Automotive Forums .com - the leading automotive community online! Automotive Forums .com - the leading automotive community online!
Automotive Forums .com - the leading automotive community online! 
-
Latest | 0 Rplys
Go Back   Automotive Forums .com Car Chat > Cars in General
Reply Show Printable Version Show Printable Version | Email this Page Email this Page | Subscription Subscribe to this Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-11-2006, 05:00 AM   #121
Jimster
Here for the pussy, man.
 
Jimster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Auckland
Posts: 11,879
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Send a message via ICQ to Jimster Send a message via AIM to Jimster Send a message via Yahoo to Jimster
Re: 5 cars you hate the most

WTF is wrong with Citroens? If it weren't for Citroens, we'd be driving out dated junk, there'd be no FWD, no radial tyres, no hydraulic suspension, no swivelling headlights, shapes would be hellishly boring, disc brakes would still be only fitted to top of the heap sports cars.... See where I'm heading? They deserve respect for making sure revolution took place, rather than evolution.
__________________
Check out my Pride and joy in AF- and discuss your favourite Alfa Romeo

2007 Audi A4 3.0 TDI Le Mans
Jimster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2006, 03:06 PM   #122
kevinthenerd
AF Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Orlando, Florida
Posts: 146
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: 5 cars you hate the most

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimster
WTF is wrong with Citroens? If it weren't for Citroens, we'd be driving out dated junk, there'd be no FWD, no radial tyres, no hydraulic suspension, no swivelling headlights, shapes would be hellishly boring, disc brakes would still be only fitted to top of the heap sports cars.... See where I'm heading? They deserve respect for making sure revolution took place, rather than evolution.
Ok, radial tires, hydraulic suspension, interesting shapes, and disc brakes are good things, but I'm not so sure I like the idea that everything these days is FWD. While FWD is good in poor traction situations, the whole concept has ruined the modern idea of a performance automobile. Companies are finding out that the general public doesn't know a high performance car from a whole in the ground, and they can get away with badging cheaper FWD cars as sports cars. While some are fun (and quick), a well-designed RWD car will kill them when the roads aren't wet. (Remember when you could get a Nova and drop a naturally aspirated small block in it and, with enough tuning, rule the streets? It takes a lot more money to do the same thing with today's cars.) It seems the average buyer has no concept of weight transfer and balancing and everything else that really matters. Instead, they follow brand loyalities and the boasting of their affluent peers.
__________________

kevinthenerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2006, 04:42 PM   #123
pimprolla112
AF Enthusiast
 
pimprolla112's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: mechanicsville, Maryland
Posts: 1,424
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Send a message via AIM to pimprolla112 Send a message via MSN to pimprolla112
Re: 5 cars you hate the most

I wish idiots would stop saying it cost double the money to make a fwd car as fast as rwd one. Budget drag imports can be done and have been done. Im sure the dsm group can bring light to this. You dont need 10k to make an 11 sec fwd honda. My friend has one he just rebuilt it has a 1.6l, open diff trans, turbo and he ran an 11.7 in the 1/4. Keep in mind he has only spent 3500 for car, turbo setup, and a gsr engine, which now has b-16 internalls. He was running 13.6 NA, and that was with 2000 in the car. Any person who follows the import scene will tell you its not true anymore when you can get a used car for less than 1k, engine swaps for between 500-2500, and turbo setups for 300-to no end. Hell do it cheaper prove them wrong once and use nitrous, you dont need a heavy low revving V8 anymore to run below 12's for under 5k.
__________________
Cant remember who posted it but if you see it give yourself credit

Don't ever look at cars as just imports or domestics. Just because a car is made in a certain country doesn't mean that it is anything like another car from that country. An example of this is Mitsubishi reliability, just because they are Japanese doesn't mean that they are as reliable as a Honda or Toyota.

Cardomain
pimprolla112 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2006, 04:49 PM   #124
porscheguy9999
AF Enthusiast
 
porscheguy9999's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
Posts: 1,233
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Send a message via AIM to porscheguy9999
Re: 5 cars you hate the most

Kia
Deawoo
Suzuki (but I like their motorcycles)
Mercedes C230 Kompressor "Sport Coupe"
Ricers that look like s#!t
__________________
Currently:
1998 BMW 328is black/black coupe 5MT

Thanks to Nicecar!

Got a Facebook? Join the AF group!
http://hs.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2213949483&ref=mf
porscheguy9999 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2006, 08:17 PM   #125
Jimster
Here for the pussy, man.
 
Jimster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Auckland
Posts: 11,879
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Send a message via ICQ to Jimster Send a message via AIM to Jimster Send a message via Yahoo to Jimster
Re: 5 cars you hate the most

Quote:
Originally Posted by kevinthenerd
Ok, radial tires, hydraulic suspension, interesting shapes, and disc brakes are good things, but I'm not so sure I like the idea that everything these days is FWD. While FWD is good in poor traction situations, the whole concept has ruined the modern idea of a performance automobile. Companies are finding out that the general public doesn't know a high performance car from a whole in the ground, and they can get away with badging cheaper FWD cars as sports cars. While some are fun (and quick), a well-designed RWD car will kill them when the roads aren't wet. (Remember when you could get a Nova and drop a naturally aspirated small block in it and, with enough tuning, rule the streets? It takes a lot more money to do the same thing with today's cars.) It seems the average buyer has no concept of weight transfer and balancing and everything else that really matters. Instead, they follow brand loyalities and the boasting of their affluent peers.

See, the thing is, in the world outside America, what matters is making your car go around a corner. This is doable with both FWD and RWD, but it's easier and cheaper for the maker to do an FWD one, then tighten it up, set up the chassis for good handling etc (Case in point, VW Golf GTi, Honda Integra Type R, Peugeots GTi/RC/S16 cars).
__________________
Check out my Pride and joy in AF- and discuss your favourite Alfa Romeo

2007 Audi A4 3.0 TDI Le Mans
Jimster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 03:22 PM   #126
kevinthenerd
AF Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Orlando, Florida
Posts: 146
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: 5 cars you hate the most

Quote:
Originally Posted by pimprolla112
I wish idiots would stop saying it cost double the money to make a fwd car as fast as rwd one. Budget drag imports can be done and have been done. Im sure the dsm group can bring light to this. You dont need 10k to make an 11 sec fwd honda. My friend has one he just rebuilt it has a 1.6l, open diff trans, turbo and he ran an 11.7 in the 1/4. Keep in mind he has only spent 3500 for car, turbo setup, and a gsr engine, which now has b-16 internalls. He was running 13.6 NA, and that was with 2000 in the car. Any person who follows the import scene will tell you its not true anymore when you can get a used car for less than 1k, engine swaps for between 500-2500, and turbo setups for 300-to no end. Hell do it cheaper prove them wrong once and use nitrous, you dont need a heavy low revving V8 anymore to run below 12's for under 5k.
I love imports like anyone else, but I have a serious problem with FWD. From the very physics of it all, you can't put the power to the ground in a drag race because of rearward weight transfer. 11's are nice, but there's a HUGE difference between running 11's and running 9's. Even with 1400hp, GM's ECOTEC dragsters usually only run 8's. The only thing holding them back (from 7's and 6's) is that they can't hook up like a purpose-built RWD drag car can.

FWD?? Not for me.The Toyota MR2 is one of my favorite cars simply because it has a reliable motor in cheap car, and the setup is almost perfect: light weight, mid-engined, rear wheel drive. It's the best of everything as far as affordable used imports go. The only thing that would have made the car better (and in the supercar handling category with mods) would be if the motor sat lower to the ground with a longitudinal setup like an F1 car. This would provide a lower center of gravity (to get the tranny out from underneath the motor and put it behind it) and a lower polar moment of inertia (with a longer wheelbase to counter it).

My questions about such 11-second Civics, though....

1. How long do such setups last? You have to admit... 800hp out of a four-banger, no matter who makes it, is putting a lot more stress than 800hp on an eight cylinder.

2. Can these cars turn? You can do all you want to the suspension, but you'll never make up for the fact that those cars are front-heavy. Sure, you might be able to outcorner the stock Civic like it's standing still, but there's a good reason why race cars are RWD. (Believe it or not, most aren't required to be.)

If I had to buy a car now with a front engine, I'd get a Miata or an RX7/RX8. I don't even care if your FWD car is faster in a drag... mine will be a LOT more fun to drive, stock-to-stock.
__________________

kevinthenerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 11:59 PM   #127
nikita7
AF Regular
 
nikita7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: San Francisco, California
Posts: 172
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: 5 cars you hate the most

I recently developed an anger issue with Suburban/Tahoe like SUVs. They take up 2 parking space and impossible to see around on the freeway. And most of the time they are driven by distracted bimbos/soccer moms.
__________________
1990 TSI AWD.
JDM redtop 4G63T
4 bolt rear end
91 transmission
CF hood
No-name intake
Reverse glow gauges!
nikita7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2006, 03:10 PM   #128
blakscorpion21
AF Enthusiast
 
blakscorpion21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: cleveland, Tennessee
Posts: 1,338
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: 5 cars you hate the most

Quote:
Originally Posted by kevinthenerd
Ok, radial tires, hydraulic suspension, interesting shapes, and disc brakes are good things, but I'm not so sure I like the idea that everything these days is FWD. While FWD is good in poor traction situations, the whole concept has ruined the modern idea of a performance automobile. Companies are finding out that the general public doesn't know a high performance car from a whole in the ground, and they can get away with badging cheaper FWD cars as sports cars. While some are fun (and quick), a well-designed RWD car will kill them when the roads aren't wet. (Remember when you could get a Nova and drop a naturally aspirated small block in it and, with enough tuning, rule the streets? It takes a lot more money to do the same thing with today's cars.) It seems the average buyer has no concept of weight transfer and balancing and everything else that really matters. Instead, they follow brand loyalities and the boasting of their affluent peers.

too bad an old nova would lose to a fwd minivan on a road course.
__________________
blakscorpion21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 12:35 AM   #129
Be Good
AF Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: East Meadow, New York
Posts: 12
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: 5 cars you hate the most

Ford SUVS/Minivans
Yukon/Delani
Trailblazer's
Hummer's
Ram's
Be Good is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 12:52 AM   #130
Dyno247365
AF Enthusiast
 
Dyno247365's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: LI, New York
Posts: 2,858
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: 5 cars you hate the most

Umm..damn...hate cars?
1. Scions
2. Miata(sorry, i just don't get it)
3. Barabus(F*** that piece of...*stops and calms down*)
4. 4cyl Vans or trucks
3. Cobalt (IT KILLED THE F-BODY!!)
__________________


1996 Dodge Ram 1500 5.2L 5spd!!!
1987 Chevy Iroc-Z- -Needs a new cat
1992 Nissan 240sx 5spd- SOLD
Dyno247365 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 02:39 AM   #131
blakscorpion21
AF Enthusiast
 
blakscorpion21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: cleveland, Tennessee
Posts: 1,338
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: 5 cars you hate the most

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyno247365
Umm..damn...hate cars?

3. Cobalt (IT KILLED THE F-BODY!!)

yea, on the autocross course. hahaha.
__________________
blakscorpion21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 03:37 AM   #132
Dyno247365
AF Enthusiast
 
Dyno247365's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: LI, New York
Posts: 2,858
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: 5 cars you hate the most

Quote:
Originally Posted by blakscorpion21
yea, on the autocross course. hahaha.
remember that commercial where the cobalt acts like the corvette's little brother? That wasn't right, it was like they forgot the camaro ever existed.

on another note, there are two 3's.
__________________


1996 Dodge Ram 1500 5.2L 5spd!!!
1987 Chevy Iroc-Z- -Needs a new cat
1992 Nissan 240sx 5spd- SOLD
Dyno247365 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 03:24 PM   #133
blakscorpion21
AF Enthusiast
 
blakscorpion21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: cleveland, Tennessee
Posts: 1,338
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: 5 cars you hate the most

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyno247365
remember that commercial where the cobalt acts like the corvette's little brother? That wasn't right, it was like they forgot the camaro ever existed.

on another note, there are two 3's.

wasnt the camaro discontinued by then? they cant advertise for a car no longer in production. plus the cobalt ss was the next sportiest thing to the vette in chevys lineup at the time. lol i thought that was a pretty cool commercial. made me want a cobalt ss.
__________________
blakscorpion21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2006, 05:49 PM   #134
Dyno247365
AF Enthusiast
 
Dyno247365's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: LI, New York
Posts: 2,858
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: 5 cars you hate the most

That was the day that GM took a step back in the performance world.
__________________


1996 Dodge Ram 1500 5.2L 5spd!!!
1987 Chevy Iroc-Z- -Needs a new cat
1992 Nissan 240sx 5spd- SOLD
Dyno247365 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2006, 01:43 AM   #135
98BlackTransAm
AF Enthusiast
 
98BlackTransAm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
Posts: 624
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Send a message via AIM to 98BlackTransAm
Re: 5 cars you hate the most

Quote:
Originally Posted by nikita7
I recently developed an anger issue with Suburban/Tahoe like SUVs. They take up 2 parking space and impossible to see around on the freeway. And most of the time they are driven by distracted bimbos/soccer moms.
amen to that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyno247365
That was the day that GM took a step back in the performance world.
2002 marked the end of the f-body dynasty
__________________
2002 Firehawk (M6) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XKnrV7c_Bs
F13 cam (230/232, .595/.585, 112+4 LSA) | PRC Dual Valve Springs | LS2 Timing Chain | Ported LS6 oil pump | Pacesetter LT's | TSP catted y-pipe | Flowtech cutout | LS6 intake | SLP lid | SLP cat-back | Bilstein suspension | Tuned by Mayhem Motorsports


1998 Pontiac Trans Am (A4) - SOLD
slp lid, pacesetter lts, ory, flowtech cutout, fuddle 3400 stall, B&M tranny cooler
98BlackTransAm is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

POST REPLY TO THIS THREAD


Bookmarks
Go Back   Automotive Forums .com Car Chat > Cars in General

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:16 AM.

Community Participation Guidelines | How to use your User Control Panel

Powered by: vBulletin | Copyright Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
 
 
no new posts