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Old 07-05-2005, 01:05 PM   #16
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curb weight is like 3350 pounds. heavy but not that heavy. the GTO is 3750.
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:41 PM   #17
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Re: 300ZX Drifting Downfalls?

Prolly because there's to much weight in the back of an NSX and it's hard to keep it steady. And they make HICAS eliminators for the 240, why wouldn't they just stick one on a Z32 and drift the thing? And I thought only JDM Z32s had HICAS and it wasn't all fo them.
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Old 07-05-2005, 03:50 PM   #18
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nah the US 300zx TT had HICAS too

i remeber becuase my friends has it

i know that alot of people that i know with 300zx tt for auto-x
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Old 07-05-2005, 04:06 PM   #19
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Re: 300ZX Drifting Downfalls?

Do they all have it?
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Old 07-05-2005, 04:38 PM   #20
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i believe all of the TT models have HICAS. the n/a do not. also teh TT have the t-tops and are heavier too. the ideal thing would be to get a non-turbo model and swap out engines.
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Old 07-05-2005, 06:23 PM   #21
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Re: 300ZX Drifting Downfalls?

one of tsuchiya's favorite cars to use for drifting was the nsx... well it was... until he crashed it...
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Old 07-05-2005, 06:33 PM   #22
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Re: Re: 300ZX Drifting Downfalls?

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there's just something about how the car is built that doesn't make it any good
Well there is the most educated thing I've ever read.

Anyway, all Twin Turbo models came with HICAS, the NAs did not. Like the 240, ready made HICAS eliminator kits can be found for fairly cheap.

T-tops were standard for the car, Twin Turbo or NA.

There was a convertible version made in 93-96.

A limited amount of non T-top cars, refered to as slick tops, were made through out the production run.

All US slick tops were non-turbo.

There was a 2+2 (had a back seat) made throughout the production run that came as both NA and TT overseas but only as NA in the US. And like the 240SX, the back seat was not so much a "seat" as it was a rear storage shelf.

The NA and TT models are pretty much the same car except for a few heavier duty pieces on the TT so swapping a TT motor into a NA chassis isn't going to save any weight.

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As for why you don't see them drifting? Well no matter how much money the top drift stars make now they started at the bottom. And if you've been drifting the same car for years you know what it can and can't do and how it will respond to changes in tires, suspension and power. You also have to remember that S13s, S14s, AE86s and the like are very popular with those don't get paid big money to drift. Being a big time star driving the same car as their auidence wins fans I would imagine.

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one of tsuchiya's favorite cars to use for drifting was the nsx... well it was... until he crashed it...
There is still the fact that buying and repairing a Z32 is going to cost alot more than a 180sx.

Crashing comes with racing. Drifting is controlled crashing, most of the time.
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Old 07-05-2005, 07:33 PM   #23
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Re: 300ZX Drifting Downfalls?

truth is who knows???

nothing is problem for it. It can all be modified. Weight, blah. steering angle, blah. Hicas, blah. A sponsored drift team can take car of all of that if they wanted to. But that is a good realization, i never really noticed that they're never used. There kind of the underdog(in popularity) in alot of stuff arnt they.
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Old 07-05-2005, 07:45 PM   #24
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Re: Re: Re: 300ZX Drifting Downfalls?

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Well there is the most educated thing I've ever read.
It might be stupid, but it's obviously true.

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Well no matter how much money the top drift stars make now they started at the bottom. And if you've been drifting the same car for years you know what it can and can't do and how it will respond to changes in tires, suspension and power. You also have to remember that S13s, S14s, AE86s and the like are very popular with those don't get paid big money to drift. Being a big time star driving the same car as their auidence wins fans I would imagine.
And that's why there's an S2000 with a rebuilt steering rack, a G35, a Mustang, 2 Vipers and a GTO, I see the fans drift these cars everyday and these are the cars that the drivers drove when they were living off instant noodles and using there last few dollars for gas and tires when hadn't even eaten in the last 2 days. Not.

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There is still the fact that buying and repairing a Z32 is going to cost alot more than a 180sx.
Again, buying and fixing up a G35, Viper, GTO, RX-7, Supra, S2000 or 350Z will be as much or more then a 300ZX, so money is once again, not an issue!
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Old 07-05-2005, 08:04 PM   #25
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Re: Re: Re: Re: 300ZX Drifting Downfalls?

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It might be stupid, but it's obviously true.
Now you are stealing a page from the same logic that stated the world was flat for thousands of years. I would like you to point out anything about any car that makes it "undriftable", barring front wheel drive perhaps. As for why it is not popular for drifting I can imagine that being specifically designed to keep the tires planted would be an ass-backward place to start when trying to keep them loose. The fact other cars loose their composure far quicker hardly translates into the Z being gimped.

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And that's why there's an S2000 with a rebuilt steering rack, a G35, a Mustang, 2 Vipers and a GTO, I see the fans drift these cars everyday and these are the cars that the drivers drove when they were living off instant noodles and using there last few dollars for gas and tires when hadn't even eaten in the last 2 days. Not. Again, buying and fixing up a G35, Viper, GTO, RX-7, Supra, S2000 or 350Z will be as much or more then a 300ZX, so money is once again, not an issue!
Partially correct. Money is not an issue for those who can afford those cars. For the guys who are just barely affording a S13, all of the above are out of their price range.
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Old 07-05-2005, 08:21 PM   #26
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Re: 300ZX Drifting Downfalls?

it maybe out of there price range, but thats irrelavent. Because even the sponsored teams dont use them. I dont think anyone is really talking about the average joe who owns a 300zx anyway. I think the main point is that not even sponsored teams use them either. There must be a reason??
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Because as stated:

It was specifically designed to keep both front and rear tires going in more or less the same direction.

Other cars weren't.

Other cars have greater status among fans.

Other cars have greater status for being easier to drift, the first to be drifted, etc and so on.

If you are looking for something along the lines of:

"The 300ZXs tie rod is of insufficent length to drift."

then you will be coming up empty handed.
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Old 07-05-2005, 09:36 PM   #28
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 300ZX Drifting Downfalls?

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As for why it is not popular for drifting I can imagine that being specifically designed to keep the tires planted would be an ass-backward place to start when trying to keep them loose. The fact other cars loose their composure far quicker hardly translates into the Z being gimped.
since when is the Z the king of grip? ive seen Z's that have no problem getting loose around corners and Z's that keep up with Evo's through mountain roads. good cars but i dont see what would hold people back from drifting them. but if somehow it was extra hard to get the tires loose then i dont think the sponsors would have any trouble adding enough power to make it easy. i think it has to be some other reason than their construction. probably just if people want a nissan they go for a s13 or 14
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Old 07-05-2005, 10:05 PM   #29
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Re: 300ZX Drifting Downfalls?

Basically, it's "who the fuck cares."
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Re: 300ZX Drifting Downfalls?

Z32 and a 240sx?

let's say you did a sr swap and the same amount of weight reduction to both cars....

240sx would still be superior... cost, wheelbase, weight, etc...

plus the Z32 is shorter and wider compared to the 240... hence, hard to control drifts and less maneuverability.
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