civics worth it??

[Cbass]

I have an opinion... all my cars should have some degree of balls. In this light, I will not buy a honda. I don't care how fast you think it is, or even how fast it really is, I want a car that can race when it's full of people.

[TerminalVelocity]

hahahaha, T-BIRD!

*hasnt bothered to keep up with this thread, and I just had to throw this in for how many times i've raced with it full of people, and won *

[G-ealousy]

Every knows civics are not worth it IF YOU WANT TO RACE (well mybe not the people in the honda forums) but let me guess you either dont care about street racing which then i chould see your point they are great cars for getting to point A to point B but if you are trying to say they are good racers your out of your mind just look at the damn info i just dont get how people can just ignor the facts. The people how like civics like i said dont care about racing or its there first car in which case no matter what your first car is you are going to think its the bomb thats just human nature.

Bottem line Civics ARE NOT RACERS (unless you drop an insane amount of cash)

Ha ha!
1st of all, what "race car" hasn't had a lot of money put into the car? Otherwise, wouldn't it just be a car? 2nd, I have a friend with a civic that can run a 11's at sea level... but, that's probably not cool to any of you, just stupid to you all...
And I guess I'll ask again, since it seems everyone dogged the question the first time, have any of you even owned a NEW Honda, or, are v8's all you've ever owned? If you haven't owned a 4 cyl any time in the last 4 years, then you really wouldn't know what you are talking about right?
Oh, and, RACER D12, what facts did I ignore again? That a V12 can beat a V8, and that a V8 can beat a V6, and that a V6 can beat a V4? Well, I guess by that standard, that the "people" have over looked, none of us should try and race, cause there's always a car that will beat your machine.... I guess we should just have 1 class of auto races, instead of multiple classes... eh?

[G-ealousy]

The people how like civics like i said dont care about racing or its there first car in which case no matter what your first car is you are going to think its the bomb thats just human nature.

I'd dare ya to go in the Civic Forum and say that, but I know you wouldn't... if you honestly believe that, you've got a lot to learn young padawan....:sun:

[G-ealousy]

To be honest Vladimer, your best bet to find out info on a car is to visit that forum, not this one. These forums are allways filled with people that own big V8's and have the view that anything less is "stupid'...

[BlkCamaroSS]

Pull your head out of your ass G-ealousy, if you think that statement goes for everyone, you really are more closeminded than I thought. Not all domestic V8's have a "my car's a v8 what's your's" complex. Import tuners have the same mentality when it comes to "my SI has 100 hp per litre, what does your domestic have" kinda crap. Race what you brought, and don't go home crying if you loose. It's for the love of the cars...

I used to have a 90 Integra, in answer to your question. Do not group everyone into stereotypes, it won't ever work...

[RACER D12]

First of all i like imports and i love 4cyl and the facts i was refering to are the civics compare it to a WRX or a GTI, jetta,A4 1.8t and im sure thier are other cars you all think of the point is civics are not good for racing most of the time people end up replacing the engine and then its not a civic any more. thats my point and notice i didnt slam you like a jackass


Get a WRX or if you can wait get the WRX STI thats what im wanting for

[G-ealousy]

I used to have a 90 Integra, in answer to your question. Do not group everyone into stereotypes, it won't ever work...

As soon as people stop feeding the stereotype, I'll stop sterotyping...And as long as there's quotes such as CAptynCrunch said

So, if you want to drag race you've got two choices. You can do the smart thing and buy either a domestic(sorry guys, i love japanese cars, but they aren't designed for drag racing.) with a large displacement engine because that is by far the easiest, cheapest and most importantly fastest way to quicker times.

or the quote from 93speed

If you wanna play The Fast and the Furious and street race then go buy something else like a mustang.

I don't really see how I could view it any other way then a sterotype...

[BlkCamaroSS]

Perpetuating stereotypes doesn't solve anything, make it start with you and convince others with what you know...

[G-ealousy]

Perpetuating stereotypes doesn't solve anything, make it start with you and convince others with what you know...

Well said, that is true, and I do agree. But, when you try and voice against a mass view, more often then not, your opinion and knowlege doesn't matter much... At least on AF that is... You just get bashed anyway...

[RACER D12]

Wait we still talking about civics any ways maybe we did jump all over you for saying civics are good at street racing G-ealousy sorry its your opinion. And i like making cars fast just not cars I THINK are not worth it. I go more for germen, and some japs like EVOs WRXs, STIs, Skylines that stuff. But one thing you never really explaned why you would race a civic, to me i see Fwd bad, almost no torq Important for racing, small displacment bad for drag racing, but thats me what do you see?

[G-ealousy]

But one thing you never really explained why you would race a civic, to me I see Fwd bad, almost no torq Important for racing, small displacment bad for drag racing, but thats me what do you see?

Wanna know.... ? To be honest, this is what I view the race world as.... I see kids that take these cars (civics, escorts, all your little 4's), and like this forum has been talking about, try and drag race them. Well, I have a couple friends that too, try and do this, and do rather well at it too. But, if you look, the only way this is accomplished is through Nos (or the sorts) and some serious, serious dollars in the engine. That's not what it is to me. I think Hollywood ruined the image of this sport with ideas like "fast and the furious"... Personally, I would NEVER try and drag race my little G. That's not what it's designed for. My car, (and the little 4's around the streets), if modified, should be modified for a track, not a drag strip. I think "Red Shoe Racing" when I think of the 4 cyl. cars. If I want to drag race, I'm with everyone on this forum, I'd buy a domestic Z28, or a Cobra 'Stang, you know? That's horse power designed to be quick off the light. My car is not designed to be quick off the light. My car is designed to run at high RPM's to be maintained for extended periods of time... just like a motorcycle engine. A GSX-R is not designed to have torque at 2500 rpm's, it peaks at 7000 rpms... you know? That's what a 2.0 VTEC, or the SR20DE/T is designed for. Racing around a course, not to try a drag strip with. But for some reason, I think American kids got confused, and tried to blend the two types of racing into one. A four, or even a six cyl. car is not designed for draggin. Period. Can a Skyline hang at a drag strip? Absolutely.. but, that doesn't mean that's what the designers had in mind when they developed the car. They're meant to be driven, fast, and be able to handle turns at high speeds etc. A "muscle car" such as a new 'Stang, could really handle it's own on either course I'd bet, but, on a Race Course, you'd never match a Mustang up to my little G, or a Civic, or an Escort even, you would match it up to other V8's. The 6's vs. the 6's, etc... classes of races just like you see at a drag strip. As for a "Drag Strip", though true, I have seen some 4's that really can pull respectable numbers, but, they just really don't belong there. In my opinion anyway. I'll probably get bashed for saying that too.. I don't really care.. But, I do believe that 4 cyl cars are really sweet. I think they handle great (with the right mods) look great and are a fun way to zip around the streets of your city. Nissan, Toyota and Honda too, have made great strides in performance to match European cars in just the last 5 years alone, with the new generations of their models coming out, that, they are the future of Auto Racing... Minus the Drag Strips.... My views and I'm stickin to em....

:bandit:

[fatninja19]

we're currently posting in a street racing message board... so the assumption is that we're talking about racing on the streets. And usually(from my knowlege), most street racing rarely involves corners.. its usually straightline competitions.

i dont think theres anything wrong with drag racing 4 cylinder cars. there is a good amount of little 4 cylinders that would whup on v8's... and i'm talking about in stock form. and is there a rule or something that two 17 second cars can't race? no, racing is racing... wether its a camaro vs a mustang or a geo metro vs my minivan.

[CAptynCrunch]

Damn, this thread still exists? Oh well, where are we now?

Originally posted by fatninja19
we're currently posting in a street racing message board... so the assumption is that we're talking about racing on the streets. And usually(from my knowlege), most street racing rarely involves corners.. its usually straightline competitions.

Boring but then I have to remember most people don't live in an area where the population density is only like 1 person for every 10 or 15 square kilometers, then take into account an old abandoned U.S. base with like 3 or 4 square kilometers of open unused asphalt...so most people don't have my freedoms.

[b]i dont think theres anything wrong with drag racing 4 cylinder cars. there is a good amount of little 4 cylinders that would whup on v8's... and i'm talking about in stock form. and is there a rule or something that two 17 second cars can't race? no, racing is racing... wether its a camaro vs a mustang or a geo metro vs my minivan.[b]

Ok, I'm trying as hard as i can here and I'm still having trouble trying to think of a stock USDM 4 banger that can out drag a stock V8. I mean whats the slowest stock V8? A mustang GT? Maybe a WRX could take it?

[G-ealousy]

Boring but then I have to remember most people don't live in an area where the population density is only like 1 person for every 10 or 15 square kilometers, then take into account an old abandoned U.S. base with like 3 or 4 square kilometers of open unused asphalt...so most people don't have my freedoms.

Well, to be honest CAptynCrunch, I think we all do have access. But, like I said, either kids today are to lazy to try and actuall book a race at a local track, or an abandoned business districts... maybe old air ports... or it's just "easier" for them to drag race... There's also the fact that, once you start adding turns, god forbid, the racers might have to DOWNSHIFT and then UPSHIFT through the course of the race... But, that's not really my point anyway... my point really is that kids in America don't really understand why they're fixing their cars to look like they do... Every true drag FF4 cyl I see has super tubed slicks with a 14' inch rim in the front, and 17" lo-pro tires and wheels in the back... but, that's not what you see on the street.. On the street you see kids with 17" wheels all the way around with tires that cost as much as the rims, and the kids are burnin 'em out?! That's not what that tire was designed for, and that's not what the 17"s are designed for. they're designed for track racing.... but, hey, we'll see if this civic can spin the wheels and burn up a clutch and wear these tires down all in a month! Yeah! Lame....