350z Sucks! - Page 2

[SS]Disabled · 10-21-2003, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by z33guy

cockaroaches can survive a nuclear attack and live with their heads cut off

The vq might live that long

Thanks for the information.............ehm...............are you working in pest control or something?

deadmaninc · 10-21-2003, 08:37 PM

The mustang they were refering to was the GT if I am not mistaken.

longlivetheZ · 10-22-2003, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

This is kind of pathetic how you guys are all talking about the Nissan Z because i looked up the specs and it does not have the horsepower or 0-60 time that other cars have. Im a die hard Mustang fan and if you check out the Mustang Cobra specs or the Saleen specs, then you will know that no Nissan will smoke a Mustang.

Are you KIDDING!? No replacement for displacement.......riiiiiiight........some people will never learn. The VQ has so much potential...Stillen is working with the newly designed roots type supercharger for the 350Z and will probably start selling another SMZ. Pit your little ford up against that. Even up against a regular Z...it'd be extremely close off the line and you'd be gone once we hit a turn. Ford is just starting to learn that a live axle in the rear handles like ass in turns. They finally put independant rear in the new(er) Cobra. Not a bad car, but it doesn't have the potential that the Z has. It's pretty much maxed out. It has quite a low specific output...Not even 100 hp/liter. The 90-96 300ZX's were putting that out stock. Plus, It already has a supercharger on it...the Z is a normally aspirated V-6. If it can do ~5.4 0-60 STOCK...you just wait till mods come out...we're no where NEAR maxed out...

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Originally Posted by Z33GUY

especially when i can get a mach 1 for a few grand over a base model Z, and the SVT cobra is the same price as a track model Z.

I read a comparison of the Mach 1 and the 350 (and another car but I can't remember which) and it was unanimous...unless you don't just plan on going in a strait line everywhere...get the Z.

But...on top of it all...to get a mustang that's even worth half a damn, you have to spend $47,000 for a Saleen (all prices off autotrader.com), $40,000 for an SVT Cobra, or $30,000 for a Mach 1. All that for a MUSTANG...people need to be somewhat original and stop buying cars that you SEE EVERYWHERE...mustangs, even the higher end SVT, are all OVER THE PLACE...like a damn BACTERIA....there is no way I will ever understand buying a 30-40,000 car that you see more of then any one person will ever care to.

Long Live The Z

svtcobra007x · 10-23-2003, 07:40 PM

Im going to have to disagree with you on that. Yea so what if you have to pay extra for a Saleen Mustang because its not surpring considering the fact that one of their cars is the S7 which is one of the fastest in the world. And that car costs around $400,000. But I have read statisics where certain Saleen Mustangs have maxed out at about 500 hp. I don't think any Nissan is gonna tear it off the road. Plus if you checked out the new Mustang coming out in 2005, it adds even more power to the Mustang. They are saying that even a GT could get around 400 horses under the hood but I can't say that for a fact. Even Shelby might come back and modify it like they did in the past. Yea and the reason you see so many Mustangs on the road is because everyone loves them. Granted, not every Mustang people own is a GT so that cuts down the cost a lot but since its still sporty enough, they sell lots of them. But do you see lots of Saleens, Rousches, Cobra R's, or Steeda Mustangs out on the road, definetely not. Those are the rare ones but hell, they are definitely worth paying the extra bucks for. But your kidding yourself if you think a Z is better than a Saleen(0-60)<4.5 seconds. Z has trouble getting lower than 5.4 seconds.

Just gotta love that Mustang sound.

longlivetheZ · 10-24-2003, 12:07 AM

You just kinda rambled on in that post so badly that it's difficult to address a single point, so I'm going to have to adress issues as I read down your post (with the exception of the first part).

1 thing that REALLY ANNOYS ME...everyone looks at the same 3 damn things...1 and 2: 0-60 and quarter mile. That's bullshit because these vary SO MUCH. Depends on ambient air temp, the driver, age of the car, fuel type, mods, track/ground conditions, tires used, etc. I've seen the stock Z32 (90-96, see sig) 300ZX TT quoted as high as 5.6 0-60 and as low as 5.2, and 3: horsepower. Horsepower gets WAY too much attention. Power is nothing without control. If you have 8000HP at the wheels and you just sit there and bake your tires...big whoop....you're gunna get beat by a dump truck. There is SO MUCH MORE TO A CAR then how damn fast it can go in a straight line.

I don't know why the hell you're talking about the S7. COMPLETELY different kind of car...that should be compared to the Nissan Skyline...why you brought that up now is beyond me.

Saleen mustangs max out at 500HP? A) I REALLY hope not. That's not much. B) I seriously doubt that. If that is true, that's the most pathetic max I've EVER heard of. If you don't think a Nissan (bein aweful broad there...there are faster nissans out there then the Zs in question...) could smash a 500HP car, you're nieve.

I've seen the new mustang. It's still quite far off. There are so many things that could still change.

As far as seeing Cobras and steedas and blah blah blah...I do see them FAR more often (even living here in Kenfucky...even MORE SO when I lived in West Palm Beach, Fl) then, say, a MKIV TT Supra, RX7, VR4, etc. They're like damned bacteria. To top it all off, they're ugly as sin (not even talking about the hidious [sp] interior). But beauty is in the eye, right?

Z has trouble getting below 5.4........riiiiiiiight. The Z32 and the Z33 can be under that so easily. I've seen them around 4.3 for a fact and I know that that's not the fastest one out there, either. YOU'RE kidding YOURSELF if you think your $47,000 mustang could just walk away from a modded Z...and the Z would still cost less, get better gas mileage, AND look better.

As long as it doesn't sound like an annoying mosquito, who gives a damn what a car sounds like...most trivial damn thing ever...

hottoddyo · 10-24-2003, 11:40 AM

I couldn't have said it better myself. To tell everyone the truth, I could care a less about how fast I can go. I just love to look good and have people look at me in awe as I drive by!!! Cool shades - ON!

svtcobra007x · 10-24-2003, 03:29 PM

Yea thats right you have to modify a Nissan Z to make it as fast as a Saleen. It doesn't have the power compared to the Saleen when it is sold at an auto place. The reason I brought up the S7 was because of its great performance and that they are consistent thoughout all the cars they make.

Also Im saying you can buy Saleens that max out at 500hp and over. I didnt say they just stop at 500hp because with a Nissan Z, you only start out with like 280 horses and theres only so much you can do to modify a car and it still wont be as fast as a Saleen. You can probably modify a Saleen, and it will be twice as fast as 2 modified Nissans put together. Yea thats overexaggerating but you get the point. Check this site out http://www.huntfordmercury.com/saleen.html Yea, the Saleen SR rules in every aspect.

And looks? You guys are crazy if you dont admit that the Saleen Mustangs are quite fancy. They are definitely not ugly. For god sakes the Saleen is just a better brand because they take cars and jazz them up to their full potential. I cant wait for Shelby to release their version of the 2005 Mustangs because then I can confirm that the Mustangs are just a hell of a lot better.

To sum this all up guys, I really wouldn't want a car that looks kinda like a hatchback and it just doesn't have the popularity like the Mustangs do. Oh and 1 more thing its not just the new cars we are talking about. Put a 1968 Shelby King Cobra Jet Mustang against a 2003 Nissan Z, damn your screwed.

2005 Mustang is far off huh?.....less then a year is not far off.........

z33guy · 10-24-2003, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by [SS]Disabled

Thanks for the information.............ehm...............are you working in pest control or something?

No just useless shit i pick up from people, i think its called school.

longlivetheZ · 10-25-2003, 01:56 AM

Little more organized this time...thank you.

Of course I'm going to have to modify the Z....I'm competing with a modified mustang. That's all a Saleen is. Same with the SVT, Rousche [sp.], and Shelby stuff. They are just modified mustangs that you can buy at the dealer (I think you can buy the saleen and rousche [sp.] at the dealer......). The Z has MUCH more potential...just look at the 0-60 times....the STOCK Z has the 0-60 of ~5.4.....the STOCK mustang has 0-60 of ~6. I went and drove a Z today. That thing is damn fast already...not to mention that it handles amazingly (something the mustang sure as HELL can't say). I had the car salesman hanging on for dear life. I REALLY doubt you can further modify the Saleen. For the most part, it's a race car already.

Ok....looks are subjective. BUT......"mustang" and "fancy" do NOT belong in the same sentance EVER. They are on of the drabest, plainest, most boxy (.36 CD....a BOX, in otherwords...compared to the Z .29...Z has less drag then the damn PORSCHE 911 at .31!!!) newer cars out there right now.

Holy SHIT man.....that SR is the most God aweful thing ever...ok...that one could probably pass for "fancy"....blargh. Bet it costs a shit load more then a regular Saleen, too.

*AHHHHHHHHHHH HA HA HA.......after further research: "The retail price for the Saleen SR starts at $150,000."* --SALEEN WEBSITE For that much, go buy a true supercar like a Porsche 993 or Ferrari [sp.]....

The new mustangs aren't going to be out until mid next year, man....not exactly tomorrow....

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Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

To sum this all up guys, I really wouldn't want a car that looks kinda like a hatchback and it just doesn't have the popularity like the Mustangs do.

I think I've kinda figured you out...you don't like cars because of what they are or what they can be...you like them because they're popular or because you like the way they look. You probably think the sound is really important, too....

Z's aren't only beautiful...they're true sports cars in every sense of the term (braking, handling, aerodynamics, technology...not JUST 0-60 and 1/4 mile times...) for the right price.

How old are you?

svtcobra007x · 10-26-2003, 02:11 PM

Well Saleens are not just for racing , you know they're street legal. But yea the Mustang GT probably has something around 6 seconds for 0-60. Its kinda hard to compare these different types of cars considering the fact that the Mustangs are made by all sorts of brands yet Nissan is made by one. Ford breaks it into the regular Mustang, the GT, the Cobra, and the (Cobra R which I never really mentioned but its a fast mutha). Then you go into the categories of Saleen, Steeda, and Rousche, which are broken into different subcategories also. Do I think the Nissan handles better than the Mustang, probably yea. But do I think that the best Mustang out there is faster than the Z, probably also.

I tend to like American cars more than foreign cars. Foreign cars usually have high priced parts and some of those parts are extremely hard to find which I have heard about from people. Nissans are made in Japan and I wouldn't want to drive in an overpriced jap crap car, but then again, thats just me(even though the Z's cheap already).

Im not going to bash your dream car because that is your preference. I like Mustangs because they have always been bad ass cars, especially the Shelby GT-500 in "Gone in Sixty Seconds". I see mid next year not long in the future, maybe not tomorrow, but definitely not far off. I like how their making it look like the GT-500, it gives it a flashback look.

Probably not as old as you but old enough to know about this shit.

longlivetheZ · 10-27-2003, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

Well Saleens are not just for racing , you know they're street legal.

........of.......course........I..........knew.... ....that............

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Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

But yea the Mustang GT probably has something around 6 seconds for 0-60.

Check www.jbcarpages.com GT 0-60 = 6 sec.

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Its kinda hard to compare these different types of cars...

Why's that? You don't seem to mind comparing a STOCK Z to an modded SVT Cobra, Steeda, or Cobra R....

As for the Cobra R...(specs: www.rapidcars.com/cobrarspec.html
Gen info: http://www.yellowmustangregistry.com/CobraR.htm):

Specs:
Price: $54,000...damn near twice the Z
0-60: 4.4...damn fast.

Gen Info:
Lowered suspention and added ground effects...looks cool...good on the track....have fun with driveways and speedbumps...
No radio or A/C...fun fun....
300 built for 2000 model year...
Bottom line...yea it's fast...IT'S A FUCKING RACE CAR....that's even FURTHER beyond comparing the Z to the SVT or Steeda or what ever other modded mustang...Plus it's expensive as hell PLUS it's horribly impractical [sp.] to drive on the roads regularly...PLUS....it's all irrelevant anyway.....CUZ YOU CAN'T FIND EM.

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Do I think the Nissan handles better than the Mustang, probably yea.

Yup...GT Lat G's: .82g Z: .89g (jbcarpages.com)

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Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

But do I think that the best Mustang out there is faster than the Z, probably also.

Wrong again...GT 0-60: ~6 sec.....Z: ~5.4 sec....Z wins.
GT top speed: 139......Z: 156 Z wins. (jbcarpages.com)
The SVT's top speed is electronically limited to 155...most likely because it's geared really short (for fast acceleration but no top end....resulting in the <5 sec 0-60) so they did that so people aren't imploding engines left and right by running into the rev limiter trying to hit 160...

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Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

I tend to like American cars more than foreign cars.

Which is why you're too dumb to realize that the next statement is completely obsurd...

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Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

Foreign cars usually have high priced parts and some of those parts are extremely hard to find which I have heard about from people. Nissans are made in Japan and I wouldn't want to drive in an overpriced jap crap car, but then again, thats just me(even though the Z's cheap already).

Don't be an idiot...take your head out of your ass. It's 2003...not 1973...you can get any damn part you want. Also, It's not a damn PORSCHE...it's a NISSAN...it's a pretty common car. Parts are everywhere for it. I got a free alternator for my old 1986 300ZX when it went out from some GUY my DAD KNEW...so hard to find.......riiiiiiight.

Overpriced? Riiiiiiiight....a stock, run of the mill Z (even the Z32's from the mid/early 90's as in my sig) would smash any old, ordinary, run of the mill mustang. Even the V8 GT...which is PRETTY damn pathetic...

The Shelby GT rocks.....that car's bad as hell...gotta love the classics. The new mustang doesn't look too bad...not yet at least. I like the throwback to the 70's era mustangs...back when they were cool and somewhat original.

The mustang you posted pics of...that's a pretty nice car...too bad it's a rip for the money.

Old enough? What....16? Sound like you're 16. However, I must commend you on your determination. I show you up every time in every way. You just refuse to believe that the mustang is an inferior car. I still have plenty to go, so just keep coming...I haven't even had to go into how lame the V8 the GT uses is. Damn SOHC....weeeeeeeak. My 1986 300ZX was SOHC. SOHC V8...live rear axle...get with the times, Ford...the only way you get anything worth a damn is to shell out a pretty hefty chunk of money. That extra money spent could be put to MUCH better use in a Z or many other cars. Hell...you can get a Corvette for the price of an SVT.

Give up.....you're fighting an un-win-able battle.

svtcobra007x · 10-27-2003, 03:25 PM

Me give it up? There is no way in hell im going to let a Nissan diehard try to defend his POS car against a Mustang. Mustangs rule the US and leave the Z's in the dust. The Mustangs have been around longer and there name will keep going on.

And you keep mentioning the god damn handling on a Z compared to the Mustang. You are just trying to find one damn error in the Mustang so you can rub it in my face. I know the Saleen's can handle well and are not as bad as you think. Your arguments really don't make sense.

The stock Z and the stock Mustang do not compare to each other. Put another Jap crap Nissan against the GT. The Z should really compare to the Cobra since they cost in more of the price range but hell, Cobra stills kicks ass.

Come on give me something more than a stock Z, what is the highest class for the Z, or in your case, MODDED. How much more power can you actually put into a Z, I would really like to know, theres only so much you can do with a V6. Because looking at a 287 V6 horsepower car, why would someone want to pay about $26000(overpriced) when you could get a 2003 Cobra for $30000 with 390 horses in a V8. Explain that to me.

And please don't compare your Z32's against the older standard Mustang V8's. Why dont you compare a Mach 1 or a Boss Mustang against a Z32. Ford didn't make the GTs all powerful back then, they had different classes and even today, but 260 horses is good for a standard 2003 GT at about $22,000. You cant compare a Z32 against an old standard V8 Mustang.

longlivetheZ · 10-28-2003, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by svtcobra007x

There is no way in hell im going to let a Nissan diehard try to defend his POS car against a Mustang. Mustangs rule the US and leave the Z's in the dust. The Mustangs have been around longer and there name will keep going on.

You don't even want to compare the Nissan Skyline to the cobra...and that's an inline 6...

You're calling the Z a POS.......my God......you're dumber then I thought.....you can't call the Z a pos, even if you don't like them. Ok....you dumb ass....research things before you make dumb statements. I looked on the internet for 5 min and found out that the mustang was only out for 5 damn years before the Z. Boy......that's a long time. The Z sold 500,000 units faster then ANY OTHER CAR IN HISTORY. Even your damn mustang. The Z won TEN CONSECUTIVE SCCA titles. Go to this link for the complete history....the Z won just about every damn title and/or championship of the time.

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And you keep mentioning the god damn handling on a Z compared to the Mustang. You are just trying to find one damn error in the Mustang so you can rub it in my face. I know the Saleen's can handle well and are not as bad as you think. Your arguments really don't make sense because why the hell would someone want to do 40mph around a turn. No one gives a shit about the turning unless your a speed demon asshole or a racer.

Oh..........my...............God............that's the stupidest statement I've ever heard. I'm going to put that in my sig, it's so funny. Why would someone want to corner well.....because they like to drive!! Because they like the feel of a good, solid, performance car. That was the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone say...You've gotta be 16 or something...either that or you act like it. Saying "why would someone want to corner well" when buying a sports car is like saying "why would someone want to carry stuff" when buying a truck....dumbest thing I've ever heard. A better question is, why do so many people like to just go straight? Roads aren't straight...what good is it to be able to go mach 2 down a drag strip, but you have to drive your "sports car" like a grandma around town cuz it handles like butt.

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The stock Z and the stock Mustang do not compare to each other. Put another Jap crap Nissan against the GT. The Z should really compare to the Cobra since they cost in more of the price range but hell, Cobra stills kicks ass.

Of course you're going to say that...it's the only mustang that doesn't blow ass. Why aren't we comparing the Z (NA V6) the the normal mustang (NA V6)?...that's perfectly fair. I should end it there. Hell...even the V6 mustang has a larger engine then the Z. You can't even beat it with 2 more cylinders...you have to add forced induction.

If I should so decide to even up the odds some, they make superchargers and turbo kits for the Z. I already beat the holy HELL out of the V6, which is approx 300cc LARGER then the Z's engine, the GT which has 2 fucking CYLINDERS on me...damn man...you need a larger handicap STILL??!!?? You have to go FURTHER and SUPERCHARGE the damn thing to be able to beat me. Pathetic.

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Come on give me something more than a stock Z, what is the highest class for the Z, or in your case, MODDED. How much more power can you actually put into a Z, I would really like to know, theres only so much you can do with a V6.

Ok.....check this out. The cobra's supercharged V8 puts out 84.8 horsepower per liter of displacement. The Z's normally aspirated V6 puts out 82 horsepower per liter. That's damn lame that a supercharged V8 puts out a mere 2.8 more hp/liter then a normally aspirated V6. You think that the VQ (the engine in the Z) is maxed out? You're waaaaaaay wrong. I've already heard of one with a TT kit on it that has over 400 to the wheels. The car's still quite new so the aftermarket companies are still developing things for the engine. I gurantee that if you put that TTZ33 up against the Cobra or whatever else you'd like, it would be an extrememly formidable competitor, if not the winner....even if we don't turn....turn...turn....turn......what's that....you idiot.

Speaking of the VQ:

"The Steelers of the 1970s. The Forty-Niners of the 1980s. The Yankees of any decade. Michael Schumacher. The Red Wings.

Nissan Motor Co. Ltd.'s “VQ” V-6 is beginning to approach the point where we're comfortable mentioning it in the same company. A dynasty."
--Ward's Top Ten Engines artical

...it's been named to Ward's Top Ten Engine list 9 years in a row. It's also the ONLY ENGINE to EVER do so. Oh wait...I must have missed something....I don't see the mustang's engine in it at ALL...imagine that....cuz it's lame.

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Because looking at a 287 V6 horsepower car, why would someone want to pay about $26000(overpriced) when you could get a 2003 Cobra for $30000 with 390 horses in a V8. Explain that to me.

Because not everyone is as amazingly idiotic as you. Some people know what a good car is. In the Z's review, the editors at JBCarpages could not go more then a paragraph without saying something good about the Z. I read the Mustang's review...they didn't say ONE GOOD THING about it. It's just an average car, at best. People might buy the Z because they love to drive...or they may buy it because they know it is a phenomenal car with a phenomenal engine with the potential to be a painfully fast car....in every way...not just in a straight line. They may buy it because it's unique...something the mustang won't ever be able to say. Overpriced is your oppinion because it's not so fast in a straight line...yet you're still too dumb to realize what the word potential means. I don't know where you're going to find a $30,000 cobra...list price is $47,000 there, buddy.

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And please don't compare your Z32's against the older standard Mustang V8's. Why dont you compare a Mach 1 or a Boss Mustang against a Z32. Ford didn't make the GTs all powerful back then, they had different classes and even today, but 260 horses is good for a standard 2003 GT at about $22,000. You cant compare a Z32 against an old standard V8 Mustang.

Ehhh....I wasn't comparing the Z32 against the older mustangs...I was comparing it to the new one and the Cobra. The GT's aren't all powerful NOW. They put out less power then the Z's V6!! And again, you're saying I can't compare a standard Z against a standard mustang. Why not?! You're only saying that because you know the Mustang needs a handicap to compete.

Give it up already...your p.o.s. mustang won't even beat the Z in a fair match...

longlivetheZ · 10-28-2003, 02:02 AM

If you want out of my sig, you must first bow down to the Z. Until then, all 104,930 members of automotiveforums.com gets to laugh at your dumb ass.

svtcobra007x · 10-28-2003, 03:10 PM

U know nothing about Cobras considering the fact that they go for around $30000 not $47000, thats a Saleen price. The Cobra R goes for around $57000.
http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/detai...src=autos/make

When I was referring to turns I was referring to turning into a block or a neighborhood. I wasnt even thinking about curves on the road you asshole. Who gives a shit about curves, Mustangs handle them no problem. You are bullshitting your Nissan so much because it doesn't have any potential against a Mustang. Test your modded Z to a Rousch, a Steeda, or a fucking Saleen and you will still find the Z to be all powerless. Thoses Z's look like POS's when I see them on the road. They are so god damn small that one small accident is going to most likely cost a fortune to repair.

Yea the Nissan makers give you no bang for your buck. They charge you an arm and a leg for looks and how convenient it is inside. Ford on the other hand gives you the bang for your buck, not a dinky inline 6 but a V8 with power.

Go out and mod your damn Z(who knows how much that will cost), but at least Ford, Steeda, Rousche, and Saleen, take the time so you dont need to mod it by yourself, they fork out enough power against your weak Z. Why cant you understand the performance? It is clearly stated that the Saleen can do 0-60 in 4.0 seconds and clocks out at about 200 mph. The Cobra can do about 4.9 seconds in 0-60 and the Steeda and Rousche, which you dont even want to know, are bats out of hell. Your Z can hardly get past 5 seconds and its top speed is nothing compared to the Stangs. You cant beat it even if you mod your Z to the max.

You know my posts in this forum were going to end on the first page when people were agreeing with me that the Stang had more power and the Z was more than just power, it was the name that had run through the family. But then you came along criticizing the Stang left and right, trying to convince me the Z had more power, but technically your wrong. Criticizing is not the answer man, its the truth that matters. But dont worry, when the 2005 Mustang comes out, probably going to pump out 400 horses under the hood with the GT and God knows how much with the Shelby, your criticizing better come to an end. Better hope Nissan even attempts to mod the Z a bit, because its really sad right now.

You are so pathetic. Why put a statement that I said into your sig when I clearly didn't mean what you were talking about. Think before you act you jackass.

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