Uh, why do you Z guys even bother racing F-Bodies/Mustangs? I mean...

[93vtecer]

American car engineering is just way behind the power curve. Honda puts out a 4 cylinder 2.0 engine that puts out 240hp. The same as a mustang gt with an engine over twice the size. Yes the Mustang has a lot more torque but at the end of the quarter mile track the s2000 will come in first every time. My buddies sentra se-r has the sr20det j-spec engine, on 10lbs of boost (just 2 lbs over stock) he's beaten almost every slowmestic on the street, to include the elusive corvette, no it wasnt the zr1 or the z04, but a corvette nun the less. At the track he has hit 14.6's consistenely (at lacr, considered to be a slow track due to elevation). He paid 1500 for the car and 2000 for the engine talk about bang for the buck. And there are lots of cars like theese. Unfortunately due to the High emmission laws you do not see the japaneese engineering, and when you do it is toned down and overpriced. However they lower the emission standards for those crappy suv's people like which I dont understand but that is another subject. Japaneese engineers make so much more power with less, If theese american engineers are so great how come they dont do anything big with a four cylinder or a six cylinder. I take that back the new svt neon that is supercharged is coming out, I admit that it is fast and cheap, but its competition is the subaru wrx and the mitsubishi evo which comes out soon and the evo puts out close to 300hp although rated at 280. You can say yeah but they both cost over 10000 compared to the neon, but that is because you got those crappy taxes your paying for because no one wants to buy american, and that is the only way they can compete. The six cylinder mustang and camero gets you nowhere fast, comparable to a stock civic in speed.
If I can keep up with you if not beat you in my 2.2 prelude that runs 14.9 na take out 4 of your spark plugs to make it fair (I'll let you pick.) And you'll see how fast your slowmestic will get you with an engine comparable in size to mine

[WakkaWu]

Dont ya love posting while drunk!

You are very correct there.lol.

The Z will not beat a Stang (YEA FUCKIN RIGHT, MAN) a Trans Am (wrong a-gaaaaaaaain) is a fuckin joke. Me and my neighbor raced a 4.6L gt stang and beat the shit out of him in his GTA Trans Am. MY 86 2+2 beat that TA in any thing he threw about an hour and a half ago. So I can beat the shit out of a stock 4.6 Stang, and a Stock GTA TA. The Vette would be a good race....especailly if it's a Z06 against the new Z. The regular new skool vette starts at 43K. That's a lot more then the base for a 350....and a LOT more for the Z06. I actually like the new vettes. Beautiful cars. The Z06 is one BAD bitch too. They're just really expensive. Who'd win against a new Z and a Vette...a Vette. But they're more expensive too. If I got the Track Z (~33K) and dumped the remainder that I'd spend on the Vette into the Z, I bet I'd win...and STILL be a LEV. The TA, Cam, and Vette are LEV...where'd you hear that? No where on the Chevy website do I see LEV for the Vette. I'm too drunk to look for the Camaro. I'm goin to bed soon. The Vette gets 18/19MPG in the city....you're tellin me THAT'S a Low Emission Vehicle???.....................

Well duh,of course it will beat a stock Mustang.I know it wont beat the a snake though(Cobra)Yea,it would probably beat an '86TA but a brand new Trans Am?Wake up from dreemland dude.Your crazy.A VETTE AGAINST THE Z?Are you mad?The Vette wold BURN the Z BY FAR!405HP against 287HP?wow.Sorry but when your drunk then you almost dont know anything.

[Neutrino]

Ok people you need to be more specific. Not just say the TA will walk all over the z. Specify on what kind of race. I mean take a z06 and go rally racing you won't finnish 1/10 of the course with all 400hp. Just brute force won't be enough to win certain type or races there are many other factors.

[Lord Rahl]

[quote]Originally posted by WakkaWu .NEWS FLASH!!!:Your wrong!!!!!!!Dont get me wrong,imports are great beutiful cars and I love them but they arent the fastest cars on the road.

Maybe not the fastest but overall performance is almost always better on imports than domestics. Not to mention reliability and effeciency. Import engine design is light years better. I'd take an M3 over a Vette any day.

[turbo2nr]

450HP?I highly doubt it.Where are you getting your information?

well in a super street issue the skylines at a big race in japan competing in the gt-500 class were powered by vq35 motors, they then twin turboed those motors so they are now vq35dett motors and to be in the gt500 class they have to make 500hp,...

..so there for i think you can get an easy 500 hp form a twin turbo vq35,

also the vq35 isnt that much different from the old vg30dett dound in the 300z n if u no about cars u know that those motors can easily but out 600+hp, now the vq has .5 more liters so there for i think that it can put out a little more then 600 hp, but only time will tell!!

[WakkaWu]

Not to mention reliability and effeciency

My family owns a mechnics garage and I can tell you that 70% of the cars that go into that shop to drop in new engines or repairs are imports.

also the vq35 isnt that much different from the old vg30dett dound in the 300z n if u no about cars u know that those motors can easily but out 600+hp, now the vq has .5 more liters so there for i think that it can put out a little more then 600 hp, but only time will tell!!

But they dont even put those in the Z.Would more than 5L even fit under the hood of a Z?

[turbo2nr]

im not sure but the vg30dett would fit in the 350z cause the vq35 is also a v-6 but then again the vg has a twin turbo setup so it might take some time fitting it....
........but i would rather take the money and work the 350z and twin turbo that motor!

[WakkaWu]

True,True

[cobraman03]

THE 350Z IS A NICE CAR.FOR $34500 YOU GET 287HP THAT RUNS 14.4 1/4 @98MPH AND PULLS .88GS IN THE SKIDPAD.THE CAR TIPS THE SCALE AT 3370LBS.THE 3.5 V6 IS A NICE ENGINE.THE ZO6 COST $52000 WITH 405HP AND RUNS THE 1/4 IN 12.85 @114 AND PULLS .94GS IN THE SKIDPAD.THAT CAR TIPS THE SCALE AT 3118LBS.MY COBRA COST ME $34750 WITH 390HP AND RUNS 12.84@114 IN THE 1/4.THE SKIDPAD IS .91GS AND TIPS THE SCALE AT 3665LBS.0-60 TIMES ARE 5.8 350Z,4.6 ZO6, 4.6 COBRA.0-100 TIMES ARE 15.1 350Z,10.7 ZO6 AND 10.6 COBRA.TOP SPEEDS ARE 153MPH 350Z,168MPH ZO6 AND 155MPH COBRA.THE 350Z IS OUT OF ITS CLASS COMPARED TO THESE TWO AMERICAN CARS.ON THE TRACK THE 350Z WOULD NOT STAY WITH THE ZO6 OR THE COBRA.THESE ARE STOCK CARS FROM THE FACTORY WITH NO CHANGES.DON'T TALK ABOUT PUTTING $$$$$ INTO THE ENGINE BECAUSE ALL CARS CAN GET FASTER WITH $$$$.THESE ARE NUMBERS FROM CAR MAGS IN THE U.S.I HAVE GONE 12.41@115 WITH A CHANGE OF SHIFTERS.IF ANYBODY CAN TELL ME WHY A 350Z IS BETTER PLEASE TELL ME.

[turbo2nr]

as much as i hate american cars i got to give them respect cause for that price range the vette and the stang are better then the 350z right out the factory.i admit dat.(i feel all nasty now!)
but if u hook up these cars the 350z will rune the vette and stang out the water!

no disrespect to u cobraman but 4 $34750 i can have a 11s car or even 10sec using a sr20det motor in a 240sx.

ill leave it at that!

[cobraman03]

FOR $500 MY CAR CAN RUN 11S AND HAVE THAT NEW CAR SMELL.I LIKE IMPORTS BUT YOU CAN'T BY YOUR SPEED FROM THE FACTORY.

[turbo2nr]

i no its a whole other ball game when u start hookin up your car
good luck wit ur cobra
my be 1 day when i get a car we'll race
who noes?

[Dave of D.I.]

Im a straight out Honda guy with a slight crush on cars such as the new Z, 94+RX7's and 94+ Supras,new M3, Mustang Cobra and NSX but since I cant offord those cars yet Im forced to pick on mustangs with my 1990Integra LS 1.8 killa Bmotor. Dont take it the wrong way I do love the sound of a V8 I just dont respect the trash talking I hear from the drivers. I love the look on their faces as my Integra with a stock engine runs past their V8's. I think its sad for a 1.8 V4 with some mods to spank a 5.0V8; these V8 drivers have set themselves up by always down playing little engines made for example by Honda. I have a friend with a stock 1.8Vtec GSR engine in his civic coupe and a computer mod beat a 5.0 that was at Hunts point burning rubber; the funny thing is my friend called him out while he was burning rubber all over the place trying to empress everyone. Anyway to see a 1.8 4cyl stock keep up with the rumble of a 5.0 V8 as the 1.8 4cyl missed 3rd gear and began to pass him when he finally got into 3rd correctly was a silly thing! You shoulda seen the mustang drivers face !LOL! Anyway just to let yah know you dont want the imports to go into V8 power cause american muscle or not the imports would win; you got enough trouble with their 4's. Once again dont take me in the wrong way I actaully plan on getting a mustang later on in life(cobra!) but all U import haters:finger: and I dont see how a stock mustang will beat the new Z unless it says saleen or Cobra on it! To the muscle heads who dont talk shit to the imports have fun racing and be safe but to the shit talkers have fun and be safe when your racing :finger: . Oh yeah compare your stock Mustangs to skylines, Rx7's, Supras, Z's, 3000GT turbo, S2000 and NSX's not the 1.8 4cyl eventhough we still beat you.LOL. later.

[turbo2nr]

hey dave im from nyc, qnz
yo dat civic is a white hatch wit black rims?

ohh yea btw by postin dat story u know u starting alot of trouble rite?
hope u can handle it........
good luck..

o yea when waz u at huch point?

cause i go sum time when i get a ride up there.

[cobraman03]

5.0 MUSTANGS HAVE 215HP AND RUN 15S. STOCK MUSTANG GTS HAVE 260HP AND RUN 14.0@100.STOCK SUPRA 320HP 13.6@106.300ZX TURBO 14.5@97.STOCK 3000GT TURBO 320HP 13.9@100.STOCK S2000 240HP 14.4@98.STOCK NSX 290HP 13.1@107.STOCK RX-7 255HP 14@99.STOCK SKYLINE 276HP(YEAH RIGHT) 12.8@109.THESE ARE ALL BADASS CARS.THE MUSTANG GT COST $10000 LESS THAN THE S2000.THE INTEGRA TYPE-R WAS A NICE CAR BUT COST $25000 AND RUNS 15.4 1/4.THIS IS NOT IMPORT HATIN ITS JUST THE FACTS.