Fate of XPs - Page 4

TcarR · 10-11-2003, 01:29 PM

We can't tell from that picture if the tub was damaged or not. If it wasn't it could have been repaired. Anybody know anything about the McLarens at the BMW Museum?

In the top gear video with tiff needle there is a mellow yellow car at about 3 minutes in. Is this the clinic model or is it an XP. I has driving lamps and normal door mirrors. Any ideas?

mini magic · 10-11-2003, 02:54 PM

the yellow car is the clinic model.

i don't think there are any mclarens at the bmw museum any more. IMO

McLaren Mike · 10-11-2003, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TcarR

In the top gear video with tiff needle there is a mellow yellow car at about 3 minutes in. Is this the clinic model or is it an XP. I has driving lamps and normal door mirrors. Any ideas?

Mabey it's a normal f1, could be #14, earley chassis, seeing in the video they displayed 001 and 002 and 003 in building process.

mini_magic, how about those pics.

-mike

mini magic · 10-11-2003, 09:24 PM

lemme look

Peloton25 · 10-12-2003, 03:30 AM

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Btw, the updated mirrors (thinner ones than most road cars) came from the XJ220 (they look identical)

It was the original style mirror that was shared with the XJ220 and also the Lotus Esprit. I think it may have even been sourced from some other manufacturer's parts bin before ending up on those two cars.

The final production mirror comes from the VW parts bin along with the switch for controlling the mirrors in the right side console. The mirrors are most definitely the exact same mirror found on the Corrado. I believe that tvrfreak even confirmed they still have the VW stamping on the underside.

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Anybody know anything about the McLarens at the BMW Museum?

The BMW Mobile Tradition Museum used to feature three McLaren F1s - a silver road car, and two FINA liveried GTRs, one short and one long tailed. It's unclear if those cars are still there, it's also undetermined exactly which cars they are. I can tell you that the #39 livery on the short tailed GTR would make it GTR #17R, however that car is the one that PTG racing holds for BMW events here in the US. Possibly there are two GTRs wearing an identical livery now? Or possibly that car and the others are no longer there in the museum. It's hard to say because BMW doesn't allow cameras in there. That's a real shame I think.

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Originally Posted by TcarR

In the top gear video with tiff needle there is a mellow yellow car at about 3 minutes in. Is this the clinic model or is it an XP. I has driving lamps and normal door mirrors. Any ideas?

It's most definitely the Clinic Model seen in the video there. If you pause the video on the rear shot you can see that the car only has two sets of the vents on the rear bumper above the exhaust. Only the Clinic Model and the early prototypes lacked all four sets. If you pause it on the front shot a few moments later you can also see the small eyebrow vents in the panels above the headlights. Those are a design feature that was only seen on the Clinic Model and XP1 - you won't find them on any other F1, prototype or production. Here's a shot of the Clinic Model on display at some auto show finished in that canary yellow.

It was apparently painted that color at the request of a customer who couldn't decide between it and silver. Not satisfied with the yellow 1/8th scale mockup that McLaren Cars had already painted for them, they requested Ron Dennis have a full size car painted that color. Regrettably, as the story goes, Dennis had the Clinic Model painted that color and the customer quickly settled on the silver. I'm not sure what the final fate of the Clinic Model was. I'd assume that McLaren Cars is still holding on to it. It certainly can't go anywhere under it's own power.

>8^)
ER

drewwtms · 10-13-2003, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Peloton25

Possibly there are two GTRs wearing an identical livery now?
ER

Good eye on that one! BMW's webcam shows an F1 GTR with #39 and with red Motorsport flags on the nose. The BMW NA McLaren has blue Motorsport flags and also wears #39. If I remember correctly, the US-sponsored car was #39 and the French/English team was #38.

mini magic · 10-13-2003, 06:28 PM

I NOTICED IT NOT HIM (j/k about me being angry, but it was me

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you are right about the numbers too

andybee · 10-16-2003, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Peloton25

It was the original style mirror that was shared with the XJ220 and also the Lotus Esprit. I think it may have even been sourced from some other manufacturer's parts bin before ending up on those two cars.

The final production mirror comes from the VW parts bin along with the switch for controlling the mirrors in the right side console. The mirrors are most definitely the exact same mirror found on the Corrado. I believe that tvrfreak even confirmed they still have the VW stamping on the underside.

>8^)
ER

Yes, first mirrors on the clinic model were unique. When relocated down to bottom of the a-pillar, they were initally Citroen CX mirrors, then the production mirror is Corrado as suggested, but IIRC it does have a different support/mount to the VW one.

Sorry dont know about XP3, but I always "assumed" it was the crashed one, but no evidance on that

andy

TcarR · 10-21-2003, 10:45 AM

Before i look stupid by posting something that suggests XP3 was rebuilt, i need to know at least which month of '95 that our friend Bernd rolled it. Anybody know?

andybee · 10-22-2003, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Peloton25

. I'm not sure what the final fate of the Clinic Model was. I'd assume that McLaren Cars is still holding on to it. It certainly can't go anywhere under it's own power.

>8^)
ER

It was at Beaulieu Motor Museum, and from memory Beaulieu has a brick floor, so maybe its still there?

Peloton25 · 10-22-2003, 10:07 AM

Thanks for the tip. A quick check of their website which includes menus for the cars they display would make it appear that its no longer there. Might be worth it to send a local in that direction just to make sure.

>8^)
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mini magic · 10-22-2003, 11:57 AM

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It was at Beaulieu Motor Museum, and from memory Beaulieu has a brick floor, so maybe its still there?

damn, i'll have to check that out when i go in december

TcarR · 11-10-2003, 10:38 AM

Can somebody post the picture on page 223 of drving ambition (the one with 01R, XP1 LM and XP3). It is my understanding that XP1 LM was finished at the very start of december 95, and that XP3 was crashed earlier in the same year. So it would appear that XP3 was rebuilt, as seen in this picture, which couldn't have been taken earlier than early December.

maartenvanthek · 11-10-2003, 11:15 AM

that's some great detective work (provided it's true)

Peloton25 · 11-10-2003, 11:24 AM

Well it's true to the point that that is the caption next to the photo. There's no way to know if it truly is "XP3". It could be any silver F1 road car. This is one of those mysteries that will require an official answer to a few questions.

What is the true fate of XP3 - and XP2 since some people seem convinced that it was revived after crash testing.

Also, which car did Bernd really crash? Was it repairable?

If anyone wants to go knock on the door at the new McLaren Technology Center and ask, that would be great.

>8^)
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