New Zealand Primera Club

[primera man]

Originally posted by P10DET
Hey mates.....

When you get things settled, you need to make a club T-shirt. I'll buy one. Hell, I might have to become your first overseas member.

I'm sure your imput would be most welcome

[wta]

hi new zealanders. i live in auckland and im looking at buying a nissan primera. i want a 2 litre. do u guys know the difference between the standard 2 litre primera and the primera te. are they any faster? also what kind of fuel economy do u get from around town driving? how much does it cost to fill up the tank and how many kms do u get.
cheers

[T4 Primera]

Originally posted by wta
hi new zealanders. i live in auckland and im looking at buying a nissan primera. i want a 2 litre. do u guys know the difference between the standard 2 litre primera and the primera te. are they any faster? also what kind of fuel economy do u get from around town driving? how much does it cost to fill up the tank and how many kms do u get.
cheers

Welcome wta.
Are they any faster? I suggest you drive the different types and see for youself. Just be sure to compare autos with autos and manuals with manuals. The Te, comes with recaro interior, spoiler package, sport suspension and 110kW. (The Ts and Tm also list at 110kW but I'm not sure that the translated handbook that says this is entirely accurate). Drive a T4 as well if you get the chance.

Fuel economy? I'll quote some fuel consumption ratios out of a handbook - but don't ask me what "10 mode" or "60km/h consumtion rate is all about"
For the Te, Ts and Tm you'll get:
10 Mode fuel consumption (km/l) = 11.4 (9.4)
60km/h comsumption rate (km/l) = 19.8 (17.0)

Fuel economy is good as long as you don't fang it all the time. This is easier said than done in a Te or T4 as it's the kind of car that inspires "spirited" driving (well the 5 speed does anyway).

Handling and braking is where these cars really shine.

[jasestu]

In the short time that I've owned my Te the best fuel economy that I've had (on a long trip) was 15.5 km/l (44 mpg). I was trying my best to drive economically for that trip, but of course couldn't resist giving it a little extra gas when overtaking some...
Typical consumption that I've have driving around town is probably around 9.5 km/l (27 mpg), but temper this with the fact that I've not long had the car and still like to boot it a fair bit.

Hey T4 Primera, do you know what they've done to the Te to give it 110kw (I assume this is an improvement over the base model)?

[T4 Primera]

Originally posted by jasestu

Hey T4 Primera, do you know what they've done to the Te to give it 110kw (I assume this is an improvement over the base model)?

Specific info on JDM Primeras is hard to come by unless you want to fork out $700NZ for the manual the dealerships use. However ......

Haynes manual for UK Primera mentions 2 versions of the SR20 - the DE and the De.

The DE is fitted to higher specification models and has a tubular exhaust manifold in place of the cast type. The cast manifold is a 4-1-downpipe while the tubular manifold is 4-2-2 downpipes-1 setup.

The DE has almost 0.5mm bigger lobe heights on the inlet cam. The exhaust cam is the same for both engines.

FWIW, the DE (according to Haynes) is supposed to have 0.5 bar more oil pressure at 3000 rpm.

Both DE and De are listed with 9.8:1 compression ratio for pre '96 and 10:1 for post '96.

I have no info on whether the ECU mapping is different between the two engines.

[jasestu]

Originally posted by T4 Primera

The DE is fitted to higher specification models and has a tubular exhaust manifold in place of the cast type. The cast manifold is a 4-1-downpipe while the tubular manifold is 4-2-2 downpipes-1 setup.

Ahhh, bingo. I thought the manifold looked fairly free-flowing...
Cheers for the info.

[Primal SMX]

Man T4 ya know ya sh#t!
I have the 97 white SMX and was told that it was the 110kw version but now you have got me worried because the i dont think the exhaust manifold is as you described. Im not sure though. If it is the 110kw version does it have more scope for mods or less?

Current engine mods are:

Coby 4-2-1 Extractors
2.25 Exhaust, no Cat
K&N Pod fiter with stillen bell mouth intake
Custom cold feed air intake
Pod filter sectioned off
Extractors heatwraped

Soon to advance the timing (to what degrees? any suggestions)

P.S. Whats happening with the club? I'd be interested but i don't know of how much i could do as i can get real busy.

[AWD Primera]

I havent been posting for a while, and when I come back I find all these Kiwi's! Great to see. Im in Auckland. A club would be good, except that Im going to the states for 3 months from beginning of December. Im keen to sell my car before I go and get a P11 when I return - although money is a bit of an issue.
I think we should start by making a Web Site with heaps of Primera info on it. That will help to get people interested.

Originally posted by Primal SMX
Man T4 ya know ya sh#t!
I have the 97 white SMX and was told that it was the 110kw version but now you have got me worried because the i dont think the exhaust manifold is as you described. Im not sure though. If it is the 110kw version does it have more scope for mods or less?

I thought that the SMX Primeras produced 120Kw - I read that somewhere.

[T4 Primera]

Originally posted by Primal SMX
Man T4 ya know ya sh#t!
P.S. Whats happening with the club? I'd be interested but i don't know of how much i could do as i can get real busy.

Hey, I'm guessing mostly, based on the few scraps of info I can get from looking at the car and reading the Haynes manual which is written for UK Primeras. I also have a P10 English translation owners manual from www.jpnz.co.nz but the translation accuracy/completenes is suspect. Because most of the Primeras here are JDM imports, the language barrier is a real obstacle. What I have posted is based mostly on suspicion.:alien:

The Primera club seems to be having trouble getting started - probably because we're spread throughout the country so a gathering will be difficult. However, I think some sort of get together might get the ball rolling and the largest number of us (on the forum that is) in one place is Auckland ..... I'm not far so I'd turn up. I think starting small and informal like may get things going. Anyways, the Auckland contingent has students who are in exams right now, so things may pick up again later.

Subz earlier offered to set up a club but he seems to have disappeared off A.F. since then. Subz even made a start on a website http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/subz/ and then vanished. I guess subz is busy building the club racer.

Grunter also made a start on a site http://www.xtreamcarclub.cjb.net/ ...

[Primal SMX]

I thought that the SMX Primeras produced 120Kw - I read that somewhere. [/b][/quote]



I wish!!!!

That may have come from Steve Millen himself as i have an article from Auto Mag or something where he says that after the Pod filter and the free flow Cat it SHOULD be making about 118 at the engine.

I dynoed mine in winter a few months after i got it and got a peak of 85kw at the front wheels!! Dont sound like 120 aye! Although the car never performed well (at this stage FXGT's were beating me off the lights with old grandad's driving them) i have since got it to perform a lot better. I think, after reading other messages on here, that this statement was made by Stillen and as has been said they are known for exagerating their power claims.

But thanks i wilkl TELL everyone that it makes 120 standard! Yehooo:sun:

[Grunter]

TE also gets ABS that the TM does not

[Primal SMX]

Thanks T4 those sites are great.

I think AWD Primera has the right idea that maybe it should start off with the web site with heaps (well as much as we can put there) of info about the Primera and maybe generally SR20DE engines. Have a joining form on the site and when the membership gets bigger then we will have more clout in the car modifying scene!!

What ya think

Just got here and i'm already throwing my wieght around!!!HaHaHa

[AWD Primera]

120 Kw is the Engine Power - not wheel Horse Power like you got when you dynoed your car. 85Kw sounds pretty good at the wheels. Ive a friend whose Te P10 put out 75kw at the front wheels (stock standard SR20DE - 110kw version).
The SMX Primeras definitly had a few engine 'tickles' done to them including ECU upgrade, extractors and possibly timing. My information is a little sketchy but this is what I have been told when I went to look at one, 'pretending' to buy it - I was just being nosey! - no way I could afford one. You should contact Nissan to see what the differences between a standard p11 and the SMX are.
P.S - FXGT's also make 120Kw but are a f**k load lighter than a P11. - however the P11 has a little more torque to help it along.

[T4 Primera]

Originally posted by AWD Primera
I think we should start by making a Web Site with heaps of Primera info on it. That will help to get people interested.

Welcome back AWD Primera

Yes, info is a big drawcard, the reason most of us came to AF to start with I think. OK then, shall we start a list of possible sources of info:
Dealership Service manual $700NZ
www.jpnz.co.nz English translation of owners manual $45
internet links to Japan (and babelfish)
possibly sweet talk NZ specialists to contribute info/articles in exchange for banner space etc. (e.g. Pete Van Brugel, anyone racing a Primera, dealerships, suspension/engine/transmission type specialists like Marshalls transmissions, Kelford Camtech, Suspension City etc.)

Please add your ideas .....

[Primal SMX]

Originally posted by AWD Primera
120 Kw is the Engine Power - not wheel Horse Power like you got when you dynoed your car. 85Kw sounds pretty good at the wheels. Ive a friend whose Te P10 put out 75kw at the front wheels (stock standard SR20DE - 110kw version).
The SMX Primeras definitly had a few engine 'tickles' done to them including ECU upgrade, extractors and possibly timing. My information is a little sketchy but this is what I have been told when I went to look at one, 'pretending' to buy it - I was just being nosey! - no way I could afford one. You should contact Nissan to see what the differences between a standard p11 and the SMX are.
P.S - FXGT's also make 120Kw but are a f**k load lighter than a P11. - however the P11 has a little more torque to help it along.

It still never felt like 120 at the engine when i got it. Like i said FXGT with grandads driving them were beating me off the lights all the way to about 120kmh and now i think i have a complex!! aaaaaargh!!
I believe those were the claims made by stillen and Nissan, the only differences were the pod and exhaust like i said, the springs were changed to Eibach, Alloys, sway bars (i think) stilles strut brace, Race seats, leather wraped steering wheel, Momo gear knob, The body kit and thats about it as far as i know. Stillen did not touch the ECU or any other modifications like that, they were all bolt on items.