Disappointed

[importriders]

Originally posted by LS1Steve
keep in mind that while everyone praises the Z, 99% of the people on this board have not yet even driven one yet

Yes, isnt that something. A car that has been sold to thousands, and who knows how many deposits are out there post pre-order, and without driving or even seeing it in person. That has to say something about a car, when it can sell out, without being out. So if the Z28 is the best bang for the buck, why isn't it such a hot seller, and why is the Z so hot. Let's face it, the Z28 is dated. Just look at your local race track. I haven't seen any Camaros racing at Willow Springs. On the drag strip, maybe. But come on now, who buys a car because it can go fast in a straight line. Yes, some people do, and we all have names for these people. The 350Z is an all around performer, both on track and street. On top of all that it is relatively cheap and has Nissan reliability. This is why the Z is the best bang for the buck in my opinion. Not because of its HP to dollar ratio. If you look at bang for the buck strictly on HP per dollar, then why don't you strap a V8 to a go-cart ,thats the best bang for the buck.

[LS1Steve]

have you even read all the posts? I never said one was "better", just pointed out that they are different cars for different people. Please, graduate kindergarden then come post.

[JL 350Z]

so anywho how many of u characters have driven the new z yet?

untill u drive 1, dont bash it coz lemme tell u right now, id take it over just about any car that has been mentioned in this post, its an all around car in every way and in my opinion it is a hell of a value; that is if u pay sticker price on it

[importriders]

Originally posted by LS1Steve
have you even read all the posts? I never said one was "better", just pointed out that they are different cars for different people. Please, graduate kindergarden then come post.

Hey, hold on there. Just because I quote your post doesn't mean I am taking a shot at you. As a matter of fact I never accused you of saying one was better than the other. The reason for my post was to express "my feelings" toward this "entire" thread. The thread title is "dissapointed", obviously in the new Z. And there were comparisons done between the Z and the Camaro by you and several other members of this board. I am stating my view on the subject. You stated a dollar per hp comparison and others were stating a bang for the buck comparison. My post addressed the later. Sorry if I used the Camaro as my comparison subject, but it seemed fit. In any regards, this is a message board, and a 350Z message board at that. So you shouldn't be surprised at the backlash you recieve when you talk about an LS1 or any car for that matter in any regards to the new Z.

If you truly are in college, then act like it. To post something like that above only reflects on the type of person you are. I hope that you are not that kind of person.

[w0mbat]

I just have to question since when did the 0-60 figure become the all important yardstick for measuring sports car performance? The Miata has a 0-60 somewhere north of 8.5 seconds and is still one of the most fun cars on the planet. The MINI Cooper S logs 7.1 and will eat up anything less than a Modena or Pagani Zonda on a curvy track. The Suzuki Hayabusa will get you 0-60 in something like 3 seconds (McLaren F1 takes 3.2). The 350Z is potentially a great sports car because it delivers so much for the price. Almost 300 hp, good looks, great handling and accelaration, Japanese reliability (anyone driving an american made car over 10 years old thats worth more than $1500 raise their hand) . All this for a price thats about 2/3 of a Corvette z06. Beat that!

[importriders]

Yeah, some people on this board are dissapointed because the 350z only delivers $50,000 car performance for $30,000. Some people are just to critical. If they spent $50,000 on the car I would understand the nitpicking, but $30,000 for a car most people(i.e. all the car mags) are calling "revolutionary" and "affordable", its a steal. I wouldn't be surprised if Nissan ups the price next year and the car still sells like hot cakes.

[Ophitoxaemia]

(considering a 350z)

i think it looks pretty good compared to the other street cars ive been eyeing over the last year- mostly 3 year old vettes or BMWs for more like $30+K. a brand new rear wheel drive IRS and LSD equipped sports car for $28K? im checking it out. i just wish it wasnt so heavy.

ive got a 73 240Z SCCA-ITS road race car and if captures that awesome car's feel, they've got a winner. anyone else have experience with the car that supposed the 350Z is supposed to emulate? the times are nothing like it was in 1970 though, as the 240Z had essentially TWICE the horsepower of the competition, 4 wheel independent suspension, AND was cheaper.

-james

[importriders]

Originally posted by Ophitoxaemia
(considering a 350z)

i think it looks pretty good compared to the other street cars ive been eyeing over the last year- mostly 3 year old vettes or BMWs for more like $30+K. a brand new rear wheel drive IRS and LSD equipped sports car for $28K? im checking it out. i just wish it wasnt so heavy.

ive got a 73 240Z SCCA-ITS road race car and if captures that awesome car's feel, they've got a winner. anyone else have experience with the car that supposed the 350Z is supposed to emulate? the times are nothing like it was in 1970 though, as the 240Z had essentially TWICE the horsepower of the competition, 4 wheel independent suspension, AND was cheaper.

-james

That is true, and also back then the 240Z's competition was very different. I believe they were the Fiat 124 Sport Coupe, MGB GT, Opel GT and Triumph GT6 Mk 3(R&T). Far different from its current competition.

[Ophitoxaemia]

however, i think the 350Z stands out less decisively not because of any deficiency, but rather because ALL cars are so much better than they used to be.

0-60 in 5.5 aint slow (and i drive a car thats 1.5 sec faster than that). you can get into plenty of trouble plenty quick!

now, ive just got to find one to look at.

-james

[formerfordguy]

Originally posted by w0mbat
(anyone driving an american made car over 10 years old thats worth more than $1500 raise their hand

Any 30 year old Mustang is worth more than that http://www.karmustang.com

Any 20 year old Corvette is worth more than that -- and appreciating.
http://www.proteamcorvette.com

Any 20 year old Chevelle is worth more than that -- and appreciating.

You get the drift.

Here's one for you, find any 20 year old Japanse car that you'd want to have -- you've the 240/260Z to pick from.

[skylinegtr34]

First off 20 years ago was 1982 Japanese cars were just starting to get good. American cars were all ready gone to hell. And personally there is no 1980's American car I would drive.

[formerfordguy]

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
First off 20 years ago was 1982 Japanese cars were just starting to get good. American cars were all ready gone to hell. And personally there is no 1980's American car I would drive.

Agree. Actually I think you could extend that to any American made car between 1973 and 1990.

But w0mbat's original post about no American cars over ten years old being worth more than $1500 must have been a joke.

[w0mbat]

Formerfordguy,

I was merely exaggerating for dramatic effect. American automotive companies have made some decent cars in the last couple of decades (Ford Escort Cosworth). Unfortunately, these have mostly been sold in Europe while we got the POS versions designed for our grand mothers. You may have noticed from my previous post that I dont much care about the 0-60 times and top speeds. I'd rather have a E31 M3 on a curvy road than a Viper GTS on a freeway. Different folks. Different strokes.

I didnt mean to belittle the US auto industry. So, no one take offense please

[LS1Steve]

it looks like this has turned into an american car bashing thread, i should get some users from LS1.com to come in here.

Its ironic though considering that this thread was started by a 350Z owner that was "dissappointed"

I've spoken to several people who have recently gotten a 350Z who also own an LS1, and they agree with everything i've said. Great handling car, but severely lacks the torque they are used to. Like mentioned above, different strokes for different folks.
Again, see you all on the road, don't bet the pink.

[Scottie300z]

I've spoken to several people who have recently gotten a 350Z who also own an LS1, and they agree with everything i've said. Great handling car, but severely lacks the torque they are used to.

Well, yeah what did they expect?
They did realize they were buying an import that is made to compete in other ways then low end power.

If they didn't I guess they should be disappointed, but only due to their own ignorance. If they did realize that then they got what they paid for and should be happy w/ it.

That of course means 0-60 isn't every thing but don't say that the 350z is slow in the straight line. It just doesn't improve all that much on the 300zx TT (even though it is prob. more reliable, being N/A). And in straight line I don't see it being too far behind a LS1 to be disappointed in. Especially considering the LS1 is made for straight line speed (V8, high Torque, 300+ hp, etc..) and the Z (V6, broad powerband, 287hp, etc..) isn't.