VW Passat W8 vs. Rivals- advice for a potential customer

[edonis]

I never said the Enzo was ugly.. Its not beautiful, but I still love it..!:ylsuper

[Dorikin]

My dad just bought a 530....what an amazing car...go with the 525i

[Stefanel1]

good car the 530i. Manual I hope
Why didn't he wait the new 5 series ?

[Dorikin]

no its auto

New 530 is :apuke:

[Stefanel1]

You don't like the new 5 ?!! ... mhhh, quite original, but nice to me.

[Jimster]

The new 5-series is a $50,000 car with tail lights from a $10,000 Kia Rio :apuke:



Chris Bangle suxx0rs at teh design shop

[Stefanel1]

I don't really like the 7 series (especially inside) but I do like the Z4 and 5 series.... I'm maybe younger of spirit just kidding

[edonis]

I'm really quite sad that BMW made the new 5-series so f***** up. I just cant get my self to like it. The interior just seems so cold and I'm going to say this straight out- UGLY. The "old" 5-series is much nicer to look at, and if I were to buy a 5-series today, I think I'd rather have the old one until I can get used to the new one.

Ps. Stefaniel: Renault is considering to drop the Vel Satis, if you didn't know, due to low sales, next year...

[Stefanel1]

I already heard about this drop of the Vel Satis, they did it for the Avantime but they won't do it for the Vel Satis which will be a little bit restyled. .... You don't seem to like the too original cars (Vel Satis, new 5 Séries e.g) !

[edonis]

Actually, you're wrong I do like somewhat special cars. But I also like a nice design, which I can't say the Vel Satis has. Sorry. Renault and Peugot shouldn't have tried to enter the luxury sedan market with 607 and the Vel Satis, but they are much better at making smaller, middle-class cars. Peugot is doing really well with the 206 and 307, 406 is getting old, but the coupe is really a looker.. Hope they'll make the RC/Spades (or whatever it was called) concept into carCan't say the same for Renault, though.. I'd take a Spyder, and maybe I'd have a Laguna, and restyled the front

Anyways, t'is ain't the point.. Point is I do approve of original cars, but there goes a limit somewhere. The Avantime was too far over the limit too look back at it, but nice of Renault to try so save Matra..

[Stefanel1]

I don't agree with your statement about the luxury brand of Peugeot and Renault. Or do you consider that Peugeot, Citroën, Renault Volkswagen, Toyota and this kind of "generalist" makers (opposate to the "specialists as BMW or Audi for example) would make "big cars" of the size of the 607, Vel Satis, C6, Phaeton, etc. ?
But that's clear that many buyers of a big sedan which costs more than 35 000 € want to have the star or the propeller on their car... even if it costs a little bit more.
The Phaeton, the 607, the Safrane, the Oméga etc. will always sell less than the specialists. For Saab, Alfa Romeo and Volvo, they are neither specialists nor generalist.. in the middle.

[Jimster]

Originally posted by Stefanel1
I don't agree with your statement about the luxury brand of Peugeot and Renault. Or do you consider that Peugeot, Citroën, Renault Volkswagen, Toyota and this kind of "generalist" makers (opposate to the "specialists as BMW or Audi for example) would make "big cars" of the size of the 607, Vel Satis, C6, Phaeton, etc. ?
But that's clear that many buyers of a big sedan which costs more than 35 000 € want to have the star or the propeller on their car... even if it costs a little bit more.
The Phaeton, the 607, the Safrane, the Oméga etc. will always sell less than the specialists. For Saab, Alfa Romeo and Volvo, they are neither specialists nor generalist.. in the middle.

I perfer to put Alfa Romeo as generalists- who offer something a little more exciting than the norm

[Stefanel1]

MMMhh, not very simple to classify Alfa but they are (to me) the Italian BMW

[edonis]

All makers are of coarse welcome to make big cars, but when they try to make it luxurious and stick a high price tag on it, its most often a flop.. Nissan Maxima, Mazda Xedos 9 are also examples of this.. No status, no luxury, no feel.. just BORING big cars. The Vel Satis may offer a slightly more exclusive feel, but none the less, they're better off making middleclass cars.

For me, Alfa romeo are very neat cars, and they have a special image which doesn't have any bad sides. Here, Bmw's (especially 3-series) are known as Kebab-racers/trolleys and so on, Merc is Taxi's, but Alfa doesn't have that sort of "rumour", quite simply because no one dislikes Alfa's.. However, I'm appaled that they don't have a good A6-contender, the 166 is getting old, and I don't like the looks of it (SORRY).

THe headligths are so small and not proportioned right, and so on. But I'm glad they're making a new one now