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01-02-2002, 05:35 PM | #1 | |
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Yo...Tech heads...shhhhh...V8 question...
What exhuast option is best?
H-Pipe X-Pipe or side-pipes Now...i don't really see how H and X will help...becuase it seems to me to just cause turbulence (i know it doesn't - but it just seems that way). Explain? Fritz?
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01-02-2002, 06:11 PM | #2 | |
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You remember all that stuff we've discussed about backpressure vs. delta-pressure and the idea of exhaust scavenging? See the sticky at the top of the forum if you don't...
Well, in your 4 cyl, you can scavenge between cylinders since they are right next to each other; but in a V8, the firing order jumps back and forth between banks (each side of four cylinders is a bank). If I have a dual exahust on a V8, each bank has a completely seperate exhaust route. By adding the crossover pipe, I now get that scavenging wave from one bank across to the other. X pipes are generally considered a little better from a standpoint of turbulence, but H pipes work almost as well and are a LOT easier to route and install. They generally boost mid-range power significantly; but they may not affect the peak, high-RPM power much at all. Most people try to get them as close as possible to the collector to push the effect as high in the rpm band as possible. But both the H- and X-pipes work (and they do work!) by allowing us to exhaust scavenge across banks. |
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01-02-2002, 09:19 PM | #3 | |
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X pipes are better
In general x-pipes will almost always out perform h- pipes side pipes or even open headers. In carcraft a few months ago they dynoed a cutlass with open headers, x-pipe and h-pipe and no balance tube. The x-pipe had more peak horsepower and torque and more of each "under the curve" also.. Which equals extreme driveability and fun. With a balance pipe the exhaust note is much smoother and quieter. So you don't have to deal with head splitting resonance.
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01-03-2002, 07:59 AM | #4 | |
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As close to the collector as possible? Hmm... Well, I guess it depends on the legnth of the primary tubes of the headers. Usually the cross over ends up being some 4-5 feet down stream from the exhaust ports, which is pretty close to the collectors of a lot of headers.
Anyway, like fritz was saying, it acts basically like an extention to the purpose of headers. Instead of just scavenging from cylinder to cylinder, you can also scavenge from bank to bank. Most V8s have a L-L-R-L-R-R-L-R-L-L... ect firing order, which is why they have a fairly unique exhaust note. But like Crackerman said, with out some sort of balancer pipe it would resonant like crazy. |
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Just to make sure we're still on the same page here, is what you call a "balancer pipe" the same thing as a "crossover pipe"? I have stock dual exhausts on my '64 El Camino (without a crossover pipe) and have never had problems with it "resonating like crazy". |
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01-03-2002, 01:42 PM | #6 | |
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Ah...can u 'dive deeper' into explaining the physics behind why an H or X pipe works?
I heard a newer Saleen the other day, who has X-pipes (a friend from church..her boyfriend knows the guy i guess) and it sounded AWESOME o yeah..I'm a 4-cyl. guy! I forgot
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http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t13199.html Now, do you understand what exhaust scavenging is? |
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01-03-2002, 03:10 PM | #9 | |
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In your el camino if you don't have headers or a larger cam then stock, you probably wouldn't even notice the thrumming or deaffening drone that gives you a headache, usually aroud 2,000 to 3,000 rpm in a cruise with a slight load on the engine(up a hill) the car will usualy try to shake itself to death then. Cross over pipe is the same as a balance pipe or even an x-pipe. Usually try to install them as close to the collector as possible but still infront of the cats or mufflers if they are in the way. The tailshaft of the tranny or the first couple of inches of the driveshaft is probably the easiest place to mount them.
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