350z Sucks!

[longlivetheZ]

Dude......QUIT bringing up the damn S7...it costs as much as a damn HOUSE. It BETTER be fast as hell for that much money.

The Skyline is a very fast car. Around 4.8 stock. It's true beauty is in it's potential. You can pick one up in New Zealand, Europe, and Japan for less then 30,000 US dollars and it would make the S7, which costs around 4 times as much, look twice. You try comparing all these extreme Saleens and mustangs to the STOCK 350Z....they SHOULD be compared to the Skyline.

Originally Posted by ghetto7o2azn

...ill tell the truth now..i dont kno much about mustangs but i agree that more displacement is better if you want a really fast car...

Pretty dumb statement. For example....one of the fastest cars ever made...Porsche 959 (I actually SAW ONE!!!) was a flat 6, electronically controlled AWD (very similar to the Skyline), sequential turbo charged (Like the late Supra) and did not have a very large engine. This car has been compared to the McLaren F1 (the Holy Grail of cars) and the Ferrari F40 (amazing car). The ONLY V8 that Porsche EVER had in production was the 928. Damn fast car. But look at the 911s...the 996 is fucking INSANE...they're fast STOCK (spedo registers 190...it'll do about 200 STOCK) and people modify them. The early 90s 911 (the twin turbo with the all wheel drive...keep wanting to say 993, but I don't think that's right) is painfully fast too. These cars will hurt you and they are all 6 cylinders. You definately do NOT need 8+ cylinders to be very, veeeeeeery fast. I think the inline 6 cylinder is one of the best designs for an engine. 2JZ-GTE (late model turbo supras)...RB26DETT (Nissan Skyline)...these are engines that most V8's and V10's wish they were. The RB26DETT is nothing but a detuned race engine. I've read pretty extensivly on the background of this car and it's engine. This car was built as a car for racing in Japan. It completely dominated all....and I'm not exaggerating. It's from THIS RACE CAR that they made the road car from. The engine can run over 500hp on stock internals without breaking a sweat. These cars are more then able to keep up with any car you can think of and are capable of over 210mph...0-60 in who the hell knows.....as fast as you want. You do not need more then 6 cylinders to go extremely fast. More then that is just over kill.

All in all, the bottom line is:

Nissan makes some of the best cars out.....not to mention some of the best performance cars ever made.

V8s are over kill.

Mustangs are wastes of metal.

Domestic manufacturers are just starting to be on the same level as the
Import manufacturers.

There are exceptions, though.

If you have beef with Nissan, bring it. This company has, and continues to, make phenomenal automobiles.

V8s have their pros. A V8, V10 or V12 in the hands of a skilled builder like Ferrari, Porsche (check out the article about the Carrara GT in this month's issue of either Motor Trent, Car and Driver, or Road and Track...always get them kinda mixed up) or Lamborghini. You have to remember though....just about ANY engine can be made powerful with enough money.

You think Mustangs are good? I'll disprove anything you can say about them. However...some old mustangs are pretty cool.

The Japanese car companies (Nissan, Toyota, Mitsubishi) and German car companies (Benz, Porshe, VW, etc) have made far better cars then American car companies (Ford, Chev, GMC, etc) for a long time. However...once again...there are exceptions....there have been some nice domestics, especially in the old days. Caddies, old mustangs, GMC and FORD make good trucks, I've always kinda liked the Vettes.

If anyone cares to argue any of the above, I'm open to it. These are my beliefs and they will remain that way until something or someone changes my mind. They were formed by many hours of research, personal experience, and what mechanical knowledge I have regarding engines. I'm not the smartest person in the world or the God of cars or anything...don't get me wrong. I def don't know everything, nor do I think I do. (True knowledge is knowing how truely little you know. --Don't remember who said that. It's very true though.) I'm open to debate and I welcome the challenge.

[mikegee]

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

The Nissan Skyliner may be a fast car but why dont you people look at the big picture. They dont make Ford Mustangs to race on the tracks or even Cobras. Its Steeda, Rousche, and Saleen that take these Mustangs and make them raceable. Oh cmon, you guys are bullshitting your Skyliner so much. A Saleen SR compares if not faster than a Skyliner. And I am also a big fan of Saleen, so I can use the S7 if I chose to. The Saleen S7, check out the stats, is a fast mutha(0-60: 3.3s). You might pay around 300,000-400,000 but when it comes to racing, it is on the top charts of one of the fastest cars in the world. No not individual countries, the WORLD.

I dont know what year this skyline GTR is but it is rather recent. I want you to look at 0-60. Looks like 4.7 seconds. And top speed doesnt really compare with S7.
http://www.automotivearticles.com/in.../gt-rspecs.htm

your made at us for comparing two completely different cars how bout comparing you saleen to a nissan r390 gt1 road car.

Nissan R390 GT1 Road - Ultimatecarpage.com

[mikegee]

it may be less then car car lenth to 60 but its a race car not a drag car its made for a complicated road course.

[svtcobra007x]

I was never comparing the Saleen S7 to the Z, I compared it to the Skyline. And yes I did check out the stats of the "Nissan R390 GT1 Road", and its really damn close. The GT1 does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds and the S7 in 3.3 seconds. They both have relatively the same top speed and in my opinion the S7 looks better. S7 also has cool features like the doors opening upwards. Oh shit, I said the name "S7", sorry LonglivetheZ I shouldnt have brought that car up. Dude I dont just have to bring up the Stangs, which in fact pack in more power than a Z (especially that new Mustang thats about to round the corner), stock GT will be included with more horses than a stock Z. You better hope the Z has a chance with the new Cobras and possibly Shelbys. Well I expect more criticism on my last few statements from you people, especially LonglivetheZ. For God sakes I said that Mustangs have more power than the Z, its the end of the world.

Cmon, what else you got..............I hate repeating myself
to Nissan diehards..........

[ghetto7o2azn]

dude you didnt even fucking read my whole comment if you did you would understand what i was saying... a 12 cylinder is capable of more power than a 4 cylinder right? of course so u say turbo the 4 and you can get more than a twelve.. well wut if you turboed a 12? the more displacement the more power you can get out of it IF YOU HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY IN THE ENGINE... if the same technology is in two motors, one bigger than the other the other one will be faster...

your comparing the 911's with 6 cylinders but open ur eyes... wut is a turbo charger doing? its basically making the engine act like it has more displacement by shoving more air in the cylinders... in that case the 6 cylinder can have as much power as a larger engine...

as for the S7... yeah ur comparing a stock skyline with a stock S7.. ok where is your common sense? you could buy a skyline for 40,000 n then use the other 360,000 for upgrades and make the skyline faster than the S7... you hardly even need that much money to make a skyline go over 200 mph...

you hate repeating yourself? well you dont understand that what your repeating is really quite meaningless... ok, so the new stang puts out more power... thats good for them... hmm lets think of this... nsx-r does 1/4 mile in low 12's w/ 290hp ... 2003 dodge viper also low 12's with 500hp 500ft lbs of torque... ok so were talking about a v6 vs a v10... they are basically just as fast as the other... IN A STRAIT LINE... ford is also like this... yeah you say, who cares if a car can corner fast, well this also shows that just because it has more power doenst mean its faster... i would REALLY like to see some of the numbers the new stang puts out... please show me how much power the stang needs to be a couple tenths of a second faster than a v6 350z...

[mikegee]

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

I was never comparing the Saleen S7 to the Z, I compared it to the Skyline. And yes I did check out the stats of the "Nissan R390 GT1 Road", and its really damn close. The GT1 does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds and the S7 in 3.3 seconds. They both have relatively the same top speed and in my opinion the S7 looks better. S7 also has cool features like the doors opening upwards. Oh shit, I said the name "S7", sorry LonglivetheZ I shouldnt have brought that car up. Dude I dont just have to bring up the Stangs, which in fact pack in more power than a Z (especially that new Mustang thats about to round the corner), stock GT will be included with more horses than a stock Z. You better hope the Z has a chance with the new Cobras and possibly Shelbys. Well I expect more criticism on my last few statements from you people, especially LonglivetheZ. For God sakes I said that Mustangs have more power than the Z, its the end of the world.

Cmon, what else you got..............I hate repeating myself
to Nissan diehards..........

a stock mustang v8 thats 2 more cylinders then the Z and this stang is putting only 180 to the rear wheels that sucks where as a stock Z is putting 235 to the rear wheels

[svtcobra007x]

Dont worry ghetto, you will soon find out in the next few months the numbers that the new Mustang will put out. Im not going to lie to you but I have heard that they are at least going to put 280hp on the GT. They are also using the Ford Thunderbird chassis which is lighter than what they are currently using. They said at first they were going to put a 390 hp supercharged engine in the GT but it could go either way.

As for the S7 you can most definitely mod it to be faster so dont get your hopes up when you say you can take a 40,000 Skyline and mod it to be better. You are just saying that because you think it can be faster when in fact you dont know what you are talking about. Yea you might come close but the S7 has a lot of extra sporty features that the skyline doesnt have and also their remarkable braking system.

Ford still makes powerful engines and I will give you evidence of that. Next year they are coming out with a crate 5.0 V8 420 horsepower engine. I believe it is not supercharged nor comes with a turbo. It is a regular V8 engine and it gives to show you that V8 engines have potential. Probably cost an arm and a leg to buy but if I had the chance to get it, I'd grab it.

[Jared_80]

Whats up with the Z I thought that it was a proformance car? I saw the specs on it and it tied with the stupid little Neon STR in the 1/4 mile and in the 0-60. It is a pretty car but where is the proformance that we come to expect form an import proformance car? Does Nissan paln to fix this because the Evos and WRXs and even the Mustangs are beating them.

[longlivetheZ]

Oh God....where to start....

Originally Posted by Jared_80

I saw the specs on it and it tied with the stupid little Neon STR in the 1/4 mile and in the 0-60.

It's an SRT-4. Yea...it's a turbocharged and intercooled I-4. Fast little cars, man....especially for around $20,000. I couldn't believe it when I first saw it. They're at their max, though. That's as fast as it'll get. The Z...the sky's the limit. The aftermarket is growing exponentially. You obviously haven't drivin the new Z...the Z is an amazing performance car.

Evos and WRX's don't beat it by much, if any. Plus, they're turboed already. A Z with forced induction would make them cry. As far as mustangs? Ehhh...no. The only mustang that will beat the Z is the Cobra and it's more expensive, has a way larger engine, is supercharged, and doesn't handle as well.

Originally Posted by mustang007x

...you will soon find out in the next few months the numbers that the new Mustang will put out.

They sure have a lot of official stats out there about them for them being in the so near future...hope you sense the deep sarcasm. All I can find are estimates and guesses. All of those estimates are for the supercharged V8, too. Here you are again comparing a stock, NA V6 to a supercharged V8.

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

As for the S7 you can most definitely mod it to be faster...

BULLSHIT! You're damn crazy. Find me ONE MOD for that car. I dare you. That's like saying you can mod an Indy car. You're a friggin moron. Besides...you can have an R34 Skyline in the US (having gone through all the red tape and all the bullshit the american govn't makes them go through to be street legal here) for ~$100,000 or less, spend an INSANE $100,000 on mods, blow the doors off anything on the road (including the S7), and STILL have enough money left to buy the car it's own small house and yourself dinner for a year.

Originally Posted by ghetto7o2azn

dude you didnt even fucking read my whole comment if you did you would understand what i was saying... a 12 cylinder is capable of more power than a 4 cylinder right? of course so u say turbo the 4 and you can get more than a twelve.. well wut if you turboed a 12? the more displacement the more power you can get out of it IF YOU HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY IN THE ENGINE... if the same technology is in two motors, one bigger than the other the other one will be faster...

Down killer...I did read your post. I remember asking my dad when I was....like....7 or so, "does more cylinders mean more power?". One would logically think more cylinders, more power, but that's not the way it works with engines, man. If that was true, we'd have 32 cylinder cars and whatnot. It's just not practical. Why have 8, 10, 12 cylinders with forced induction and nitrous and all kinds of other shit when you can keep it simple, reduce weight, and reduce the number of moving parts? All you need is 6 at the most. The reason I brought up the Porsches is to prove the point that you don't need 8+ cylinders to go fast. Sure...you can make a TT V8 pushing 700 hp. But let's see you drive that down the road. God forbid you need to change the spark plugs. Friend of mine has a stock Camaro (new one...anniv edition conv...nice car) that he had to take to the dealership to get the SPARK PLUGS changed. You have to DROP THE ENGINE to get to the rear 2 plugs because they're under the dash board...What a pain in the ass. Imagine having to do routine maint. It'd cost an arm and a leg. Why not have my normal old I6/V6 do the same thing and be able to take it to my little, local mechanic and get it worked on? Even do it myself for that matter. This is an example: http://www.myttz.com/. That site isn't up to date, either. If you read the page, he talks about getting new turbos. Well...they're on there now. Read about it on another site, but I can't remember the address. I remembered that one, though...easy to remember. The car is now over 700 hp at the rear wheels. All from a V6. Why have 8283764827365135 moving parts, get 7mpg, and and that weighs 283658723642 lbs when I can get MORE then enough power out of 6 cylinders? I don't care for 4 cylinders much because they usually don't have much torque until the higher rpms. A 6 cylinder has the best of both worlds...fewer moving parts, better reliablity, high revs and good low end torque. You think you need lots of cylinders and huge displacement to go fast? You're living under a rock if you do. I've seen a 4000 hp 4 cylinder dragster in a magazine. It was an integra engine running 2 of the biggest turbos I've ever seen and nitro methane. It was a funny car running.....like.......7's or something.....I don't remember. I've also seen what appeard to be a regular, run of the mill, average Civic that runs 10s. Guy had the engine rebuilt. No turbo, no nitrous, all motor 10s. Redlined at 10,500 rpms. Thing was sick. That guy with the Camaro even saw it. He was telling me about how he had some dumb ass civic kick his ass and hurt his pride. I was like "DUDE!?!? Was it light blue...pretty normal looking...little slats on the front quarter panels?"....that was the car. You don't need more then 6 cylinders. You just don't. A 6 cylinder can do everything a V8+ can.

I'm tired....I've rambled enough.

[nacho_nissan]

Hey,yall are forgeting about the Tommy Kaira ZZII.This car has a RB26DETT,mid engine,all-wheel-drive.pushes about 500hp.Those pussy ass mustangs dont got shit on it.Hey,now's my turn to do unfair comparissons.What would a V6 mustang have on this car huh??Stupid svtcobra007x.! Mustangs suck,they have to get somebody to tune their cars cause they cant do it on their own.
I'm just a 15 y/o with a 91' stock sentra my parents gave me. It has a 1.6l engine(ga16de).yah u could laugh,but i run -0.1 second 1/4 against a v6 94 stang..

[ghetto7o2azn]

i kno that v6's will put out more power than you will ever need, but i was talking about drag wise, not about courses... i myself will never want a v8 mustang or a v10 dodge viper... i am happy right now with my 1994 mr2 4 cylinder 2.0L 3S-GTE engine which by the way with the right mods can put out over 700hp and run low 10's

and yes more cylinders doenst mean more power but it does help in some ways... as for the moving parts, that is why i think mazda will someday be on top of the sports cars... their rotary engines are small, have very little moving parts, and have lots of power... (rx7 is a 1.3L engine)...i kno this doesnt have much to do witht the subject but i thought it was kool... the new bugatti is a W16 and a pretty insane car that does 0-60 in under 3 but i dont even want to know what the price is

[svtcobra007x]

Well you would have to really mod up that Skyline LonglivetheZ. There is only so much you can do and its clearly stated that the fastest Skyline trails the S7 by a few miliseconds in 0-60. I doubt you could mod the fastest Skyline even more.......kinda like you said you cant mod the S7 even more.

[nacho_nissan]

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

Well you would have to really mod up that Skyline LonglivetheZ. There is only so much you can do and its clearly stated that the fastest Skyline trails the S7 by a few miliseconds in 0-60. I doubt you could mod the fastest Skyline even more.......kinda like you said you cant mod the S7 even more.

u forgot the skyline has a big brother named R390 Gt1!Just give it up fool! First you started out with a pussy ass stang,Then we showed you how its nothin against a NA V6,and u have to get other cars in this..

[longlivetheZ]

Originally Posted by nacho_nissan

Hey,yall are forgeting about the Tommy Kaira ZZII.This car has a RB26DETT,mid engine,all-wheel-drive.pushes about 500hp.Those pussy ass mustangs dont got shit on it.Hey,now's my turn to do unfair comparissons.What would a V6 mustang have on this car huh??Stupid svtcobra007x.! Mustangs suck,they have to get somebody to tune their cars cause they cant do it on their own.
I'm just a 15 y/o with a 91' stock sentra my parents gave me. It has a 1.6l engine(ga16de).yah u could laugh,but i run -0.1 second 1/4 against a v6 94 stang..

You friggin rock, man. I didn't know the ZZII has the RB in it. I'm gunna dig up some info on that car...has my interest now. V6 mustangs are shit, V8 mustangs are lame, and the Cobras are almost alright. I agree with everything you said in that post. You're a good man....

Originally Posted by ghetto7o2azn

...i was talking about drag wise, not about courses...

Ehh....ooooooook....drag wise....what difference does it make? A 4 cylinder can be just as fast as a V8 and a V8 can be just as fast as a 4 cylinder on a track or a strip....what you said makes no sense. What do you mean that "more cylinders does mean more power in some ways"? I think you are using faulty logic that has no grounds. You seem to have this thought that "more cylinders means more power" and you don't seem to know why. I wanna know how you justify that.

As for the rotaries, I was going to bring those up, but I didn't want to ramble any more. I've read up a bit on them in the past. RX-7 stands for Rotary Experimental 7. Engines were intended for use in aircraft due to their low number of moving parts. INGENIOUS creations, they are. Who ever thought that up was either insane or a genious...maybe a little of both. They're completely explained on www.howstuffworks.com. Very cool site, too. There are only 3 moving parts in a 2 rotary engine, the crank and the 2 rotors, so one would think it would be amazingly reliable. In the beginning, they had some...ehh...."minor kinks".... and a lot of engine fires were the result. They are (or were, at least...the Renesis engine used in the new RX-8 has probably been improved since the early days...one would hope, anyway) extremely inefficient. They had horrid emmisions and gas milage. Can be very powerful and they are very light, so they do have potential. The RX-7 and RX-8 handle very well due to the engines and cars being so light.

The W16.....fuck that in the ass hole.....extremely expensive to build, extremely expensive to buy, extrememly expensive to own, extrememely expensive to maintain.....basically just way too damn expensive. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many moving parts. To hell with that. I can do the same damn thing with a 6 cylinder. Pretty cool cars, though.

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

Well you would have to really mod up that Skyline LonglivetheZ. There is only so much you can do and its clearly stated that the fastest Skyline trails the S7 by a few miliseconds in 0-60. I doubt you could mod the fastest Skyline even more.......kinda like you said you cant mod the S7 even more.

Oh God....The fastest Skyline? What is "the fastest skyline"? Is there a great big sign over it saying "this is the fastest skyline there is, ever will be, or ever was"?

You are so damned closed minded that it's funny.....you only look at 0-60 and 1/4 times. If I JUST wanted to get to 60 as fast as possible, I'm sure I could tune the car, change out some gears, and get to 60 in 1 second. But that'd be IT. I'd have a top speed of 60 miles per hour. Or...if I was going for top speed, I could tune the car, change out the gearing for top end, and have a top speed of 250 or something....I'd have to go across the US in a straight line, but (I hope) you get my point. My point is that cars can be made to do whatever you want...it is the cars that can do everything extremely well that are truely amazing. Who CARES if this car beats that car by a few fucking MILLISECONDS!?!?...even though I doubt it does. I know a Skyline can be built up to spank the shit out of anything you want. You have fun modding your $400,000 S7...ya damned idiot. Tell me what the Skyline's rear license plate says as I kick your ass on my way to my house I bought with the money I had left over from NOT buying a nearly half million dollar car.

[mikegee]

Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

Dont worry ghetto, you will soon find out in the next few months the numbers that the new Mustang will put out. Im not going to lie to you but I have heard that they are at least going to put 280hp on the GT. They are also using the Ford Thunderbird chassis which is lighter than what they are currently using. They said at first they were going to put a 390 hp supercharged engine in the GT but it could go either way.

As for the S7 you can most definitely mod it to be faster so dont get your hopes up when you say you can take a 40,000 Skyline and mod it to be better. You are just saying that because you think it can be faster when in fact you dont know what you are talking about. Yea you might come close but the S7 has a lot of extra sporty features that the skyline doesnt have and also their remarkable braking system.

Ford still makes powerful engines and I will give you evidence of that. Next year they are coming out with a crate 5.0 V8 420 horsepower engine. I believe it is not supercharged nor comes with a turbo. It is a regular V8 engine and it gives to show you that V8 engines have potential. Probably cost an arm and a leg to buy but if I had the chance to get it, I'd grab it.

fords problems is not there engine number kinda impressive to me its there wheel numbers most of the time the mustang gt will loss 100 hp through its drivetrain.