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09-24-2001, 05:33 PM | #1 | |
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Further Lowering The Car with Shocks
Hey guys, I have a 99 G20 lowered Eibach Springs. I have cut about half a coil off the springs now they are about 12mm lower than the standard Eibach Springs. However I am still wanting to go lower. The ride is sitting on 215/40/17s and I have already got a camber kit installed with front camber set at -1.8. I am willing to lower it anthoer 20-30 mms so the guards are just sitting on the rims. I have heard that most koni shocks are height adjustable, however the ones for the p11 are not. Do you guys know if there are any other makes that could do the job? I want to keep my Eibach springs and my camber kit.
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09-24-2001, 10:30 PM | #3 | |
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get some JIC's and go as low as you want!
teins drop it pretty low too, low enough for my tastes, at least. why dont you try gc?
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09-24-2001, 11:31 PM | #4 | |
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P10DET: Yea, but I am in New Zealand. I got hold of my camber kit through the official NZ Nissan Performance centre. They are also the people who built and race the NZ Primera Touring car. That camber makes an incredible change handling wise. Front -1.8 rear -1.0 gives it a characteristic of slight oversteering.
Koni or GAB? Are they the same length as the stock shocks? Could they handle springs that are 60mms lower than standard? |
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As for which would handle that much lowering, I think they would be about the same. What would be best is a shortened body damper that would give you some suspension travel back. You want to stay off the snubbers. If not your ride will be harsh and your handling could be dangerous. I would get a coilover conversion if you want to run that low. Coilover conversions will allow you to run Eibach ERS race springs. This in turn will offer you a very wide range of spring rates and much higher rates as well. I'm running KYB AGX (for all intents and purposes the same as GABs) with 275 lb fronts and 200 lb rears. I was running 340/275.
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09-24-2001, 11:39 PM | #6 | |
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JICs and GC? never heard of them b4...brands available in New Zealand are rather limited Heard that the teins NA aren't really the best for damping? Hey know much about the JWT cams? they seem to give a rather impressive increase in high end power. What kind of pricing do they go for? |
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09-24-2001, 11:56 PM | #7 | |
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P10DET: I will get their homepage address for you as soon as i get home Hey what do you think of modifying (shortening) the shocks and bumstops in order to prevent it from buttoming out?
BTW they offer a whole range of camber kits and other mod for Nissan vehicles. |
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They run around $550 US. They also have their C series cams that put down even more impressive numbers, but they have a lumpier idle and give up low end to gain at the high end. They require replacing the valve springs with their own proprietary design springs (very different from most aftermarket springs) and ti retainers. They run around $1,200 US for the set IIRC.
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I have lots of choices for camber correction for my Sentra SE-R (B13 with the SR20DE - a great car), but in The States there are no correction kits for the front of the P10 or P11. If you have someone who can shorten the dampers, that is the ideal solution. Truechoice/Koni progressive bumpstops are really outstanding. Truechoice is a US company now owned by a fellow Kiwi BTW. But anyway, if you can shorten the dampers, that is critical for serious lowering like you are looking to do.
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09-25-2001, 12:22 AM | #10 | |
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Cutting dampers and springs... Would this worsen the handling? Or even shorten the life of them? Hey what kind of figures are the SR20DEs outputing in the States? anything over 180hp at flywheel ? I have always wanted to take some VTECs out as I used to own one too.
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They advertise a camber kit for the P10 as well with prices in NZ$ - $390NZ or $156US for the camber kit. Enter the site, click on "road performance", scroll down and pick your vehicle. Have a good look around the site coz there's a lot there. I'd say the exchange rate US to NZ $ will make his prices competitive. The owner is Peter Van Brugel - he races nissan touring cars (including P10) and is very competitive here. Happy hunting
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09-25-2001, 01:16 AM | #12 | |
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Hehe That is the company that I am talking about
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09-25-2001, 01:32 AM | #14 | |
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hehe dude
that sounds real great I am actually a NiZan member ..if you have heard of them before.. however..i still think we need a Primera club in NZ. Hey is yours a p11? or a p10? mine is a 99 96kw version... I have got my airbox done by peter already..got a Super AFC installed too...but it is still...seriously under power especially around the high rev area... no torque come through after 5600 rpm? We should ask Peter to import the JWT stuffs from the States, if we can form a Primera club ... |
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