Y do people hate hondas so much....

[publicenemy137]

^ Maybe an Integra Type R can take a SR20DET-powered silvia but the sr20det is a lot cheaper than the b18c type r engine, and almost the same speed. I'd say balls out performance engine is the VQ35DE engine (287 out of a 3.5 liter V6 with a lot of possibilities is pretty damn good), RB26DETT, LS1's, 2jz's, 4g63's (not too reliable though), and F20c's. I'm not saying the H22C is a bad engine, quite the opposite it's good, but it's not balls out performance designed. It's a 4-banger gas efficient engine also, which isn't a bad thing. My KA24DE engine is also a 4-banger gas efficient engine with a lot of possibilities, but I won't say it's an all-out performance engine.

[lazysmurff]

most of those you mentioned are either huge displacement or boosted.

the h22a is fuel efficient due to its small (well, relativly) displacment, and efficient fuel system, not its performance

anything that can run a NA 10 second quarter is a pretty balls out engine.

[Prelewd]

Originally Posted by publicenemy137

I'd say balls out performance engine is the VQ35DE engine (287 out of a 3.5 liter V6 with a lot of possibilities is pretty damn good), RB26DETT, LS1's, 2jz's, 4g63's (not too reliable though), and F20c's.

The C30A put 270 out of a 3.0 liter V6 engine..
The C32A put 290 out of a 3.2 liter V6 engine..

I'm glad nissan is catching up though, and making it affordable, for I love their cars.

The RB26DETT is a wonderful engine, as well as the 2JZ.

The 4g63 is the engine I was talking about in the eclipse GSX/GS-T. You know.. the one that needs to be boosted to get up to the H22A and B18C5/6/7.

I know honda engines aren't the greatest ever, but please don't say they aren't very great compared to other cars in the same class. It makes us riceboys feel bad.

[publicenemy137]

^ the C30A and C32A's are also ripoffs, the NSX car is a hugely overinflated price for speed. 90k for a car that puts out 290 hp?? 350z costs far less than half it's price and puts out 3 less horsepower, not to mention has more torque. But yes I know NSX owners don't get it for speed only, it's the whole quality of the car, great suspension, interior, and engineering, but I still think it's a ripoff for $90k.

I left out a lot of engines designed entirely for performance, I just gave some examples. The C32 is definetly a great engine. I guess honda engines rn't bad but it's more of the car, real performance cars aren't FWD 4-bangers but some riceboys try to make it one. But whatever people do what they want with their money so I don't care, I just think it's a bad move and waist of money.

[Joseph1082]

I'd just like to say I am sick of all the arrogant Honda owners with their over-inflated egos. I have an '02 LS! Camaro and am sick of $1K Hondas telling me they can smoke me, blah blah blah. Even a Type R in a hatch or the H22 shouldn't be able to touch me, Y can't they just be realistic about their cars... I don't go around tellin Z06, Viper, Porsche owners I can rip them... It's very immature.

[publicenemy137]

^ exactly, be modest about your car. Don't say it's the next best thing since sliced bread. Don't say just b/c it's a honda it's the best car ever. And definetly don't try to step up to better cars and say you are faster when you have a crappy Civic.

[Joseph1082]

When it comes to life I consider myself a realist rather than an optimist... the glass is neither half empty of half full... it is 50% fluid 50% air. Y in your right mind would you tell a car with double or over double your HP and triple your torque you ca smoke them? It's simple Math here.

[Soyo]

Originally Posted by zebrathree

They've built a plane now, the HondaJet.

Its small, slow and ugly.

Seems they've built the aviation version of the Civic.

HAHA hilarious!

I would never drive any Honda except for a motorcycle or an S2000, oh and an NSX... none of the others are FWD or AWD so they suck in my opinion...

I think everyone hates hondas for the same reasons as I do:
1. WAY TOO COMMON!!
2. People put on a muffler and think their car is fast
3. Neons seem to be popular among honda drivers
4. They are all FWD(except the 2 previously noted)
5. Too many posers have hondas

that pretty much sums it up

[Steel]

Werd. I think for 90k, the NSX should come with a hi-po honda V8. Would that be the first production v8 honda makes?

[Soyo]

if I were to ever stoop to the level of getting rid of my rotary and buying a V8, I deffinately would not buy one from Honda... I mean think about it... Honda=4cyl

[publicenemy137]

Hmm i wonder why Japanese cars don't make V8s, if they can get incredible out of 2.0 inline 4s (S2k - 240 hp) and 3.2-3.5 V6s (350z - 287 hp, NSX - 290) imagine what they could do with a big block V8 engine like a 5.5. They could finally make japanese muscle n/a engine power without use of a turbo. I wonder why they do'nt just create one vehicle that does that. What is the highest hp a japanese car makes anyways?? The only one I can think on top of my head right now is the 350z, 287 hp. Or the NSX, 290 hp.

[Joseph1082]

The technology to build a big block v8 is totally different than that used in smaller engines... that is Y we v8 owners laugh when honda owners say "120hp/Liter, ha, so if we made a 5.7L just imagine how powerful...blah blah blah" This is untrue, the enginering of the S2K motor cannot be duplicated on a larger scale, and BTW it only makes all that "Power" because it's damn redlind is at 9K. So the feat of small Jap engines cannot be duplicated in bigger blocks. And they have a few v8s, in Toyota and Lexus trucks for example. Obviously they've seen no reason to apply that motor to their Supra. To me, the Japanese believe in making power through speed rather than through strength (Revs vs. Torgue, TTs vs. V8s).

[Prelewd]

The reason they probably don't make V8s is because they can get the same power out of an I6 or V6 or even a 4cyl. The new evo and STIs are making 300bhp from a 2 liter inline four. They have what is called a turbocharger now. That little snail shaped thing that replaces displacement...

V8s weigh too much, probably wouldn't be as reliable, and aren't as fuel efficient. You can make almost 1000hp on the stock bottom end of a 2JZ.. Why would you want a V8 in a small japanese car? Maybe if you had a lug around a big truck, and need the torque.

Originally Posted by Joseph1082

When it comes to life I consider myself a realist rather than an optimist... the glass is neither half empty of half full... it is 50% fluid 50% air. Y in your right mind would you tell a car with double or over double your HP and triple your torque you ca smoke them? It's simple Math here.

It's called power to weight ratio. By your logic, a 100hp motorcycle shouldn't be able to beat a 200hp car, but it will. It's simple math here.

Not to mention the money invested in either car. Sure, if you spend 50k on a 'real' sports car you will have a nicer car stock. Take the same amount of money and put it into your 3-5k used honda and you have something great (while paying less insurance). Same can be said for any old used car.

Most of the time, when people hate a certain car, they do so from the experiences they have had with the drivers of the said car. For example, there has only been one 240 owner I have ever met that hasn't been a cocky asshole. It's really disappointing. However, I wouldn't mind owning a 240. They have much potential, and a strong aftermarket.

I bet the majority of people that trash hondas have never driven a decently modded one.

[integra818]

Originally Posted by publicenemy137

I'm not saying the H22C is a bad engine, quite the opposite it's good, but it's not balls out performance designed. It's a 4-banger gas efficient engine also, which isn't a bad thing. .

If they designed it to be more "gas efficient", they would've made it an open deck engine. Your ka24 does'nt have shit agiasnt an H22. The only advantage it'll have is that it's in a RWD chassis which makes for a better launch. But then agian, an H22 in a civi will probably launch on your 240.

[Prelewd]

Originally Posted by integra818

If they designed it to be more "gas efficient", they would've made it an open deck engine. Your ka24 does'nt have shit agiasnt an H22. The only advantage it'll have is that it's in a RWD chassis which makes for a better launch. But then agian, an H22 in a civi will probably launch on your 240.

That's why he mentioned that his was a gas efficient engine too later on, and not a performance engine.