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Old 02-04-2006, 03:23 PM   #16
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Re: Proformance Chips

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you have to admit, out of the Z31 owners out there...not many modify in comparison to the Z32.
I've seen faster Z31s than Z32s... I've never even seen a Z32 in the 9s until Dupree did it just recently.

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Romulator is weak in my opinion...
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setting up your car to the max isnt always a good idea to drive around everyday.
Who said I'm gunna drive it every day?

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there are safety margins that you need to stay with in to keep your motor from destroying itself.
Well, if you're beyond the span of that safety margin, you're past the "max" aren't ya? lol

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did you know if you boost higher without changing the ECU you will actually get better performance but you run the risk of detonation on the slightest variation. his is because not letting the ECU that you are boosting this high will cause the A/F ratio to lean out giving it better performance. but is leaning out your A/F good, no. it will eventually destroy your motor, what if it gets colder you and you ahve it tuned on the edge. not safe...this is why there is an ECU in the first place. to keep your prize possession from blowing up in your face...
I do not want my car to lean out...ever. That's like playing with fire. Why risk everything else you've done just to try to squeeze out that last little spec of oomph? That's just not worth it.

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and for you to tune your system yourself to the degree that you are speaking would take many dyno pulls and hours of tuning. dyno tuning is expensive...
Yup. Sure is. But it's necessary. If you wanna play, pay. There will be no cutting corners.

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it is a much more cost effective method for someone to buy a S-AFCII and a program from a company and spend a a couple of hours on the dyno fine tuning your performance on the AFC and letting the ECU keep it within most things within safety. this would be in comparison of spending thousands on dynos...
Sure...there is more than one way to skin a cat. I might even change my mind before I get to the point to actually make the decision. As of right now, I'm romulator all the way.

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Old 02-04-2006, 03:44 PM   #17
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Re: Proformance Chips

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I've seen faster Z31s than Z32s... I've never even seen a Z32 in the 9s until Dupree did it just recently.
um...escort has 2 sitting in their shop if i am not mistaken and one is still N/A.

Jun made one a long time ago.

just to name a few japanese companies...


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Who said I'm gunna drive it every day?
i shouldnt have assumed...i remember you saying you were keeping your interior. why keep an interior on a race only car?

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I do not want my car to lean out...ever. That's like playing with fire. Why risk everything else you've done just to try to squeeze out that last little spec of oomph? That's just not worth it.
you are the one that stated "With the romulator, I can set it up my self so I KNOW it's to the max.". To the max, i would assume is on the brink of too lean beings that would most likely give you the best performance.

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Yup. Sure is. But it's necessary. If you wanna play, pay. There will be no cutting corners.
the point was that you can get the best performance without chancing safety by doing it another way, that i think would be a little be cheaper than 20 hours on a dyno. do you know how much dyno time JWT and Ash spent creating programs for cars?

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Sure...there is more than one way to skin a cat. I might even change my mind before I get to the point to actually make the decision. As of right now, I'm romulator all the way.
so, beings your doing this all yourself...i suppose you will not be ripping someone else program as a starting point. my problem with romulator is the fact that i give you values hat you cannot change for more than a certain time limit. its not like you can sit behind your computer just mix matching shit. this is what Ashley is working on...a software program that will work with Romulator/Zemulator, that will allow you to do MORE. right now, romulator is helpful but not as helpful as one would assume.

so your gonna spend that time on a dyno several times a year burning new chips when the temperature changes seeing as you want the MAX out of your car?

good luck man...all i am saying is that it is easier, more effective, and cheaper to buy tuning electronics to add to your already effective tuned chip. at the push of the button i can have track settings and DD settings with tuning devices like S-AFCII. at 200rpm incrememnts i can change the A/F to anything i please and then save it.

this will ensure that i am getting good performance on the highway but still getting decent gas mileage and not detonating the whole way down I-57. but when i am on the track i can turn it up a notch with the push of a button and have top notch performance, making things like gas mileage secondary.
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my problem with romulator is the fact that i give you values hat you cannot change for more than a certain time limit. its not like you can sit behind your computer just mix matching shit.
http://www.redz31.com/pages/fuel/romulator.html

hmmm...
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Old 02-04-2006, 04:12 PM   #19
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ok..i take that part back. i didnt realize the Z31 had "live edit"...i am pretty positive Zemulator does not offer this with the Z32 but i will do some research on it.
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Re: Proformance Chips

I saw something on there about the Zemulator regardin Live Edit, I think.

Anyway. Right now, the flexability and cost effective-ness of the Romulator just can't be touched by anything else I've seen. A JWT ECU is around $600, if I remember correctly. The Romulator isn't even $200! I'm sure I could find a cheaper ECU than JWT but there's no way I'm gunna find one for under $200. Plus, even if I did, I wouldn't be able to do any where NEAR all I can with the Romulator.

I say I'm going to tune to the max just because I couldn't think of another way to put it. "Max" meaning "the furthest the engine will go safely". I don't wanna put all this work, time and money into the thing and then blow it up cuz I got greedy.

I probably am going to keep the interior. If not all of it, most of it. Again, this is another one of those things that I just can't quite make my mind up on. With my power goal, I think I'll probably be able to keep it all and be alright...

I'm not going to drive it every day nor am I going to have a full race car. Trailer queens are a waste, imo. It will be street legal and it will be liveable, but it won't be like it was when it rolled out of the showroom.

I've seen the Escort NA one before...why do you even mention that one? It's not even unibody any more...
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Old 02-05-2006, 01:05 AM   #21
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I've seen the Escort NA one before...why do you even mention that one? It's not even unibody any more...
because it is still in N/A form. if you dont know...people struggle to get 300rwhp out of the N/A motor and they built it to 800rwhp range if i am not mistaken. impressive whatever it is. you said you Z31 vs. Z32, and that is still classified as a Z32 with the same motor it came with from the factory.

i dont really know what their Twin Turbo is running but last i heard on tt.net was 8's.

most people that have the money to modify their Z32 DD it and track it, not just a drag racer. ithe reason why you dont see alot of 900rwhp/1000rwhp+ Z32's is because they cant fit a big enough turbo in the stock locations therefore it takes lots of modifying to move to a single turbo set-up or moving the turbos elsewhere.

anyways, my argument wasnt how many high HP Z32's there are in comparison to Z31's. my argument was how many people modify compared to Z31's....

anyways, good luck with your project and tuning...i hope you do like DZ and start with a already made downloadable program. it will make a good starting point for you to further tune according to your car.
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Old 02-05-2006, 10:18 AM   #22
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anyways, my argument wasnt how many high HP Z32's there are in comparison to Z31's. my argument was how many people modify compared to Z31's....
I don't think there are more Z32 tuners, I think they are just seen more.

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anyways, good luck with your project and tuning...i hope you do like DZ and start with a already made downloadable program. it will make a good starting point for you to further tune according to your car.
Thanks, man. It'll be fun. I still have a ton of bridges to cross and decisions to make. I can't choose everything right now. Things change. I have an idea what I want but I'm not close minded about it, either. So we'll see how it turns out! The next thing I have to do is get an impact wrench. I'm not sure how I'm going to do this cuz I don't have a compressor and I've heard the electric ones are lame...so I dunno. Might just go all out and get a compressor...
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Damn that planted a seed...now I'm lookin to get a compressor and impact wrench.

Sweeeeeeeeeeeet. Not too expensive, either. Just don't know if it has enough oomph to run an impact wrench.
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