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Are are truly funny..... That's all I have to say.
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06-25-2005, 12:42 AM | #47 | |
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gonenuts you are obviously not caring at all about backing up your opinions. jimster and monkey have both stated lots of FACTS while you just blow them off and repeat your opinion that GM is king.
im not an american car hater by a LONG shot but you really need to research and know what your talking about before you speak otherwise you will just look ignorant.
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06-25-2005, 06:20 PM | #49 | |
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All you people saying GM builds bland cars need to take a look at honda and toyota, they don't exactly get my blod pumping. Hell honda doesn't even have a V8. Their truck is a joke, and toyotas trucks aren't any better. GM only sells the most trucks and SUVs of any other manufacturers. They are winning awards for best quality and reliability, and are ranking above average on many fronts. And another thing not everyone wants RWD. I'm sick of saying the same damn things over, only to be ignored anyway and have Jimster who is obviously just as biased as me towards vehicles spin the facts. You want facts, and a real discussion about GM cars and other vehicles, head over to www.gminsidenews.com.
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06-25-2005, 08:17 PM | #51 | |
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I think Filthy Sanchez put it very well, but I'll certainly add that Toyota trucks are probably the best in the world. As far as I know, the Tacoma is 99% the same as the what the rest of the world knows as a Toyota Hilux, the most reliable vehicle in the world bar none, a car favoured in the Middle East/Africa for the unbeleivable strength of thier diesel motors (There's many around parts of Africa with over 1,000,000 km's on them). Remember what they did to one on top gear? They crashed it into a tree, it got swept away to sea, it got dropped off a crane among other things and still started after all that.
Show me a Chevy/GMC pickup that is held in the same regard. Oh and by the way, Mr Nuts, American cars are imports, this is a global forum, act like it.
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06-25-2005, 09:56 PM | #52 | |
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this possibly highlights the biggest differences and possibly the worth of opinions and facts/truth.
opinions. you're entitled to them but they may not be truth. facts/truth. no amount of opinion is going to change them. |
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06-26-2005, 03:53 AM | #53 | ||
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Thanks Jimster,though what I mean by that is if you take all the full size trucks in America as I don't know about the rest of the world (my apologies) and right now the F150 is easily the best truck there. Engine wise I have no problem admitting Toyota's reliability factor. I have no doubt that you could physically abuse the Toyota and it would still start. It's just that a friend of mines father bought a couple for his construction business and they couldn't do half of what he does with the Ford's he now has. Not that I'm ripping on "imports" (I use that term to refer to Toyota and Nissan in this US market) I think the Nissan Titan is very close to the F150, I would say Dodge would be 3rd and you could take your pick amongst the Toyota or Chevy (GMC). Unlike Nuts though I would never claim the Toyota to be trash! The reliability factor alone is above all others, I just don't think as far as chassis strength and toughness goes Toyota didn't bring their A game to this fight. |
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06-26-2005, 01:42 PM | #54 | ||||||
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There is a market for both RWD and FWD. GM has many RWD vehicles in the pipeline, including a Camaro like vehicle. I don't know where you got your quality facts but you may want to double check, GMs reliability and quality scores have been increasing, not decreasing. In terms of plant quality: Quote:
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It's funny how you say toyota and honda vehicles are bland, but yet you also criticize GM for making bland cars, while you don't mention toyota's and honda's bland styling as something bad with the design. GM sales may be declining in the U.S. (in june their sales are up to over a 30% marketshare), but in canada and other key markets like China and India GM continues to improve sales. I believe GMs sales are growing in 6 out of the 7 key sales areas in the World. As far as the lay offs, GMs employees get some of the best health coverage in the world the cost of the coverage is more than $2,000 per GM vehicle, more than twice the amount that toyota has to deal with. The unions refuse to negotiate with GM so this is what happens GM has to cut costs. GM workers are some of the highest paid in the industry.
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06-26-2005, 02:03 PM | #55 | ||
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Jimster that post right there proves you have your head farther up toyotas ass than I do GM. The Tacoma is a joke for a truck, it can't do anything that Ford or GM trucks can do, it's got a wimpy engine, the interior did not impress me one bit. The tundra is the same thing, the engine is wimpy, and it can't tow are haul much at all. I have a friend that has a tundra, he got bad gas one time and he had to have his whole engine rebuilt, I was getting the same gas with my Suburban and hmmm what do you know, I don't have a problem with it at all. What trucks and SUVs are bringing in top marks? That's right Ford and GM. In the heavy duty segment the GMC Sierra 2500HD is considered to be the best. The Small block GM engines are considered to be the best engine designs of all time, and they last forever. toyota has a long way to go before they are even half as good as the trucks offered by Ford or GM, and when the new GMT900 trucks arrive in 2006 toyota will have to play catchup even more. I never see a toyota towing a 30 foot trailer, or for that matter hauling much of anything either. But yet it's odd to see a GM or Ford truck around here without a trailer being towed behind ir or something being hauled in the back. The engines toyota offers are wimpy compared to the V8s offered by GM. It's funny to how toyota is supposed to be the greenest car company in the world, but yet their trucks and SUVs with smaller less powerful engines don't get as good of gas mileage as the bigger SUVs and trucks offered by GM that make more HP and torque than the trucks offered by toyota. Oh and the toyota getting dropped doesn't mean anything. I don't know if you are fimiliar with the show mythbusters but on one show there was this older Cadillac that was put through some similiar test and it still ran. Hell the Cadillac engine didn't die so they took it out and put sugar, bleach, lead, paint, anything they could think of in the oil and gas, and it still ran. It took adding massive amount of bleach to the engine before it started to smoke, and it still ran for awhile before starting to smoke and then finally quiting. Don't forget this engine was from the 70s too when GM was supposedly making junk cars. So yeah woo the toyota can survive a crash, getting dropped and getting some salt water in the interior, just about any truck or car can handle abuse like that, most of it's to the body and not the engine itself. Do you know who sells the most big boat engines in the world, yup you guess it GM, engines on boats are subjected to some of the harshes environments around and the Small Block GM engines are the prefferred for this type of application too.
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and as someone else pointed out, 'problems' reported vary greatly depending on the brand and their customers.
squeeky cabin = a problem reported. engine failing = a problem reported. hmm, so let's see, GM workers are the best paid and have the most expensive (which doesn't always mean the best) coverage. so when GM wants to cut costs and the unions refuse to negotiate (which they have every right to decline), they choose to simply fire employees instead of looking into their other accounts/expenditure. am i the only one who finds this practice more than slightly dubious? |
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06-26-2005, 03:02 PM | #57 | ||
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Yes they do vary greatly that's why the surveys JD Powers sends out takes that into account. That's why trim problems and squeaks don't account for as many points off as a powertrain failure. Either way, toyota, gm and every other manufacturer has duds. As I pointed out with my friends rebuilt toyota engine. It's called business my friend, every company has layoffs. Healthcare costs are one of the biggest problems at GM with the costs projected to triple within the next few years, something needs to be done and the unions won't allow it, this is the next best step.
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OK, just an FYI to everyone who keeps citing JD Power and Associates: all of their stuff is complete bull. Ask anyone in the industry.
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'green' doesn't only mean better mpg.
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06-26-2005, 05:47 PM | #60 | ||
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