/24 GT40 MkII - Jackie Ickx #60 Decals???

[Greg Davis]

I'm finally getting back into the hobby after a 10 year hiatus, and finally narrowed down what I want to build from my collection.

I have the Fujimi kit and have ordered the HRM conversion, and am now looking for decals.

After doing a Google search, I found the livery I would like to build, the 1966 Jackie Ickx car #60 from LeMans, but I can't find a source for the decals. Anyone have any idea as to who may produce them for this particular car?

Thanks in advance.

[jaykay640]

That's an obscure one :-)
...but you can almost get what you want:

http://www.slotracing-werk.de/scaler...482627916.html

It's the right decoration it seems but from other races. You might use that and ad correct race numbers.

[griffin-gt40]

check ebay, Fred Caddy makes alot of decals especially for older race cars. I have some for the 68/69 Gulf cars done by him. Good quality. Hope you find what you're looking for.

[Greg Davis]

Originally Posted by jaykay640

That's an obscure one :-)
...but you can almost get what you want:

http://www.slotracing-werk.de/scaler...482627916.html

It's the right decoration it seems but from other races. You might use that and ad correct race numbers.

Thanks! That's a great find - however, I can't figure out how to order? When I translate, all is good, but then I click to order and it goes back to German.

Any advice?

[Karl GBG]

Greg, I noticed your thread title says Mk II, are you aware the #60 car is a Mk I?

[Greg Davis]

I am very uneducated when it comes to these kits, but I recently noticed that there is a difference in the cooling vent on the front hood. What other differences are there between the one and the two? And how difficult is it to make my kit into the proper Mark one?

[Karl GBG]

I would really recommend using one of Fujimi's Mk.I's for this. Modifying a Mk.II is really overkill, especially the reardeck.
I have a feeling Fujimi's Mk.I's are not in production at the moment, except for the Gulf car, which is wider at the rear then the earlier cars...

I took a couple of quick pictures for you, so you can see the some of the differences between Mk.I and Mk.II. (there are actually quite a few, but this would be the biggest)

[Greg Davis]

Originally Posted by Karl GBG

I would really recommend using one of Fujimi's Mk.I's for this. Modifying a Mk.II is really overkill, especially the reardeck.
I have a feeling Fujimi's Mk.I's are not in production at the moment, except for the Gulf car, which is wider at the rear then the earlier cars...

I took a couple of quick pictures for you, so you can see the some of the differences between Mk.I and Mk.II. (there are actually quite a few, but this would be the biggest)

Thanks for those pictures - that really clears up a lot of questions! I was fortunate enough to locate a MK I kit online last night and ordered it from the UK - it was their last one(!).

The sad part is I've spent a lot of time separating the rear deck and cleaning all the parts from my kit, thinking only the front hood panel was different.

Oh well, I guess I'll eventually use it to build a later MK II version.

Thanks again for everyone's help on this, especially to JayKay for helping me out with the decals.

[lovegt40]

also note, as Karl pointed out, the cars are quite different also for mk1 Gulf being wide body over rear and front wheel arches.
The difference was cause the different engine. Mk2 used 427 and T44 trans,while mk1 had 289/302.

Fujimi makes decent bodies, even imho the nicest mk2 I've seen around is the slot car done by Carrera digital,copying also the correct mk2b front part.

I love this car (my nick says all..)

[Greg Davis]

Originally Posted by lovegt40

also note, as Karl pointed out, the cars are quite different also for mk1 Gulf being wide body over rear and front wheel arches.
The difference was cause the different engine. Mk2 used 427 and T44 trans,while mk1 had 289/302.

Fujimi makes decent bodies, even imho the nicest mk2 I've seen around is the slot car done by Carrera digital,copying also the correct mk2b front part.

I love this car (my nick says all..)

But not all MK II's were wide body, as previous pictures show, correct? The Fujimi Gulf was MkII but not wide body. I get so confused by the variations with the same livery!

[ScaleCentral]

Originally Posted by Greg Davis

But not all MK II's were wide body, as previous pictures show, correct? The Fujimi Gulf was MkII but not wide body. I get so confused by the variations with the same livery!

Also, the MkI existed as a very narrow body which was made by Island Collectibles and the later wide body as made by Fujimi and the even wider body made by LeMans Miniatures, Thunder Valley, and a few others.
Nic

[lovegt40]

mk1s were done "slim" and in 1969 wide body for JW (gulf cars, the legendary one with jackie Ickx starting slowly after all..).
Also exis mk.1 as spider,used in targa florio, and Mirage cars (narrow roof.Only one build)

The mk2 exist only in one version (high tail), just they changed slightly the front end for the mk2b.

Of course I mean ONLY originals.The too nice modern replicas feature all versions, including mk2 cabrio.

Mk.3 is the street version (6 build originals all left hd) with 289
MK.4 is totally different in bodyshape, still 427
Mk.5 is used for Safir/first replica series-aka continuations (as SPF cars starting serial no.s with #2...)

[Karl GBG]

Originally Posted by Greg Davis

But not all MK II's were wide body, as previous pictures show, correct? The Fujimi Gulf was MkII but not wide body. I get so confused by the variations with the same livery!

Greg, I do believe your getting confused by light blue cars :-)

The Fujimi Gulf car is a Mk.I, not Mk.II. Your probably mistaking it with the light blue Mk.II (#1) that came second at Le Mans 1966, that Fujimi kitted. Mk.II's never wore Gulf livery. They were basically banned after 1967 (being 7 litre engines), so from 1968 only Mk.I's (5 litre) were raced, and thats when John Wyer took over with Gulf sponsorship.

The Gulf cars were wide both in 1968 (except for the first race a Daytona?) & 1969.

[Karl GBG]

Originally Posted by lovegt40

mk1s were done "slim" and in 1969 wide body for JW (gulf cars, the legendary one with jackie Ickx starting slowly after all..).
Also exis mk.1 as spider,used in targa florio, and Mirage cars (narrow roof.Only one build)

The mk2 exist only in one version (high tail), just they changed slightly the front end for the mk2b.

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Paolo, the Mk.IIb was actually widened at the rear quite a bit too. And of course there was a huge cutout in the rear where the mandatory spare wheel sticks out behind the engine. And the interior was Mk.IV style, I believe?

My good friend Lars-Olof (username "lmracer" on this forum, I think) is a true GT40 nut, here are some photos of his gorgeous Mk.IIb conversion, to illustrate what I'm talking about.

/edit/ Oh, and this one's light blue too, but nothing to do with Gulf! :-)




/Karl

[Greg Davis]

Originally Posted by Karl GBG

Greg, I do believe your getting confused by light blue cars :-)

The Fujimi Gulf car is a Mk.I, not Mk.II. Your probably mistaking it with the light blue Mk.II (#1) that came second at Le Mans 1966, that Fujimi kitted. Mk.II's never wore Gulf livery. They were basically banned after 1967 (being 7 litre engines), so from 1968 only Mk.I's (5 litre) were raced, and thats when John Wyer took over with Gulf sponsorship.

The Gulf cars were wide both in 1968 (except for the first race a Daytona?) & 1969.

My head hurts - I'm going to have a stiff drink!