugly, plain looking cars...no matter what you do to them. You can make them look a little better with body kits and lowering and whatnot, but they still don't look "good". Plus, when you buy one of those "true badass cars" (whatever), you still have to live with the fact that you bought a $40,000+ MUSTANG. Feminine?...you're very strange. You're an idiot...they call it the fairlady because the head of Nissan way back in the day saw a play. He liked the play so much that he named the car after either the lead character or the name of the play, The Fairlady. Another idiotic statement.

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

I hate "rice burners". They jazz up their Honda and put a fuckin trumpet on the back of their exhaust, its a damn mosquito(hey we agree on something). I've heard the Z, no excitement to it whatsoever at least to me, it has decent sound. Mustang sound has gone back a long way and it never changes. It adds life to the car and makes it more blood-pumping. Acutally does sound like a Cobra growling.

Yea...Loud annoying ass v8s...pisses me off...way too intrusive. Annoying as hell. HAAAAAAA......Cobra growling.........HAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAH.

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

Yea Longlive....a lot of people ride around in them so I guess a lot of Americans are considered assholes to you...........you have a lot of enemys...........

Just talking from past experiences.

Power is nothing without control, rizzspeed. And, mikegee, quote ain't goin anywhere. I told him that, to get it out, he'll have to bow down to the Z.

[NISMO LMR]

... Woah. Anyone else completely blown away by how long these replies are? ... Im feeling quite meek right now, haha. peace

[nacho_nissan]

hey that cobra kid is funny...
If you want to give us harder competition,why dont you give us a SVT Focus?? I mean,its faster than a Mustang GT

[mikegee]

Originally Posted by nacho_nissan

hey that cobra kid is funny...
If you want to give us harder competition,why dont you give us a SVT Focus?? I mean,its faster than a Mustang GT

in my car ill never see the tail lights of a mustang gt. no i wont beat it but i will be right along side of it fot the entire 1/4 mile.

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by mikegee

in my car ill never see the tail lights of a mustang gt. no i wont beat it but i will be right along side of it fot the entire 1/4 mile.

you have an svt focus?

[mikegee]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

you have an svt focus?

nope just a simple pontiac grand am. sorry i wasnt more clear the first time.

[Neutrino]

oh gotcha....he was mentioning the SVT focci and i just assumed

[nacho_nissan]

yah,I'm trying to say the 4-bangger focuz is faster than that mean powerful V8 mustang...
Let's see svtcobra007x's excuse for this one...