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Old 10-30-2003, 01:19 AM   #31
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Re: Re: Why does the SRT-4 cost so cheap?

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Over half? You must be reading a different forum. *shrugs* I see Hondas, Toyotas, Subies with major problems all the time. The difference? Import buyers think those problems are their fault because they believe the hype. Domestic buyers often blame THE CAR because... they too believe the hype.
Or maybe you're just not reading enough.

Page 1, 46% of threads are about a problem, page 2, 50% exactly, page 3 46% again (yes I counted). Keep in mind I'm only going by the thread title, so I may be counting some I shouldn't, but I also may not be counting some I should, so I think it's pretty fair. Now lets see, you mentioned Hondas, Toyotas, and Subarus. Quick count on page 1 on the 92+ Civic forum gets only 16%, Impreza forum gets 0%, and Celica forum gets 6%. I don't think I have to say anything else about that...


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Interesting. Since I don't troll other car sections, I'll have to take your word for it.
Impreza forum sponsor links (these change each time you load the page, this is what I get right now, on the 1st load)

1. Perrin Performance, Subaru WRX performance parts, engine, suspension, and more
2. JSC Speed, Performance part store specializing in the Subaru WRX and WRX STi
3. Subaru WRX Parts, Cars, Trucks, parts and accesories, buy or sell on EBay market
4. Impreza and WRX discounts, Save hundreds, even thousands, on your new Subaru Impreza and WRX

Neon forum, again, 1st load

1. Calif Lemon Law Refund, Get rid of your lemon and get your money, Free consult
2. Northern Calif Law Firm, Lemon law specialists for 20 years, free case review, get money back
3. Research Ford cars/trucks, Official Ford site, request quotes, customize options, find a dealer
4. Legal Advice on Lemon Law, Legal advice for any situation, access attourneys in your area

I find the Ford link particularly amusing

P.S. just because someone says something you don't want to hear, doesn't mean they're a troll
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Old 10-30-2003, 08:11 AM   #32
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I have to get in on this one. I have a 2000 Neon and it rocks!!!!! 76,000 miles on it and it hasn't had one single problem ever. And I rod the shit out of it. Tough car. PERIOD! The reason most people have so many problems with their cars is they forget to change their oil or even check under the hood. Maintenance is a must have. Secondly the reason all the hype is over imports is because they make so many easy to get mods for them. Look in any catalog and you'll see everything for the import crap! Few manufacturers make anything for a Neon. It's hard to modify a domestic. But thank God that the Neon is one of the exceptions because they are the only most popular domestic models that companies make performance parts for. It is truly the exceptional that can make a high performance Neon. Any nerd with cash can build up a Civic. Give me a bone stock Neon and a bone stock Rice Grinder and lets see the Dyno. Nuff said!!!
You got that straight! I have a friend that bought a PT Cruiser, its almost 4 years old with 50,000 miles and the car has had no problems whatsoever, and I remember reading in forums people saying it would not last. I'm so sick of people's preconception about a car just because its made in the US.
Its time to face the truth, the quality gap between import and Domestic is closing at a staggering pace.
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Old 10-31-2003, 01:04 AM   #33
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You got that straight! I have a friend that bought a PT Cruiser, its almost 4 years old with 50,000 miles and the car has had no problems whatsoever, and I remember reading in forums people saying it would not last. I'm so sick of people's preconception about a car just because its made in the US.
Its time to face the truth, the quality gap between import and Domestic is closing at a staggering pace.
Wow, there's some hard driving. A whopping 12,500 miles a year. Why, that's almost AVERAGE! I'm amazed the poor thing starts!

Seriously, Chrystler has quality issues. It's been proven in the garage. It's been proven on these forums (those percentages by ldelaysionl are pretty hard to argue with, unless you're really ignorant). It's proven by the fact that they offer such a huge warranty. Ever notice who offers the wonderful warrantees? The car companies with quality issues! Wow! Look at Hyundai...why do you think they warrantee their cars so long? History, maybe?

If you want to drive a Chrystler, go ahead. But don't claim they're reliable any quicker than I'll claim my Hyundai Accent can outrun your SRT-4. Everyone knows better.
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Old 11-01-2003, 12:10 AM   #34
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Re: Why does the SRT-4 cost so cheap?

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The reason most people have so many problems with their cars is they forget to change their oil or even check under the hood. Maintenance is a must have.
I agree with that! More often than not I read, 1st person: "I've had my car for like three years and all of the sudden it's running like $#!t. What's wrong with this POS?"

A: "Umm, when was the last time you did basic maintenance to it? Change the plugs, wires, check the tires, change the oil?"

1st person: "I don't know. How often are you supposed to do it?"

A: "sigh... go read your manual, please."
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Old 11-01-2003, 12:17 AM   #35
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Re: Re: Re: Why does the SRT-4 cost so cheap?

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Or maybe you're just not reading enough.

Page 1, 46% of threads are about a problem, page 2, 50% exactly, page 3 46% again (yes I counted). Keep in mind I'm only going by the thread title, so I may be counting some I shouldn't, but I also may not be counting some I should, so I think it's pretty fair. Now lets see, you mentioned Hondas, Toyotas, and Subarus. Quick count on page 1 on the 92+ Civic forum gets only 16%, Impreza forum gets 0%, and Celica forum gets 6%. I don't think I have to say anything else about that...
Wow, you have a bunch of time on your hands. heh. I'll say that this forum has more problem Neons than I usually see.

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Impreza forum sponsor links (these change each time you load the page, this is what I get right now, on the 1st load)

1. Perrin Performance, Subaru WRX performance parts, engine, suspension, and more...

Neon forum, again, 1st load

1. Calif Lemon Law Refund, Get rid of your lemon and get your money, Free consult
My guess is because Neon shops aren't sponsoring this place. There just aren't many of them around. Since they are sponsoring, where do you think they'll stick all the general sponsors?

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hehe I don't give a crap what you, or anyone else, thinks about Chrysler quality, honestly. All the Neons in my family have been quite reliable with basic maintenance for years. If you're not a troll, why are you in a Neon forum? Looking to buy?
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Old 11-01-2003, 01:16 AM   #36
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He's definetly looking to buy! And who could blame him. A Neon is a very nifty car. What with the slick neon body the way it curves and seems to beckon one to drive, supple and seductive like an angel and the way that engine purrs. Slam! that baby into low and go like hell!!! An evil volotile, hemoraging barely containable explosion of force and exhaust!!! Suprise!!! Ultimate sleeper biatch! Hey!! WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE LIFE BY THE HORNS!? Go with Dodge. Nuff Said!
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Old 11-01-2003, 11:33 AM   #37
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Looking to buy? No...

Do I think they're cool cars? Yeah, the ACRs, RTs, and SRT4s anyways...

Do I think they have quality issues? I know I see Neons driving around all the time with half the body covered in rust. It's not like I live in Minnesota or anything either. They're the only car made in the 90's or later I regularly see with that much rust.
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Old 11-01-2003, 12:10 PM   #38
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oh yeah that is what i remember!!? Hmmm! Yeah that is it Neons have such a rust issue. Over half of the Neon will rust so buyer beware.
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Old 11-01-2003, 04:42 PM   #39
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It's like talking to a brick wall.

Reason number 643 why I'll never buy a Neon, the owners.

BTW, the 2 threads below this one are both people having problems with overheating, 2 different people, on the same day.
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Old 11-02-2003, 12:38 AM   #40
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Hey notice this about the Subaru Impreza site. Most of the cars, well almost all of them are 2000 and up models. Hmmm! Now notice this site all the Neons with problems are 2000 and below almost none of the 2000 Neons and up have any problems. I think you should research your facts a little deeper. Any old car is bound to have problems and issues. When did the Impreza first come out anyways?
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Old 11-02-2003, 12:57 AM   #41
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Re: Why does the SRT-4 cost so cheap?

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Hey notice this about the Subaru Impreza site. Most of the cars, well almost all of them are 2000 and up models. Hmmm! Now notice this site all the Neons with problems are 2000 and below almost none of the 2000 Neons and up have any problems. I think you should research your facts a little deeper. Any old car is bound to have problems and issues. When did the Impreza first come out anyways?
The Impreza line started in 93, I believe that's 2 years BEFORE the neon line started, right?

And you're telling me to research MY facts?
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Old 11-02-2003, 03:35 AM   #42
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In defense of neons (heheh) their owners do have a tendancy to keep their cars longer than impreza owners....and the ones that keep their cars longer are probably doing it because they can't afford something newer, and are therefore going to be the do-it-yourselfers. I dunno...maybe there was a point to be had there. I just know that it's pretty well known that Chryslers are crap. But I wouldn't say no if someone handed me the keys to an SRT-4.

And kudos to Dodge for making it reliable. Now just slap that 70k mile warantee on it and I might trade my Accent in.
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Old 11-02-2003, 07:37 PM   #43
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But I wouldn't say no if someone handed me the keys to an SRT-4.
Neither would I, they're cool cars. I've already said that, but some people in here are so defensive they apparantly didn't read that, and instead just decided to make some stuff up to try and counterpoint with.

I would also like to point out that the only 2 threads added since the overheating ones I mentioned are a water leak and a fan problem
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Old 11-04-2003, 02:53 AM   #44
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If someone handed me the keys to the SRT 4 right now. I'd sure as hell take it. Then turn around and sell it. I'd use the money to bring up my current 2000 Neon. Why? It is too easy to just go out and buy a fast car and smoke people at the light knowing all that you did was buy one. I'd rather customize, customize, customize so that my heart, sweat and blood is inside and out of the car. In that way it will feel more like a part of myself. Anyone who has put time in with the wrench will know exactly what I'm talking about. I make more than enough right now that I can just trade in my 2K for the SRT 4 but I want to see what kind of tricky shit I can do to it first. In one year I'll smoke the SRT 4 cuz it only has 215 horse (right?). 0-60 in I believe 5.8 that is fast but I can make mine much faster. I have huge plans!$$$$$ In reply to all you foreign car owners. GO FOR YOUR OWN! I've got respect enough to say they CAN be fast and reliable. So can the Dodge I'm living proof I've not one single problem with mine and I take good care of it. Just cuz they make the rice mobiles dummy proof doesn't prove shit! Honestly! It is all about the competition on the street and don't say that you can't be left in the dust by a Neon that is just plain ignorance. I know a guy here in my hometown that puts 500 horses to the ground in a 99 Neon. That would be like saying that nothing can beat the SRT 4. Sure there is. My dad's car is over 30 years old and can smoke almost anything on the street including the SRT. Nuff Said! Defensive you say. Hell yeah yer on my turf ricer! This site is for Neon enthusiasts and American pride!! That is right American and that is the biggest reason why I bought a Neon cuz it is Dodge. What am I to do when someone knocks my favorite car? Just bend over and smile? Right! I'll just go to your site and start throwin smack! Then well see who is defensive. And by the way that white thing you got there, you know that picture of that THING. It might be fast and I stress might be. But all in all it is ugly as hell and has the curves of a beetle!
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It is too easy to just go out and buy a fast car and smoke people at the light knowing all that you did was buy one. I'd rather customize, customize, customize so that my heart, sweat and blood is inside and out of the car.
What is it with ricers and acting likt it's impossible to modify a faster car? Why don't you tell me what lkeps you from modifying an SRT4 too?

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In one year I'll smoke the SRT 4
Lol, the classic ricer line. "Oh yeah, well in a year I'll smoke you". Guess what, nobody cares. If you can't do it right now, then you got nothing.

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So can the Dodge I'm living proof I've not one single problem with mine and I take good care of it.
I'm sure there were a few Pinto's that DIDN'T explode when they got in wrecks, does that means Pinto's don't have a problem?

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don't say that you can't be left in the dust by a Neon
I didn't say that...

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I know a guy here in my hometown that puts 500 horses to the ground in a 99 Neon.
That's BS. Let's see proof.

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This site is for Neon enthusiasts
I've already said like 4 times that I am a Neon enthusiast.

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that is the biggest reason why I bought a Neon cuz it is Dodge.
Buying a car for the brand name is just plain stupid.

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What am I to do when someone knocks my favorite car?
If it's the truth, there isn't much you can do.

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And by the way that white thing you got there, you know that picture of that THING. It might be fast and I stress might be. But all in all it is ugly as hell and has the curves of a beetle!
You mean the same thing that, when it came out, everybody said it looked like a Neon? So you just insulted your own carthere. Good job.

Se, I'm not like you. I'm not a defensive little ricer who gets pissed off just because someone doesn't like my car. I like it, and that's all that matters to me.

I know last time I was driving my car, a girl pulled up next to me, said "I love your car, can I have your phone number?" and the guy riding with her says "She wants to fvck you". A week ago I pulled up to a gas station and the girl working the cash register says "That car is nice" and a guy walks out of the back room, looks at it, and says "That's more than nice, that's awesome!". A couple weeks ago a van full of highschool age looking girls pulls up next to me on the passenger side, the driver yells "Nice car!" then about 4 of the girls in the back flash me.

So obviously I'm not the only one who likes it. How often does that stuff happen to you in your Neon?
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