Recap of English F1 Fleet

[cabrio92]

Hello,

excellent dear Chris

I want to add an element which can help or not Do you remember this shot with two F1 near a highway ? #073 and another black HDF behind (the exact location of this shot is France or Germany but two sources say opposite !)

here is the plate of the black one :


And I try on the RAC site with M351 HPM eh eh

Manufacturer
Model
Body type SPORTS
Colour BLUE
Fuel type PETROL
Date manufactured 31 December 1994
Number of previous owners 3
Last owner change 07 October 2003

Ciao
Phil

[Peloton25]

That was chassis #011 Phil - later refitted to look like this and believed to no longer be in the UK (possibly FRANCE!! :22yikes: )



>8^)
ER

[cabrio92]

Hello,

waouh Erik, so on the same shot two Ojjeh's cars !!!! How many times he does a refit
with #036, he owned at least 4 F1s

012R

Possibly now in the US at Highcroft Racing

The pics are taken in France, do you know where and when please ?

Phil

[cabrio92]

Hmm other thing, in this topic http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...%23011+october

Chris says ""1994 McLAREN F1
Registration No. F1 MAC
Chassis No. SA9AB5AC9R1048011
Engine No. 61121 6041 0669"

The plate is different, so how do you know this black F1 is #011 ???

Phil

[mini magic]

Because of the car it was with (also owned by Ojjeh) and certain features of the car (Erik will know more, i think he made the original deduction).

[Peloton25]

Originally Posted by cabrio92

The plate is different, so how do you know this black F1 is #011 ???

Phil

Educated guess and a tie in on this old photo which I am sure you will recall. Note the silver "F1" logo on the wing endplate:



Part of the webpage text relating to that photo:

A road car owner had his in to get the "LM" high down force package installed; rear wing, new front clip with splitter and wider rear tires. His brother also owns one, and as they drive together often, McLaren made them a hands free car-to-car communication system (mil. spec. Scrambled so NO ONE can overhear them) so they can chat while driving against each other. They are the only ones who will ever get that system.

I have heard/read reports that the brothers that owned these two cars were Venezuelan and therefore would not be the Ojjeh brothers (Mansour's nationality is listed as "France/Saudi Arabia"). In fact, one such quote is here:

The F1 pictured here was first delivered in 1998 to one of two brothers from Venezuela who both owned McLaren F1s (the other was S/N 011) and kept their cars at the factory in England. S/N 073 features the 691“hp LM-spec engine and performance package.

http://www.ferraris-online.com/Artic...0408_ECP.shtml

This article was printed in Sports Car Market magazine, August 2004, along with photos of #073 as well.

>8^)
ER

[cabrio92]

So,

if I understand correctly, #011 and #073 were sold to two brothers then sold to two brothers. And refitted I think ?

Ciao
Phil

[Peloton25]

It's my understanding now that the same two brothers owned #011 & #073 from the start, up until the point they were auctioned by Christies. I don't believe either of those brothers had the last name of Ojjeh anymore.

>8^)
ER

[cabrio92]

Hmm, I don't believe that

It's my understanding now that the same two brothers owned #011 & #073 from the start, up until the point they were auctioned by Christies. I don't believe either of those brothers had the last name of Ojjeh anymore.

>8^)
ER

some persons told me about Ojjeh and especially the repaint with a coulour of a watch. The blue one was listed in a shop in Päris and I am told Ojjeh.
Otherwise, the owner spoke a perfect French at Geneva.

No doubt in my mind.

Pgil

[Peloton25]

Cool - I'm just speculating based on the info provided. The Ojjeh brothers are certainly not from Venezuela, that much I know, and that article is not the only source I have had which seems to suggest the Ojjeh brothers did not own those cars.

If you can do more research on this and come up with more concrete info that would be wonderful. Also, a photo of the driver of #073 when it was spotted in France would also be helpful to some I am sure.

>8^)
ER

[Le Man]

Who own,s the dark green HDF, That was seen at the factory in 99? Also which chassis#.

[Peloton25]

I've never seen a dark green car with the High Downforce Kit fitted. If I had to guess though, I would say the car would most likely have been #073, originally painted AMG Green Velvet.

The Christies auction info on #073 claimed that testing was performed on the car at Bruntingthorpe in May 2000, so that could certainly have co-incided with the refit being completed then. Quoting from the auction description on that car:

After the car was purchased, McLaren offered to undertake this extraordinary project in their workshops in Woking, England. It began with the fitment of their GTR-inspired 'High Downforce Package' which dramatically improved high speed road holding and stability. Later additional improvement was requested to increase the aerodynamic capability of the car in an effective but visually subtle manner thus it was decided to add louvres to the tops of the front wings and balance the rear end of the car with a 4mm %IGurney flap%i. Documented testing at Bruntingthorpe proving ground in May 2000 evaluated these additions and the conclusion was the following; '…The additional downforce enhances the existing levels of grip and stability and provides a great feeling of confidence and security, particularly at high speed.' In addition to this, McLaren installed larger radiators and a sports exhaust system (the original system also accompanies the car) along with a set of forged multi-spoke wheels (exclusive to this car) brandishing suitably colossal Michelin tyres all round. To complete this marvel the LM engine was installed; producing an astonishing 691bhp at 7500rpm and 735 NM of torque (dyno test sheet can be provided upon request) it makes a significant performance improvement. It is important to acknowledge the significance of this upgrade as there is only one other McLaren F1 roadcar with the LM engine fitted.

An additional fax sent from McLaren in August 2000 complimented this astonishing car even further; McLaren's most experienced test driver commented that this car was 'the ultimate F1 variant, having the best combination of performance, stability, grip and handling, whilst still being practical for road use'.

It sounds like the High Downforce Kit was fitted first, before any of the other more radical changes took place on this car. If that's the case, then I suspect that this was your green car.

The only other possibility I can think of would be Paul Stewart's #023 as it was originally finished in British Racing Green. It now wears a partial High Downforce Kit, but has been painted silver. It's tough to say if both of those changes would have taken place at the same time, but one would expect they would have so maybe #023 is not an option.

>8^)
ER

[mini magic]

I think he said he got it repainted first and then got the HD kit later

[Le Man]

This one,

[mini magic]

Nice! Thank you. Thats one b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l McLaren! Thanks!

One a side note, it looks kida like the car being discussed here:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=577170