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04-29-2008, 07:11 AM | #1 | |
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PICC and hydro assist fuel cell
This company took a full page ad out in my local paper. Just curious as to what you folks think.
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Re: PICC and hydro assist fuel cell
absolute, 100%, complete and total BS. My favorite quote from that site is:
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Re: PICC and hydro assist fuel cell
Don't you just love their "play" on words/adjectives. There are also numerous grammar errors in their site also.
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Re: PICC and hydro assist fuel cell
Keep us posted. I drive 70 miles round trip every day for work in a 03 Tahoe. So if the thing really works, 25 mpg for my truck would be sweet.
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Re: PICC and hydro assist fuel cell
I certainly will.
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Or its a serial killers car that runs on blood and coasts on.... Anyway, whenever they have an independent company test it, then I might be interested. They could at least use a hot chick to push their product. Bewbies can sell anything....well almost anything.... |
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04-30-2008, 06:20 PM | #8 | |
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Re: PICC and hydro assist fuel cell
well try it someone.
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05-01-2008, 01:06 AM | #9 | ||
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You do realise whats involved in breaking down hydrocarbons into the separate elements? I have feeling we might all be about to get a chemistry and physics lesson from Curtis
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Re: PICC and hydro assist fuel cell
I'll consider that an invitation
There is all kinds of talk about "hydrocarbon clusters" and how fuel catalysts break them up. Gasoline Hydrocarbons are huge, simple molecules. Even if catalysts COULD crack hydrocarbons, what's the point? Then you have a smaller hydrocarbon and hydrogen. The net amount of stored chemical energy isn't changed appreciably. Trust me... if a snake-oil bolt on could crack hydrocarbons, ExxonMobil would be using the technology to refine crude. Since they're not, I call BS.
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05-01-2008, 01:59 AM | #11 | |
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Re: PICC and hydro assist fuel cell
All I can say is:
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Why doesn't ExxonMobil do that? Why would they? They have absolutely no reason whatsoever to be more efficient. If it costs more and we need more of it, they charge us more and they make more money. Throughout history people have said "If they're not doing it, it can't be done". At one time it was impossible to travel faster than the speed of sound (infact, at one time if you went over 25 MPH you would die because all the air would get sucked out of your lungs). At one time it was impossible to get a package from NY to CA overnight. Facts change. EDIT: apparently ExxonMobil may do that, as explained in my next post.
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Each person who claimed to have done so was either mistaken or fraudulent. This IMO is the latter. A modern EFI engine runs at stoich or lean at cruise, there is no significant amount of fuel being burn in the cat converter and no noticable gains to be made there. Cracking fuel into smaller molecules makes for a less dense product, go too far and you've turned your liquid fuel into gas. Do vehicles running on propane have better efficiency than vehicles running on petrol? No they dont, which exposes the whole "cracking" theory as "crackpot". It's all BS, just like the HHO muppets all over youtube. |
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No significant amount of fuel is burnt in the cat? Why is the outlet hundreds of degrees hotter than the inlet? Internal combustion engines WILL NOT RUN ON LIQUID FUEL, it MUST be vaporized (turned into a gas) for the engine to run. Vehicles running on propane do have better efficiency if you look at the size of the hydrocarbon molecules going in. Nearly all of it is burnt inside the engine, and it's so clean burning that forklifts that run on it can be run all day inside a building without people dying. Split one molecule of nonane into 3 molecules of propane, and that's 47.6% more fuel economy right there doing nothing else (propane's stoichiometric ratio is 7:1). Of course, in reality you're not going to get perfect thirds. You might make some ethane and some butane, and maybe not affect some molecules at all. Cracking theory? Check out this link. Not only can it be done, but we've been doing it for well over 50 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crackin...lytic_cracking. If only there were some place on a car that was very hot with very high pressures... something like the inside of a cylinder... oh, wait, we do have that. I have seen the HAFC work. I'm not saying it's impossible that I was fooled, but I think it's very unlikely in this case.
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Basically the huge amounts of unburnt fuel required to make such claims valid is not present in a modern car. If you're talking about an old worn out carburettor running stupidly rich then sure it's valid. But that's a pointless comparison. Quote:
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LPG forklifts need as much ventilation as petrol forklifts do otherwise people start to die. But the exhaust is cleaner. A petrol engine is not more efficient running on LPG, but a dedicated LPG engine can be built with higher compression to give better efficiency than a petrol engine. Cracking is well understood, but you can't get something for nothing. Burning any hydrocarbon chain to produce water and CO2 (perfect combustion) releases a certain amount of heat energy. Cracking that original hydrocarbon chain into smaller ones does not change the amount of energy present. Regardless, the limitation on efficiency of an internal combustion engine is not the fuel creating heat, it's how it converts that heat to motion. This BS system does not address that. I'm afraid you have been fooled, conservation of energy is a law that has not been broken. Quite simply, if it were possible to gain such a dramatic increase so simply, it would be everywhere already. |
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