Ford Mustang GT VS Chevrolet Camaro Z28

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Originally posted by stangvette1
I personally do not own a cobra. But ask anyone who does and they will tell you that the horsepower was underrated by Ford!

Yeah, let them pull out the butt dyno...
There's a lot of cars that feel like a lot more power than they really have.

[FYRHWK1]

Originally posted by SVTerminator
Ford is at least making an attempt to move forward with technology instead of just using the same stuff from the 60's.

The '03 Mach 1 has an NA 4.6 liter engine and does the quarter in 13.1.
That is faster than a regular Z28 and about even with an SS. Why should a car(Mach 1) with over 1 liter less displacement and is heavier hang with these lighter cars with larger displacement engines(Z28,SS)?

uh, first of all, thats not faster then a Z28, and second a 13.1 is the very best time it could accomplish, it's closed the gap between the 2 cars but it's still roughly a half seconds difference. I've seen a high 12 from a bone stock Fbody in person, when I see a 13.1 in person maybe then I'll believe it, but until then its just another MM&FF "stock" car with a retune, BFG rubber and a host of other mods, and just for the record I didnt believe them when the Fbody ran a high 12 there either.

[Tekone]

Originally posted by stangvette1
I'm a mustang guy but I will admit that the mustang gt will get beat by the Z28. It isn't a fair comparison in performance though. The fairest comparison would be the 305 hp Mach 1 versus the 310 hp Camaro Z28.

Ok. Guess what? The Mustang still gets its ass kicked. Why? Z28's, SS's, Formula's, Ws6's all dyno about 300-310 to the rear wheels. In the real world, LS1 f-bodies make about 350 flywheel hp. So 260 vs 350? Not even close. Don't believe me? Look at the trap speeds. Mustang Gt's trap around 98-100 in the 1/4th. LS1 f-bodies trap around 304-306. LS1 f-bodies on average trap around SIX mph higher than GT's. Thats a HUGE difference. Trap numbers tell where the real horsepower is.

[Tekone]

Originally posted by SVTerminator
Ford is at least making an attempt to move forward with technology instead of just using the same stuff from the 60's.

The '03 Mach 1 has an NA 4.6 liter engine and does the quarter in 13.1.
That is faster than a regular Z28 and about even with an SS. Why should a car(Mach 1) with over 1 liter less displacement and is heavier hang with these lighter cars with larger displacement engines(Z28,SS)?

The Mach 1 is about even with a well driven Z28 in the 1/4th. Z28's and SS's trap at almost the exact same milage driven the same. Reason is they have very close to the same hp. Seems like pushrod power is doing just fine in the new century. Somehow, few engines in anything less than a $50k+ car came come close to the power a LS1 is putting down stock let along with a few mods. (the blown 4.6 being the exception).

[stangvette1]

Tekone, you talk about the camaro ss or the transam having 310-320 at the wheels. Let's compare that to a car that is about $1000 more. The mustang cobra is dynoing anywhere from 370-385 hp at the wheels. With the 15% drivetrain loss, that is over 440 horsepower at the flywheel! The cobra will beat ls1 ass by a mile!

P.S. The mach 1 is just as fast as a f-body ls1.

[FYRHWK1]

1000 more? you could pay 30s for a transam, if you're a moron, but they start at high 20s, and they're not for people looking for a bang for the buck car. As to "moving away from 60's technology" - if you actually knew anything about the different valvetrains you'd realize they're both late 1800s creations, DOHC is not more high tech and it is not better overall. Funny how the stang fans have turned, before the OHC stuff was overblown bullshit they didnt need, now they're trying to hold one of THE shittiest head designs over the heads of Fbody fans, who's LS1 design is one of the best ever, OHC or OHV, stock LS6 heads can nearly flow with winston cup racing models, that not enough tech for you?

[idunno]

lol, everywhere you look non-03 owners are using the 03 cobra to defend themselves... "hey i have a v6 stang and it's got about as much horsepower as my mom's minivan but... the 03 cobra will kick your ASS!"

[idunno]

Why should a car(Mach 1) with over 1 liter less displacement and is heavier hang with these lighter cars with larger displacement engines(Z28,SS)?

DOHC

[stangvette1]

Idunno, I am only 16 years old. I can't afford a cobra. I bought a v6 because it looked nice and my parents could insure it. When I am about 25, I will buy a cobra! I just love mustangs and I am glad to own one. Sure it has a weak v6, but it still looks better than firebirds or camaros. I'm not trying to start anything here, but what is your point? When camaro or firebird people are in trouble, It's big bad camaro ss or transam to the rescue! It's obvious that since the mach 1 is barely slower than the ss or transam that a supercharged version of that 4.6 liter,4 valve engine (mustang cobra) will kill a camaro ss or transam.

[Tekone]

Originally posted by stangvette1
Idunno, I am only 16 years old. I can't afford a cobra. I bought a v6 because it looked nice and my parents could insure it. When I am about 25, I will buy a cobra! I just love mustangs and I am glad to own one. Sure it has a weak v6, but it still looks better than firebirds or camaros. I'm not trying to start anything here, but what is your point? When camaro or firebird people are in trouble, It's big bad camaro ss or transam to the rescue! It's obvious that since the mach 1 is barely slower than the ss or transam that a supercharged version of that 4.6 liter,4 valve engine (mustang cobra) will kill a camaro ss or transam.

Your age shows in your posts. Whether you think your Mustang looks better than f-bodies in immaterial. Everyone on either side of the fence will say their car looks better than the other. Thats why they bought it. You have contunally posted incorect or just plain BS'd posts in this thread and in others I have read that you posted in. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT before you post. Other people might believe you and spread the BS even farther. My point is this: Read up on your cars first and then post. Someone else in another thread has a similar problem and 10 of my posts have still not quited them down. Yes a supercharged 03' Cobra will beat an LS1 f-body. Who whoulda thought that? Look at the trap speeds. An LS1 traps around 5 mph or so slower than an 03' Cobra. So obviously, the Cobra has some hp to it if it is trapping that much higher. Quit generalizing and saying that a 4-valve Mustang engine will beat an LS1. What has happened since 96' up until this year when the 03' Cobra came out? 4-valve Cobras have been getting beat year after year.

Loser? Please. You being immature. Grow up first and then come back and post.

[1BAD305]

im 17 and own an 89 iroc, someday ill buy an Ls1 yadda yadda yada. still has nuthin to do with this comparo. techone and idunno thanks for helpin to enlighten a few people but i think now its useless, ya can lead a horse to water but u cant make em drink.

[stangvette1]

Tekone, I do have my facts straight. Yes, I have read up on my facts about the mustang cobra ( it's only my favorite car in the world). I am involved in svtperformance.com, stangnet.com, mustanglife.com, and stangit.com forums. I chat with people that own cobras. Some of them are getting around 380rwhp and 380rwtq when they dyno their cars. Newsflash, Ford underrated the cobra. Maybe you need to open your eyes and quit dreaming that GM rules the world!

[yojcbeast]

here's something interesting to say. All this talk is about 2003 cobras and mach 1s, when chevy didn't even make a 2003 FBODY, you're making comparisons against cars that are no longer produced and of course are older. No wonder they're faster. Hahaha, this's the only time that the pony boys compare to the f-bodys, and they make these comparisons when they are no longer produced. Why don't we stick with year for year comparisons. In 2002, chevy couldn't be beat. Wait till they release the next round of camaros.. mua ha ha

and btw, any n/a car that keeps up with a blown one, kicks ass
ls6 vs. blown 4.6=close race
blown ls6 vs. blown 4.6= not a race
man, a blown ls6 could easily run low 11s, 10s. wow
and for the extra 10k you're paying for with a corvette, you're getting luxury, true v-8 power.
Oh, I just remembered something, my friend's dad has a supercharged 2003 z06
puts down 625 horses

[idunno]

It's big bad camaro ss or transam to the rescue! It's obvious that since the mach 1 is barely slower than the ss or transam that a supercharged version of that 4.6 liter,4 valve engine (mustang cobra) will kill a camaro ss or transam.

it's almost always ls1 OWNERS getting in fights with gt owners, and the first thing out of there mouth is, yah... well the 03 cobra will beat you. wow, do they have a 03 cobra? no, so what is their point? i wasn't posting attacking you, just saying something i've noticed.

[Tekone]

Originally posted by stangvette1
Tekone, I do have my facts straight. Yes, I have read up on my facts about the mustang cobra ( it's only my favorite car in the world). I am involved in svtperformance.com, stangnet.com, mustanglife.com, and stangit.com forums. I chat with people that own cobras. Some of them are getting around 380rwhp and 380rwtq when they dyno their cars. Newsflash, Ford underrated the cobra. Maybe you need to open your eyes and quit dreaming that GM rules the world!

Where did I ever say the 03' Cobras were overrated? I have already mentioned that they are underrated by around 25 or so hp. I was refering to the previous 94 to 2001 Cobras. Seems like the pre fix 99's weren't exactly underrated. They couldn't even match dyno sheets with previous 98 Cobras. I don't think GM rules the world in any way. You need to read more closely what I post.