ls block and gsr block?

[madtownhonda]

b18c1=b16b=b18c1 block...they are all the same

the b18b is a different story

R/S is not the problem with the b18b, it's the rods and rod bolts....the fact that there are no oil squirters don't help that cause either.

[dejoux]

Originally posted by madtownhonda
b18c1=b16b=b18c1 block...they are all the same

I doubt the B16B is the same as the B18C

The B16A has a shorter deck than a B18C so I assume the B16B does as well.

[Moppie]

Originally posted by dejoux


I doubt the B16B is the same as the B18C

The B16A has a shorter deck than a B18C so I assume the B16B does as well.

No, hes right. The B16b uses the B18c block, with a B16 crank and rods.


What it has to do with this thread I have no idea, but he is right.

[Setanta]

I think it might have to do with some of the frank engines... ok, I don't know either

[mellowboy]

Originally posted by Moppie



No, hes right. The B16b uses the B18c block, with a B16 crank and rods.


What it has to do with this thread I have no idea, but he is right.

I don't get it? If the b16b block is the same as b18c5 wouldn't the bore size be a 1.8 and not a 1.6?

[madtownhonda]

Originally posted by mellowboy


I don't get it? If the b16b block is the same as b18c5 wouldn't the bore size be a 1.8 and not a 1.6?

All b-series motors are the same bore size (81mm) except for the 84mm b20. The b16b is a destroked b18c, thats why it's only a 1.6l.

[kane2g]

put a CTR crank/rods/pistons in b18c and get b16 head and you have CTR? Cool!

[Setanta]

Ummm... not quite

[SmoovSol]

Originally posted by Moppie
Talking about dyno's you've heard about or seen a pic of on the net means crap. Unless you can post the dyno graphs, or provide a link to the site with details then dont bother. Your only wasting our time.

THE ONLY REASON THE LS/VTEC PRODUCES ANY MORE HP THAN A B18c IS BECUASE THE LS PISTONS COMBINED WITH B16a HEAD PRODUCES A MUCH HIGHER COMPRESION RATIO AND UTILIZES THE BETTER HEAD DESIGN OF THE B16a COMPARED WITH A B18c.

Infact a B16a head on a B18c with high C/R pistons is far better way of making the same power.

The extra 10cc of capcity = maybe an extra hp, if that. And it would be lost to heat because of the lack of in block oil squirters.

The only advantage an LS/VTEC has is if you are prepared to do all the work yourself. Then labour is free, and the cost of an LS block with B16a head is much less than a complete B18c.

If however you dont have the know how to do it yourself, then forget about it. Keep it simple and buy a B18c. If you want 200+hp then throw some cheap cams in it.

If you have basic know how then stick a b16a head on your B18c.

But untill I see a qualified enginer with Honda engine knowledge come in here and say the LS/VTEC is suprior to the B18c in everything but price I will never recomend it to anybody, but those with strong engine building skills and a desire to do something differnt.

You are wrong.... well not wrong but ignorant. Looky here, My best friend felix just frankhensteined his engine last week. bought all the parts for 600.00 and its 500.00 for the labor. His 94 civic dx sedan was dinoyed with i/h/e{aem,dc sports jdm header, apexi world sport exh} after the frank vtec conversion it dynoed in @ 179hp @ the wheels and 152lbs of torque. Now this car must be around 202hp @ the wheels and 180lbs. Said Mr. Teak the honda/acura specialist. Quoted from the words out of his mouth. I bought my Ls engine yesterday and cant wait to put that bad boy in. Also his dx sedan takes out a Gsr powered 92 civic dx hb. In all ways if there is someone willing to do the work that knows what there doing. Go for it. The ls/vtec is ALOT cheaper then the b18c1 by about half and the vtec swap should cost you 1000.00 or less depending on you.. Have a nice day...

[Moppie]

Originally posted by SmoovSol


You are wrong.... well not wrong but ignorant. ........................after the frank vtec conversion it dynoed in @ 179hp @ the wheels and 152lbs of torque. Now this car must be around 202hp @ the wheels and 180lbs. Said Mr. Teak the honda/acura specialist. Quoted from the words out of his mouth...................

You try and call me ignorant, then cant even manage to make a sentance that dosnt sound like it come quoted form the mouth of the cat in the hat!
Does the Frankied engine make 179, or 202hp at the wheels?
or do you mean 179whp and 202hp at the crank?
And have you checked the compression ratio? (I bet its knock knock knocking on heavens door...) and the A/F ratios to make sure its not leaning out anywhere? (which if its making that much hp I bet it is) Or did you just forget to mention the piggy back ECU and the time it took to tune it?

And why dont you come back after your friend has covered a few thousand miles and tell us how its going, and please remember to record all the times it goes back to the shop.

oh, and I bet next you'll be telling me that your car out handled a Ferrari because your 4inch drop made it so cool!

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