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View Poll Results: What pisses you off about the Import Scene?
Imports with more stickers that horsepower? 32 52.46%
Domestic cars trying too hard to be Imports? 3 4.92%
The scene sometimes being called the "asian scene"? 8 13.11%
The bull we get from cops for an after market catback on our gas sippin car as a 5mpg muscle car roars by? 18 29.51%
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Old 12-08-2001, 11:17 PM   #16
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Hey max, what do you mean by first and last?

Yeah, polygon, your car does kick ass
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Old 12-09-2001, 12:25 AM   #17
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Also, I'd have to argue the 4-bangers comments. You can make good horsepower from them, bery comperable to the v-8's actually. I'l give you some specs that I do know.. Stock 87 Corvette.. 198 HP. Stock 87 Shelby-Z Daytona... 174 hp. They do run very close in the quarter. I ran my cousin's 86 Vette in my 90 ES turbo when I got it, and they both run about even.

I do enjoy the torque gains of a v-8 though. I'm actually looking to mod a late 30's sedan delivery for a nice highway hauler. I figure a twin turbo 318(I'm a tech fan, gotta have turbos!)

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Old 12-09-2001, 12:28 AM   #18
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Nismo, sorry man.. I meant the 1st comment: More stickers than power, and the last: Bull from police. i think the only stickers on my whole car are the one supporting my part time job for Music Box and the factory Turbo decal on the hood buldge, the last will come of when the car is repainted this spring...hehehe
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no reason to be sorry man, i realized what you meant after i posted, long day at work is gettin to me, lol.

Yeah, gotta love that v8 torque. Hmm, i guess modding 4bangers is like other hobbies out there, or people wanna go for the underdog or something. I like 6bangers....lol....coz all of my favorite cars are 6bangers, so, looks like im taking the middle road as usual
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LOL!! Well, my choice in rides isn't exactly the road most traveled... How many Modded Dodge Daytonas do you see these days.... Besides, the greatest performance car ever ws a 6 cyl... Can I get props to the Nissan 300 zx TT???!!!!! Man, I'd give my leftie for one of those things!! I had a Twin Turbo stealth and got wasted by one.
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I had specified a specific period of time in my post 50'-74'. These were the cars that would come off the line with 250+ hp stock.

Concerning the money issue, here's my confusion there:

* you can buy a used muscle car for between $500-10k

Now, most cars coming off the line after 74' saw a significant drop in hp. Was this due to new emission standards? Help me here.

I guess I can see the challenge in upgrading a 4. I'm still confused why you would want to. I can see doing a 6. Maybe dumping a 6 into a car that came stock with a 4 would make sense. But why drop 3k+ for a turbo on a 4 when you can do it to a 6?

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Old 12-09-2001, 03:36 PM   #22
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tweak- muscle car ratings in the mid 70's dropped off for a few reasons. emissions requirements came into effect, so the quickest way for manufacturers to lower emissions was to put in a mild cam, and drop the average comp ratio from about 10:1 to 8:1. insurance companies started really cracking down on musclecar owners due to the power to weight ratios (Yenko Chevrolet offered chevy's featherweight Nova with a 500 horsepower 427 for a limited time), so manufacturers rated horsepower from the rear wheel rather than from the crank as before. the gas crisis of the mid 70's put an end to musclecars with their poor gas mileage. some would say that the last year for muscle cars was 1971-72 because by '73 they need to be in compliance with the new laws for emissions etc..., so '72 was largely a carry over year.

to put it in perspective- in 1970, the top dog was the LS-6 Chevelle with the 450HP 500lb/ft. 454 in it. 11.25:1 compression ratiostock. it could be pushed to well beyond 500HP with simple tuning on a completely stock motor. in 1973, the top chevelle was the LS-4 chevelle with a 245HP 375lb/ft, 8.5:1 compression 454.
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Thanks for the history lesson.

Now, if muscle cars from the 60's weighted what today's cars weight, can you imagine?

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Old 12-09-2001, 05:59 PM   #24
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I noticed.....

that I was the only one to vote for domestics trying too hard to be imports. I don't know about you guys, but nothing pisses me off more than seeing some damn chevy cavalier with a fucking coffee can sticking out the back of it. I just feel like saying "give it up, your domestic piece of shit would never be able to hang with a civic SI, coffee can or no coffee can!!!" sheesh.
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I cannot believe you're comparing a muscle car to a civic.

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Wait, you said Cavalier. That is a piece of shit.

But please, not all domestic cars are crap. And honestly, Civics are crap stock.

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I cannot believe you're comparing a muscle car to a civic.

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I can't believe you just called a chevy cavalier a muscle car. What cheap sorry excuse for crack are you on!?!?!?
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I can't believe you just called a chevy cavalier a muscle car. What cheap sorry excuse for crack are you on!?!?!?
disregard this. But I didn't say ALL domestic cars are crap. Personally I like mustang GT's. I was just citing a particular example of a domestic trying to be something it wasn't
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Nah. Cavalier's are crap.

But take a nice Dodge Viper modify it and race it against a modified Civic and see who wins.

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Nah. Cavalier's are crap.

But take a nice Dodge Viper modify it and race it against a modified Civic and see who wins.

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That comparision is absolutely ludacrious. I could get 6 honda civics for the price of a dodge viper.
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