DOMESTIC vs IMPORT?

[kaoru-tochiro]

Originally posted by S14Kyle

Z06's cannot hold a candle to the handling of a Skyline GT-R and never will

Wanna know why the Skyline is not in LeMans? Because the Corvette is there kicking ass. Import cars are no match to the ultimate power of American muscle.

Wanna see handling, check out what a 2003 Mustang Cobra can achieve with a couple thousand dollars of Kenny Brown or Griggs suspension upgrades, and with 400 hp and 400 lbs/ft on tap it makes every other car out there look like a joke. To keep from admitting that American muscle is the ultimate, car magazines had to make fun of its interior. That seems to be the only argument to downgrade an awesome sports car "the interior looks cheap" When you're doing 150 mph who cares. Oh, but I forgot, you guys are only into it to look pretty.

[fatninja19]

Originally posted by S14Kyle

Z06's cannot hold a candle to the handling of a Skyline GT-R and never will. Check the numbers boys.

Wow, that was a bold statement.... Did you make that because you were tired or do you really mean that? ha..

[Self]

Originally posted by S14Kyle


I am a little tired right now, so forgive me if I misspell anything.
No one prefers Civics to Mustangs, but they're also in different classes altogether. No one also prefers an Escort to a 300ZX, but you don't see me saying that. Oh wait, you do!
Anyway... When it all comes down to it, race the big boys against other big boys, and the imports will come out on top, if all the factors are the same (other than engine), the imports will always dominate the domestics. Z06's cannot hold a candle to the handling of a Skyline GT-R and never will. Check the numbers boys.

I seriously hope you said that because you're tired...You're definitely the one who needs to check the numbers. And then post them up for us so we can all see them. No wait, actually, I already did it. And the Corvette came out on top. Not going to waste anymore of my time formulating a response to this, as I along with about 5 other people already have. So here are quotes from the previous page. You must have either missed it or ignored it b/c you couldn't face facts...

Originally posted by Self
And a stock Skyline versus a stock Z06 is a blowout as the Skyline is over a second slower in the quarter-mile, has over 100 less horsepower and torque, weighs nearly 300lbs more, and has a lateral acceleration(.88) that is .12 LESS than that of the Z06(1.00). It does however have a superior braking distance, taking 110ft to go from 60-0, whereas it takes the Corvette 125ft to do the same.
There you have it, the Skyline R34 GT-R compared to the Chevrolet Corvette Z06.

Originally posted by flylwsi
where's the skyline at le mans?

it's not.

competing with what car that won their class 2 years running?

the vette.

where do you get off saying vettes can't handle?

that's about the lamest shit i've ever heard.

like self said, the zo6 pulls about 1g on the skidpad... i'm sure it can handle.

faster on a road course? no doubt in my mind it would be the vette.

give both cars the same hp numbers... still the vette...

and the vette will still have massive amounts of torque.

you're not making sense any more.

but people like you guys come here and talk shit about cars that are at least as good, if not better, and you get mad when you're proven wrong.

if i do remember the scc article about the racing on the wangan freeway from last month, they said the fastest car on the wangan was, gasp, a modified vette... hmm...

Originally posted by flylwsi
lets argue some more about the more effective machine...

http://www.lingenfelter.com/pac650ttls1y.asp

that car hits 226. with 650hp.

what does it take to get a skyline that high?

that lingenfelter will eat your skyline on it's way there and outhandle it.

and i'm not at all anti skyline.

but i know the limits.

and i'm sure you could get a skyline with 650hp to hit the numbers of that vette, but it would cost more than the vette.

and this isn't just 1/4 mile.
or 0-60.
or topspeed.
or handling.

it's all of them, and i'll put my money on the vette for every category.

and go home with your money.

or i could step up a notch to the 725hp vette and make sure i take your money.

for far less than it would cost to build the skyline that matches those numbers....

Originally posted by Octagon
I'll just add in my two cents....

In the entire 70+ year history of Le Mans, only one Japanese car has won outright. The Mazda 787B. A four row turbo rotary.

Let us all bow our heads in reverance to the rotary.

Now that we've done that, let's examine the other facts.

Fact: The GTS class is dominated by big American V-8's.
Fact: There are technologically advanced American engines (Cadillac Northstar, Ford Modular, Chevrolet LT-5)
Fact: The top handling "hot hatch" of the eighties, and indeed the highest skidpad number pulled by a sub $500,000 car as tested by Car & Driver in 1984 was an American car (Dodge Omni GLH-S)
Fact: Ferraris, Porsches, Aston Martins, Lamborghinis, Jaguars, Maseratis, TVR's, and BMW's have defined what a sports car/sports coupe truly is for the past 50 years. Nissan's 240Z and Mazda's RX-7 are the only pair of Japanese cars regarded as classics by the international auto community.
Final Fact: The Ford GT40 was designed and built in England, with German components, an American engine, Italian aerodynamics, and Japanese computers. Automobiles are an international phenomeneon and every country from the USA to Japan to Germany to England to Sweden to Italy to Korea to Austrailia to New Zealand (the true McLarens) to The Netherlands (Spykers) to France to Spain (Seats and Pegasos) has a claim to have produced an exceptional automobile.

Don't discredit based on nationality, it limits the chances of finding a truly great automobile.

Originally posted by DeViL
I'm just going to add something as well, regardless though this argument is getting pretty stupid I'm tired of this shit and I'm not going to bother with another import vs domestic, handling vs power, any type of argument like that here again.

I understand that in Europe and Asian countries they do not give a damn about drag racing at all, their main focus is on tracks and rally. So naturally just about every performance oriented vehicle is going to use engines and suspenions made for handling good on the street for daily use or for when you want to go out and push it to its limits. But you can't just knock off American performance vehicles as not being able to handle at all just because we like to drag race more. Think about it, we've been making cars longer than anyone else in the world. So naturally American companies are going to know a thing or to as well about handling.

[kaoru-tochiro]

OWNED!

[fatninja19]

dun dun dunnn... quick! Rebuttle! hahahhahaahaha..

[integra818]

Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned something about American cars beating impots in Lemans and that shows that the American cars can handle. That does'nt mean anything, in JGTC the Skyline beats the vipers and Mclarens but that does'nt prove anything, it could be a matter of driver. My point is... just cuz the American cars beat the imports in LeMans, does'nt make the American cars handle better or just as good or worse, whichever you prefer, it just means the drive of the Corvette is a better driver.

Don't tell me the driver of the Corvette is American and the import driver is an import from another country :finger:

[-The Stig-]

Haha... Ownedd....

Self... I think you know what to do now...


cause...

[integra818]

WTF, someone here siad Corvettes can't handle? I'm an import fan but I love corvettes because... they can handle AND perform in the 1/4 mile. Corvettes kick ass, regardless of which side you're on, you have to admit Corvettes can whip ass.

[Self]

Ha, maybe Redneck is right...Goodnight